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Because I believe picking inferior players is a travesty, I need to grow up... sure
Seems you have a problem with people having opinions on an internet forum...
1. I do want to see him feature in the first team;
2. I do want to see him extend his contract;
3. I do understand that he would be reluctant to do (2) unless (1) happens.
That said, he could play regularly (and play well), doesn't necessarily mean he would commit his future. It might just help him attract more suitors.
Obviously we shouldn't avoid playing him because of this. Just saying he could leave either way, and we might want to be emotionally prepared (and not get too attached).
2. I do want to see him extend his contract;
3. I do understand that he would be reluctant to do (2) unless (1) happens.
That said, he could play regularly (and play well), doesn't necessarily mean he would commit his future. It might just help him attract more suitors.
Obviously we shouldn't avoid playing him because of this. Just saying he could leave either way, and we might want to be emotionally prepared (and not get too attached).
I have a problem with stupid opinions whether they are on a forum or not.
Gomes not playing in the first game of the season instead of experienced players against Chelsea is not a fecking travesty. It's sensible to break him in as the season goes on.
It will be a travesty if he doesn't get a chance all season and moves on to another club. Gomes' talent is easy for anyone to see - as if Ole and Butt are just going to ignore it.
Christ alive.
I think people need to also temper their expectations around when he'll get minutes. I don't see him getting any Premier League minutes until the Christmas period. He'll still make appearances in the cups and Europa league and thats fine for now. Its how he performs in that period around Christmas when we have 5 games in 10 or something mad like that that'll determine if he ends the season firmly in first team contention or not. If he does I expect he'll sign, if not, he'll leave. At least that's what I'd do if I were him.
He had a very good game vs Tottenham and then was ignored in the next two games.
So I don't really know what Ole is thinking.
So I don't really know what Ole is thinking.
Young players tend to have a bit more energy than older ones, so it could be that he didn't need as many games to reach full fitness as some of the other players. But I agree, there is some uncertainty as to what the plans are for Gomes, and it is concerning given I think he is in the last year of his contract.
OGS has done this before. He knows that we have a soft spot for giving the youth a chance especially the ones that have been doing well in the youth. And he has not given a chance only when it was pointless.
We would of had a chance with top 4 if he had the balls to play the youth and not the deadwood.
Would be a star player for that team and we would be requiring a player like him.I have a feeling if he plays for the under 23s or is on our bench we are going to see quite a bit of him next year in someone else's first team
It's going to be very frustrating if the Mata, Lingard, Young and Matic are given the minutes that should be given to Gomes, Greenwood, Dalot and McTominay this season.
I'm sure McTominay will get the minutes, and likely Greenwood too. Can't speak for Gomes
I'm concerned that if he doesn't get enough first team minutes he will go. Do you think he will sign a new contract if he is in the U23s this season?
Yep, I think he can make a real impact for us, but for some reason he was given less time than the other youngsters on tour, then he played in that u23 game where he was absolutely outstanding while Greenwood, who he is also exceptionally talented btw, trained with the 1st team, the u23s are playing tomorrow so let's see who is in that squad. I had no issue with us not signing more players based on the ability of Greenwood and Gomes IF they are involved regularly, and I don't mean league cup, I mean PL games. The thought of watching Mata snailing about the place during games while Gomes can light it up and is not playing is frustrating, however let's see, he is in the last year of his contract, perhaps he is being difficult signing a new contract and Ole is giving him a taste here and there, but tbh his attitude and performance were spot on on the tour and the recent u23 game, he seemed very motivated.
The idea that 3 or 4 of those young players can come into a weak team and transform us into a top 4 team is far fetched imo. However Ole will get much more slack for giving them game time that continuing to play and struggle with Mata, Lingard and Young.
He is head and shoulders above everyone in the u23 and he knows it. If we don’t give him a fair chance then he is off.
I get the Pogba feeling, we would only give him minutes when it’s too late.
Not really that far fetched when those played 2 games out of the last 12 games.
The young player plays with more tenacity, flair, and confidence. Which is what we need not players like Lingard who is technically inferior or Mata who is physically inferior.
His deals up next summer
Fair point. If it took him a season in the U23s to sign a new contract, I would take that. I'll be happy with whatever it takes to get him to sign.
I really hope the last part you mentioned in bold doesn't happen as that is something I would truly dread.
Thanks.
I think Gomes getting consistent minutes on loan would have been the preferable outcome for this season. There's Mata, Sanchez and Lingard ahead of him vying for the no. 10 role. It's no exaggeration to predict that Gomes will struggle for minutes this season, even taking into consideration Solskjaer's propensity to fielding young players.
It obviously benefits him training with the first team, however, but he needs serious minutes on the field. He's now 19, and whilst that by no means makes him old, he is at an age where he's ready for more minutes at a higher level., regardless of any perceived physical shortcomings.
It obviously benefits him training with the first team, however, but he needs serious minutes on the field. He's now 19, and whilst that by no means makes him old, he is at an age where he's ready for more minutes at a higher level., regardless of any perceived physical shortcomings.
I think by the end of the season he'll easily work his way ahead of Mata and be seriously pushing for a starting spot. Greenwood will also work his way into the starting 11 IMO. But it'll be hist first season at this level so it makes sense to ease him into it, and with Europa league, plenty of games to go around.
Seriously? If he leaves it’ll be on him. But he loves the club and needs to prove he’s a worthy starter. Can’t believe how silly people are being about him leaving, so many just buy into the leaving hype.
Hopefully when he gets minutes he performs well because the squad is so bear we will need everyone to be at their best. Hope it's not a case where he struggles in a struggling team and therefore doesn't get many opportunities and as a result leaves. Unfortunately I can see United being pretty in final third this season and hopefully he isn't a casualty at the end of season because of it. Would be so much handier if it was a type of foden situation where he has quality around him and get be eased into league games and get plenty of minutes in EL and cups.
First few games will set the tone. If you're that impressive in pre season you deserve to be in the squad every game of the start of the season. Let's hope he is and Ole utilises him. Both our Uber talented kids look ready to play their part and we should make use of this opportunity to help them and the collective grow.
Caf told me that Pereira would leave since he's 18.
Now Andreas's still here, and they claim he is not good enough anyway.
Just an example.
I had decent hopes for him at least being a squad player. He is there or therabouts. Time has shown he hasn't been that good overall.
It might be the same case for Gomes. But at this time he deserves playtime. Do you disagree?
I was hopeful about Pereira, felt he needed gametime on loan which he got. Ultimately likely not good enough.
I am hopeful about Gomes, feel he needs gametime but with us. Again ultimately may not be good enough. Time will tell.
Might become a key player in nr. 10 if we go with 4-2-3-1. This season we play him a lot or we loose him imo.
Without any extra signings he’ll play. Probably not right away in the Premier League, but with so many cup games we’re going to need to rotate heavily. Look at what happened at the end of past year.
Do you think if we were to send him out on loan rather than give him some first team minutes, might influence his decision one way or the other when it comes to signing his new contract?
I think the way our central areas are lookng right now with the creative burden falling on Pogba, we need this kid to be given a chance by Ole. Technically he's probably the best player amongst our whole squad. I hope he's at least part of the squad against Chelsea because that will show us that Ole has faith in him.
The potential that a Gomes playing at #10 with Pogba just behind could be devastating against teams who defend in numbers. The potential to create and control games is there with both Gomes and Pogba and I'm hoping/praying to see it come together sooner rather than later.
The potential that a Gomes playing at #10 with Pogba just behind could be devastating against teams who defend in numbers. The potential to create and control games is there with both Gomes and Pogba and I'm hoping/praying to see it come together sooner rather than later.
There's an U23 game tonight, if he isn't playing he'll be in the squad for Sunday.
I’d LOVE him to be involved in Sunday. But he won’t be in the 18. I don’t even think we’ll start Greenwood. I think we’ll play Mata and Lingard with Rashford behind Martial.
Prepare to be disappointed.
Tbh Gomes already looks better than Andreas has ever looked. And he’s 5 years younger. Gomes close control is exceptional. Some of the best I’ve seen. Both he and Greenwood need to get 20 odd games this season, in which case I think they’ll become starters.
Where Pereira first joined he was rated as one of the best in the world in his position for his age. There are some highlight videos of some of his games with Belgium and he was pretty much a complete midfielder with an extra high skill level and two footed.
It's weird because his touch and close control back then was Gomes-esque but that seems to have deserted him now, perhaps it's the speed of the game at senior level.
I remember watching that video and being really excited about his potential. He was also excellent in us winning the Milk Cup in NI.
But after watching him for a full season in the academy and watching Gomes. Gomes's first touch and technique is noticeably of a higher level.
Depends on how it's dealt with at the time I guess. If we told him it was a one year thing to get him a years experience as a starter and offer him an extension before coming back? Might be able to sell that.
Personally I would just keep him in the first team squad and on our bench. He's good enough and would also create a bit of optimism which is needed right now.
If Ole really is here as the long term plan he should get our talented youngsters involved asap while he has credit in the bank as a popular ex player and fans are still pissed about the transfer window. He's obviously not going to get a ton of support via signings.
Yeah, with Gomes it's almost like the ball is glued to his feet at times. Literally.
I don't think Gomes will leave. There is a clear pathway to the first team for him right now and he has the opportunity to almost pick and choose his own moments, all the while being tutored by one of the best and most accomplished players in his position (Juan Mata). I would be surprised if he does choose to leave.
I don't think Gomes will leave. There is a clear pathway to the first team for him right now and he has the opportunity to almost pick and choose his own moments, all the while being tutored by one of the best and most accomplished players in his position (Juan Mata). I would be surprised if he does choose to leave.
Pictured with the rest of the first team going for the bonding meal last night, let's hope he gets the minutes now.
Your bit in bold would be a brilliant scenario if we could pull it off, he'd come back more experienced and hopefully sable to slip in as a regular starter.
I agree on your second point as I think we would have more chance of keeping him, we need to make him feel valued and do whatever we can to keep him.
I think that Woody hasn't backed Ole as well as he should have in this market as he is banking on our youngsters doing well. This may or may not happen. I really hope that it does but I feel we shouldn't put to much pressure on them to perform regularly in their first proper season of professional football.
I think instead of giving them the time to learn, make mistakes and develop, they will be scrutinised at every opportunity and I hope they don't get unnecessary stick for it. That is why it is easier blooding youngsters into settled team with strong characters to absorb the pressure from the young players if they are in a bit of bad form or having a bad game, the class of 92 had the privilege of having people like Cantona, Ince, Hughes and Schmeichel, to take the pressure when needed.
All our youngsters may go on to have decent carreers here or elsewhere but I don't think it will be good for their development if we put too much pressure on them to perform regularly at this stage of their careers.
Very good point. Its also why players like Brown, Fletcher, O'Shea etc became such valuable squad players. Its a lot easier to drop the odd young player into a good side.
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