You would still be scrabbling for anything to downplay them even if they were 1 point off the top.
They have had a decent season so far all thing considered, amusing people find it so hard to accept that
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They have had a decent season so far all thing considered, amusing people find it so hard to accept that
You don't have to defend him. He's not going to be your mate.
Good post.
I thought 5th would have been a great season for Spurs before a ball was kicked in August. And it still would be.
They lost arguably their best ever player (Kane) during the summer and came into this season with their 2nd best player (Son) having the worst season of his career at Spurs.
I feared for them in the goals department, but they've managed okay.
Ange has been able to get 14 goals from 26 games out of Son, which is what he scored from 47 games last season. Richarlison went from a dire 3 goals under Conte to a respectable 11 goals so far this season.
They do lack depth. The likes of Dier, Sessegnon, Skipp, Gill and Scarlett aren't good enough. And I'd argue that Emerson and Hojbjerg aren't good fits for his style of play either, but have been needed for this season. Bringing in Dragusin in January should help boost their CB depth in the long term. You could see how they missed van de Ven today.
We, United, were miles ahead of them last season. Our manager has had 2 full pre-seasons and brought in more signings to add to last season's squad, yet here we are battling it out with Spurs. I don't think any honest fan would have thought we'd be battling it out with Villa and Spurs for 4th/5th.
Stack: Accuses others of "scrabbling for anything"
Also Stack: Makes up hypothetical in which Spurs are serious title challengers
Lost the best striker in the league and they’re still above us and play better football than us. Giving them shit is incredibly small time.
Can we do it if they finish the season below us please?
Sure, but it’s probably where they should be finishing all things considered. We spent a silly amount of money and were supposed to kick on, they lost their best players and are still a better team than we are.
I think a lot of fans would have predicted some sort of battle for 4th.
I don't think people expected us to be fighting from underneath, but I'm not sure why it matters that it's Villa and Spurs we're fighting with, and not, for example, Newcastle and Chelsea.
I have never once said they were title contenders, I have never once claimed they have had a great season.
The imaginary voices in your head telling you things peopole are saying have taken over control.
Didn't enjoy Liverpool failing in their bid for a quadruple the other year then?
Or Gerrard's slip in 2013/14?
Lost their best striker and still won feck all
hahahahaha perfect
I didn't say you had claimed they were title contenders. I said you made up a hypothetical in which they were. Which you did:
I also didn't say that you had claimed their season as great.
Looks like "The imaginary voices in your head telling you things people are saying have taken over control."
Wenger sold his best players every season (e.g., Henry, Fabregas, RvP, Nasri), replaced them with freebies from the French league (e.g., Chamakh and Squillaci) and still managed to get 4th. He was criticised for it.
They've sold Kane and replaced him with 250+ mn worth of players. They are in the same position as they were last season at this point, 5th and have won nothing. Not really sure how this is being heralded as some achievement.
Every opponent is downplayed here.
Spurs have some excellent players and looking at player for player, i dont find it that strange that Spurs is above Manchester United. Spurs have one of the best players in the league with Son. They have Bentacur on the bench, a midfielder who could very well be a starter for Manchester United. They bought an excellent goalkeeper. Romero is a world cup winner and good defender. Van de Ven looks like a future world class defender if injuries dont hold him back. Maddison is an excellent player too. Add Bissouma (excellent before his transfer and now back after Conte wasted part of his career), Sarr and Udogie and you have a strong first eleven.
Spurs arent near the quality of Arsenal, City and Liverpool but they should be among the teams fighting for fourth place. Spurs just started their Ange project though so i dont think they are doing too bad. Just ups and downs and injuries. Not that different from Manchester United.
I didnt make up a hypothetical where they were title contenders. Please quote that.
Good grief man....
I get that. But if they finish below a team who started the season with Martial as their main striker, and finished it with Lindelof as their left back then I still think there is plenty to laugh at
Do you know what a hypothetical is?
I already quoted it to you. Here it is again. I have bolded it for emphasis and deleted the other bit, as not to confuse you.
It is a hypothetical precisely because they are not "1 point off the top", but are, in fact 11 points off top, and 2 points off 4th, having just been battered by Fulham to squander their game in hand.
You made up this hypothetical to try and make a point because you seem to believe people would be equally as critical if they were challenging for the title.
Do you understand?
Oh good lord, that was in response to some absolute idiocy, it was sarcasm.... failed comprehension at school didnt you.
1) I'm quite clearly messing with you. I would have thought someone so well versed in comprehension would have picked up on that. The post was literally a meme format.
2) Do you know what sarcasm is and how it is generally used? People tend not to be sarcastic when saying things they actually mean. Am I to assume, given you were being sarcastic, that you don't actually think people are "scrabbling" to find criticisms of Big Spurs Mate, and that by extension, you think their points are valid?
Pitiful
This. Tribalism is part and parcel of being a football fan. If I couldn't laugh at other clubs unless United were having a successful season then these last 10 years would've been even more depressing.
Ange ball.
Cringe.
Cringe.
They are going to be on the end of a few absolute hammerings if they make the CL. It’s brave until it’s naive.
Man United lose to Fulham with the match winner scored in the 7th minute of added time, the media and pundits had a field day about that result.
Tottenham lose 3-0 to Fulham next to nothing said by the same media and pundits sure big Ange is a great fella.
Tottenham lose 3-0 to Fulham next to nothing said by the same media and pundits sure big Ange is a great fella.
I think its not just that Ange's gung ho tactical approach is a bit naive, the team is often really poorly positioned and organized.
Look at the second goal Fulham scored, beginning with the ball coming into play on a throw around mid field (best angle on this is around 6:44 on this highlight video).
-Their defensive shape/organization on the throw is terrible. They're playing 4v2 down the line but only 2v3 in the immediate vicinity of the throw, so the ball comes in to an unmarked player with ease.
- Even more bizarre, on the throw in they also have three forwards (actually two forwards plus Maddison) pressed high up against the Fulham defensive line and absolutely nobody anywhere near the middle of the pitch, so that the Fulham player receiving the throw can easily turn and spot a player in acres of space. Where is the midfield? He then quickly moves the ball to Iwobi on the RW and trouble is really brewing.
- Udogie moves to cover this threat, and instead of seeking to delay the transition to allow the rest of the defense to fall back into shape, decides to aggressively attempt a poor tackle and whiffs. Meanwhile Brennan Johnson has no idea whether to track Castagne on the outside or step up on Iwobi and does neither.
- At this point, Castagne is overlapping and the ball to play him in is relatively simple, so the best hope is to catch him offsides but the defensive line is a total shambles. Dragusin and Romero are at completely different depths and Romero is playing Castagne onside by miles.
-Dragusin moves out to block the cross but far too late to get involved, Bissouma isn't alert to the danger and only halfheartedly tracks the man he left, and the Fulham player has a completely free swing at a near post cross six yards out.
This is the kind of sequence that is 100% on the manager. There is no way your team should be set up the way they were off this throw in. And then the players looked like they had no idea what to do during a defensive transition.
Look at the second goal Fulham scored, beginning with the ball coming into play on a throw around mid field (best angle on this is around 6:44 on this highlight video).
-Their defensive shape/organization on the throw is terrible. They're playing 4v2 down the line but only 2v3 in the immediate vicinity of the throw, so the ball comes in to an unmarked player with ease.
- Even more bizarre, on the throw in they also have three forwards (actually two forwards plus Maddison) pressed high up against the Fulham defensive line and absolutely nobody anywhere near the middle of the pitch, so that the Fulham player receiving the throw can easily turn and spot a player in acres of space. Where is the midfield? He then quickly moves the ball to Iwobi on the RW and trouble is really brewing.
- Udogie moves to cover this threat, and instead of seeking to delay the transition to allow the rest of the defense to fall back into shape, decides to aggressively attempt a poor tackle and whiffs. Meanwhile Brennan Johnson has no idea whether to track Castagne on the outside or step up on Iwobi and does neither.
- At this point, Castagne is overlapping and the ball to play him in is relatively simple, so the best hope is to catch him offsides but the defensive line is a total shambles. Dragusin and Romero are at completely different depths and Romero is playing Castagne onside by miles.
-Dragusin moves out to block the cross but far too late to get involved, Bissouma isn't alert to the danger and only halfheartedly tracks the man he left, and the Fulham player has a completely free swing at a near post cross six yards out.
This is the kind of sequence that is 100% on the manager. There is no way your team should be set up the way they were off this throw in. And then the players looked like they had no idea what to do during a defensive transition.
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I still can’t fathom why people blow smoke up the guys arse. There’s a reason his Celtic sides were embarrassed in Europe and it’s because of that stubborn attitude to always going all out attack. It’s fine if you have a far stronger squad than everyone else in your league, otherwise it won’t put trophies in the cabinet.
We're talking about collective. Spurs arent going to win anything or expected to win anything. Believing in your approach and winning 65% out of 100% while playing good football is better than being pragmatic and still losing 35%.
It's abit ironic laughing at him considering where we are at the moment
Has he really 'improved' Spurs, though? They'll still win nothing again and they're still in and around the top 4, but no one will really be surprised if they don't make the top 4 at the end of the season.
That's basically Spurs, as long as I can remember.
That's basically Spurs, as long as I can remember.
Don't understand why so many people seem so bitter about Ange and Spurs.
By all accounts a great guy who's grafted his way to the top all the way from a footballing backwater. More than what can be said of most of his peers.
And yes Spurs won't win much but when have they ever? They historically aren't a huge club and don't have state money. Without either of which you really can't win anything in football anymore.
By all accounts a great guy who's grafted his way to the top all the way from a footballing backwater. More than what can be said of most of his peers.
And yes Spurs won't win much but when have they ever? They historically aren't a huge club and don't have state money. Without either of which you really can't win anything in football anymore.
He took over a team that finished 8th, lost one of the best strikers in the world and looks to be on track to finish 4th or 5th.
Harsh to say he hasn’t improved them.
I think he's done well for his first season but he's been helped by inheriting players and signing players like Va de Ven who allow him to sacrifice defensive stability for goals. Having CBs and midfielders who eat up ground quickly will allow you to build a fairly strong foundation at the back which will then allow you to overload the opponent's half in a higher line. And without a key player like Van de Ven who was absent yesterday, it exposed Spurs even more in defensive transition. I think if United hadn't suffered injuries to key players like Martinez, Mainoo and Shaw who missed large parts of the season along with Rasmus Hojlund who we didn't have for preseason and the start of the season, I feel we'd be comfortably ahead of Spurs imo.
I think the next step for Spurs with their manager should be to add more control in possession by signing one or two players who will help dictate the game a bit more by not always going vertical in possession, which could improve their ability to handle quick transitions.
I think the next step for Spurs with their manager should be to add more control in possession by signing one or two players who will help dictate the game a bit more by not always going vertical in possession, which could improve their ability to handle quick transitions.
Exactly as I see it tbh. I enjoy watching them these days, which is more than you can say about them under Conte.
Lost Kane and spent over 200 million on shite it is what it is
He's had to deal with a lot of injuries this season. It's not his fault they lost to Fulham
So when Ange has to deal with lots of injuries it's not his fault, but when Eric has to deal with a lot of injuries, he's a fraud.
When Son has a shit season, this excuses Ange, but when Rashford has shit season, Eric is a fraud.
And all that because he plays high line.
Incredible.
When Son has a shit season, this excuses Ange, but when Rashford has shit season, Eric is a fraud.
And all that because he plays high line.
Incredible.
Good post. I think he did very good job at Spurs.
This whole idea that this guy (or for that matter any other inexperienced manager) would come to United and make us top class based on 8 months is a funny thing. I will tell you the way he sets up, he would have been eaten alive by the media and same fans who call for manager's head after 12 months.
Let him enjoy his work at spurs, less pressure and more time to build. He has done a decent job this season.
Let him enjoy his work at spurs, less pressure and more time to build. He has done a decent job this season.
Doing a good job so far, regardless. Spurs were just horrific last season. Their summer window will be interesting to see, and next season won't be a freebie for him. He will be expected to deliver according to their ambitions.