I missed some of the first half but it's fair if say he rated Young as a 4/10 and di Maria as a 3/10.
I agree that Young has not been good. However even despite this Di Maria isn't even showing enough to justifying an out of form Young
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I agree that Young has not been good. However even despite this Di Maria isn't even showing enough to justifying an out of form Young
Of course not. Did anyone coming off the bench make a case for starting ahead of them?
That's the killer. You want competition for places. Not replacing shite with shite, in case they might be a different kind of shite. The most expensive player in the history of top flight English footba and the best reason we can find to start him
is because he, hopefully, can't be any worse than the present incumbent? That's a diabolical state of affairs to find ourselves in.
Some will disagree with me, but I think we should cash in on him whilst we can, before we lose out on too much money. He's never been a great winger. His best season came as a centre midfielder (LCM) and unless Van Gaal is looking to play him there next season, then I see no point in keeping him.
40M from PSG and go all out to sign Bale or Reus.
40M from PSG and go all out to sign Bale or Reus.
He just needs (like most of our attacking players) to be allowed to do his own thing in the final third rather than have his every movement micro managed by LVG.
Our slow, languid build up approach does not suit ADM at all.
This guy would have been legendary under Ferguson.
Our slow, languid build up approach does not suit ADM at all.
This guy would have been legendary under Ferguson.
PSG's attempt will be the second in as many summer transfer windows. There is someone over there who is willing to pay the fee and feel a need for a Di Maria. Of course, I also think this is where Cavani will be shipped off first (and hopefully not to us). For Pogba, I don't think he would leave Juventus nor PSG would have any room for him unless they get rid of someone among their midfielders first.
I dunno how much RM would ask us for Bale, but I would also keep both eyes open on Marco Reus if we can fully take advantage of the disintegrating Borussia Dortmund following Klopp's departure.
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Stop trying to change the argument, we aren't arguing about a great performance, we are comparing Young's "ok" performance to Di Maria's "ok" performance, Young was better today and Young wasn't really at his best, the whole team was shit...Di Maria on the other hand did nothing in 30 minutes to warrant a starting place, it is quite sad that you cant make a case for our Star Man/WC player being significantly better than members of our slightly below average squad.
But yeah lets scrape the barrel to make a case for Di Maria - pathetic.
You did well then, buddy. That first half was so incredibly boring. We were really poor; everyone was. Given the different circumstances for the players, Young should be performing better than di Maria, but he's not. The fact that di Maria managed to create as many chances as Young illustrates that their performances were quite similar.
Possession is pointless if ya cant make goals from it. The opposition have cracked the LVG system, just put men behind the ball and United cant deal with it.
It doesn't matter when it happened, Herrera and Mata both made magic happen from the bench and deserved to start when they did, Di Maria on the other hand hasn't done anything spectacular in 7 months and has been terrible from the bench which has left the campaign for him to start relatively weak, the only reason Di Maria doesn't deserve to start, he should though as the others have done feck all.
We are definitely not getting 40m for Di Maria.
Not really today, but generally I think he has, yes.
I also think he'd benefit from a run in the team and from the confidence that comes from starting games. It's a bit of a chicken & egg situation in that he needs that belief before we'll see the best of him and 30 mins from the bench isn't going to lead to that.
We had the same problem with Nani, he showed that a run in the team would reap rewards but people would have no patience and spit their dummies out after lacklustre sub showings.
Sometimes players need more than cameos to shown their worth.
We paid 37M for Mata when he wasn't playing for Chelsea.
In di Maria's ok performance he managed to take a corner and have it reach a player. Young, on the other hand, failed to take one successful corner. Young also had 3 shots, all off target; di Maria had 1 shot, 1 shot on target. Young played 90 minutes and di Maria played 30 minutes, yet their productivity was the same. With regards to possession, Young had a 90% PA compared to di Maria's 81%, however, I don't care for high possession stats, as we've held 70%, 65% and 80%, respectively, in our last three games and not scored a goal. But yeah lets bang on about how di Maria gave the ball away more than everyone else, because that's what cost us the game.
Thats the United way.
Think it a bit complex with Di Maria. The fee we paid for him was simply too much, PL seems to be physical for him at the moment and he was rightly dropped. We're a better team without him on the pitch, Young has done very well since he came into the team and that has led to Di Maria being sidelined, which seems to have destroyed his confidence. To top it off, him and his family are rumoured to be having issues settling into Manchester.
He's a good player but I don't think our playing style will suit him and so far it seems PL isn't the right league for him. If PSG come in for him then I would let him go. Sometimes it happens, some players don't work out in one team while they do well for another team in a different league.
Shame really, I was very happy when we got him.
He's a good player but I don't think our playing style will suit him and so far it seems PL isn't the right league for him. If PSG come in for him then I would let him go. Sometimes it happens, some players don't work out in one team while they do well for another team in a different league.
Shame really, I was very happy when we got him.
Christ the hatred thats appeared in this thread.
Go to threadmarks, click Man United vs QPR 4-0 and read the page below it.
The contrast is bigger than Falcaos.
I feel ADM is not suited to the EPL now, either that or he is a mercenary.
Go to threadmarks, click Man United vs QPR 4-0 and read the page below it.
The contrast is bigger than Falcaos.
I feel ADM is not suited to the EPL now, either that or he is a mercenary.
The club won't sell him after just one season for less than £50 million.
Were the crowd giving it to him today during the match? I thought I heard a few unpleasant words
Also this.
True.
HOORAY!
The stats people will bring up to make a case for Di Maria against Hazard? no , Sanchez? no, Fabregas? no.....surely Jordan Henderson? no ....Ashley Young.
Pathetic!
Then i guess we're stuck with him.
Depressing as it may sound, it was also our best most clear cut chance of the game (apart from the penalty). Pity it fell to Mcnair.
No pathetic is the performance I've just witnessed from our team. And pathetic is the garbage I've read in this thread.
He was overpriced, he can't really play in the position that he thrived in last year, his overall style doesn't seem a natural fit for LVG's philosophy, he had a difficult time settling in to England and his confidence looks seriously shook.
Both he and LVG will have to do an immense amount of work in the summer to stop this being a disastrous signing. If either party isn't up for it then selling him isn't unlikely....
Both he and LVG will have to do an immense amount of work in the summer to stop this being a disastrous signing. If either party isn't up for it then selling him isn't unlikely....
If we are lucky Martino doesn't select him this summer.
Wasteful today, and too often this season. Annoying thing was that he didn't seem too bothered to have wasted the chances today. I know I want to see a bit of emotion when chasing the game.
Pathetic is you bringing up a stat like
To defend a player that broke the British Transfer record against a player like Ashley Young who seems to be working his ass off for a team that he shouldn't even still be in, Ashley Young is not the future....Di Maria is, i could give a feck about a bad game from Ashley Young but a bad game where he looked more dangerous than Di Maria? that is rock bottom.
He actually came the closest to scoring too with that shot. He was actually more dangerous than Ashley Young in terms of end product which is why I think we should play him into form.
Goodness me he was so bad today. I'm a big Di Maria fan but that was an embarrassing performance. I really wanted him to start today but I'm not even sure what I want after that.
When we were winning (in our previous games) and he came on, the argument was that he was coming on, after the game was won and we didnt want/need to score.
Now you are saying its tough for him to come on, when we need to score?
You cant have it both ways.
In any case, today, I think he played well. I'm not a fan of his, but when he came on, he was taking pop shots on goal and pinging the ball into the penalty area. It is our strikers which need to deal with the ball, once it arrives in the penalty box. Before he came on, we were stroking the ball across the penalty box and making very little attempt to shoot. In the first half, Mata did almost 100% back/side passes, which was reason enough to have taken him off, but LVG was happy as it maintained possession. Di Maria came on and immediately wanted to push the ball forward and made shooting attempts.
With the exception of RVP and Di Maria, today, our entire team was too careful (to maintain possession). Rather than shoot - they chose to back/side pass.
In contrast, the moment WBA got the ball, they headed for our goal, which automatically caused us problems (they either got a free kick or a corner). No defender likes to see the ball coming towards their own goal at speed.
Pathetic is the fact that the stat exists.
I defend him because I see past the stupid fee. I also know what it's like to be involved in an incident similar to his. Something similar happened to be and completely screwed up my undergrad, without me even realising. His confidence must be down the drain, and he's obviously aware given the grunting from our fans when he kept failing at his crosses.
People never seem to learn. The same happened with Fellaini, Young, Vidic, Evra and several (probably hundreds) other players. They all struggled to cope with the league and/or the team. di Maria is suffering from something similar, but because you spent £60m on him, why should he be afforded time, right?
Still maintain that the fans are actually going easy on him.
But wait................he came closet to putting the ball in the net and created our clearest chance for McNair...........did he not?
The only good games he's played for us were his first three. He's been crap ever since, though he has at least been providing assists. Today was the worst of the lot though.
I will admit that I was a great believer in high possession football, but after having 80% possession (almost a record) and scoring zero goals, I have come to the conclusion that possession football just doesnt work in the EPL.
Especially when Chelsea (best team in the country) were comfortable/happy with 30% possession and won the game.
... Compare this thread to others. He's pretty much the main culprit for the loss.
Exactly, Chelsea 30%, Everton 35% and WBA 25% yet all beat us. I don't care if it was by luck or not. Ironically, against Spurs, Pool and City we had 52%, 58% and 58, respectively; all lower than in our last three games, yet managed to win all three. Key was we seemed to be taking a few more risks. Now we seem to be content with holding the ball and doing nothing with it.
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Do you actually blame the fans for coming to vent on his thread after expecting so much? but yeah its only on this thread, the media hasnt exactly pounced on him unlike Ozil and he isn't getting any stick anywhere else.
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