If this were Casemiro or a United player then this would be life in prison.
Andy Madley
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If this were Casemiro or a United player then this would be life in prison.
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Struggling to think of the last game I watched where a ref so blatantly favoured one side over the other. Usually when people say this on here (like with Oliver) it just comes across as nonsense to me, but by 20 minutes I was waiting for the red card/dodgy penalty because it seemed entirely obvious that he was looking for a chance to give one or the other (or both as it turned out).
When you are watching a game with the full expectancy of the person refereeing to make a terrible decision, that is not good. Questions need to be asked of why that person is a referee. When you also already know which team its going to be in favour of, then it rules out it being by accident.
Its pointless having this debate about how silly the notion a referee might cheat or not be impartial is. One of them got sacked this season for fecking filming himself voicing his dislike of a specific team, specifically in relation to refereeing them, and being off his face on drugs whle refereeing at a major international tournament...yet we are to believe someone that dumb would be above being biased. Even though the ONLY reason he was sacked is because the video got put on social media. Nothing to do with the officiating standards finding him out.
When you are watching a game with the full expectancy of the person refereeing to make a terrible decision, that is not good. Questions need to be asked of why that person is a referee. When you also already know which team its going to be in favour of, then it rules out it being by accident.
Its pointless having this debate about how silly the notion a referee might cheat or not be impartial is. One of them got sacked this season for fecking filming himself voicing his dislike of a specific team, specifically in relation to refereeing them, and being off his face on drugs whle refereeing at a major international tournament...yet we are to believe someone that dumb would be above being biased. Even though the ONLY reason he was sacked is because the video got put on social media. Nothing to do with the officiating standards finding him out.
Burnley fan here, I thought Madley was abject today. The penalty decision was disgraceful. There were inconsistencies with kicking the ball away. After Mainoo's card, I counted two Arsenal players doing similar within 15 minutes. There was some pretty dodgy stuff from Arsenal players in the Maguire rage response. Quite a lot of the"fouls" given against were clearly fine. I thought Dalot's was pretty harsh as well. The reaction of the bench won that.
I have read elsewhere that there is anti-United sentiment in PGMOL. I would not go there. I would say that Arteta's antics and Arsenal's antics in general definitely get favourable outcomes. We've had offside goals and hand balls during the scoring of goals against them. They are up there with Brighton and Citeh for favourable referee treatment. I thought your players should have gone old school Fergie and surrounded him on a few of the bad calls, I think he would have folded.
However, it could be worse, you could experience Andy Davies or Tom Neild.
I have read elsewhere that there is anti-United sentiment in PGMOL. I would not go there. I would say that Arteta's antics and Arsenal's antics in general definitely get favourable outcomes. We've had offside goals and hand balls during the scoring of goals against them. They are up there with Brighton and Citeh for favourable referee treatment. I thought your players should have gone old school Fergie and surrounded him on a few of the bad calls, I think he would have folded.
However, it could be worse, you could experience Andy Davies or Tom Neild.
Disaster of a referee. Michael Oliver set a line and apart from a few cock ups, like the yellow to Maguire, he essentially let both sides play football for the majority of the match, which is what you want. Madley had one set of rules for us and one set of rules for Arsenal, the yellow cards for Martinez and Ugarte were a fecking disaster and obviously it has a major impact on how we set up to play. It has such a negative impact on the overall match and it just shows how easy it is for a referee to interfere. A dodgy yellow card to one of the defenders, a dodgy yellow card to midfielders to make sure you play more conservative, job done. The penalty decision is such a monumental feck up, i didn’t have the sound on as i was doing other stuff so initially i just saw the replay of the situation and laughed at the terrible attempt at getting a penalty, then they showed the skirmish and Maguire wanting to tear Havertz a new one and i thought it was a bit weird, then i realized that the miserable fecker of a referee had actually awarded Arsenal a penalty. Madley has an excellent view of the situation where Havertz is already on his way down before he kicks out his left leg to connect with Maguire, it’s not even a good dive, and somehow Madley falls for it.
I rarely bother having a go at a ref. Some good some bad some meh.
But yesterday’s performance from Madley was so poor. Blatantly a homer. He may as well have put on an Arsenal shirt.
Imagine having a brother who (allegedly) shagged his dog and still being the biggest wrong un in the family.
Often when fans go crazy about a refereeing performance it's based on one big wrong decision and some selective memory about how the game was managed in general. Not this time. That was absolutely fecking dreadful. Most biased performance I can remember watching in a long time.
Once he didn't give that free kick for Bruno on the edge of the box, but then booked him for dissent I knew it would be bad. Only explanation for not giving that foul is bias.
Once he didn't give that free kick for Bruno on the edge of the box, but then booked him for dissent I knew it would be bad. Only explanation for not giving that foul is bias.
Andy Madley/Refs things
- Booking Lisandro Martinez because he saw Jesus holding his knee, or his face, or something... but he was definitely holding something so that should be a booking.
- We saw with the Villa/Newcastle Ref Comms that refs don't actually judge incidents based on what they see with their eyes, but by player reactions/what they're holding... and obviously professional footballers are very honest and would never cheat so that makes perfect sense.
- Booking Fernandes because he threw his boot down aggressively... despite the fact that he already threw his boot far more aggressively a few seconds earlier, and in fact the second time he threw it down he had to... you know... but his feckin' boot on due to the fact the he was clearly bloody fouled.
- I swear sometimes Refs do this weird thing where they see something really obvious happen, like a very obvious foul, but then decide, nah, I won't give a free kick for that - it's just too obvious. The same thing happened in the Tamworth vs Spurs game.
- Kobbie Mainoo booked for a cheeky nutmeg and the ball going about 2 yards away to prevent Arsenal from taking a quick free kick. This despite the fact that a) Arsenal spent about 5 hours over every set-piece, so it was delaying literally nothing and b) this happened several times after this, with players holding onto the ball after a foul etc. resulting in no bookings.
- Him being super officious and booking Mainoo for that, yet Havertz can pull someone back while on a yellow, stopping an attack and that's totally fine.
- The penalty fiasco, which didn't even look like a penalty in normal time, so the mental gymnastics he went through to reach that decision must have been something.
- The only genuine surprise I had was that he didn't send off Zirkzee for brushing Gabriel's face with his arm. Figured he'd see that as a nailed on red card.
- Booking Lisandro Martinez because he saw Jesus holding his knee, or his face, or something... but he was definitely holding something so that should be a booking.
- We saw with the Villa/Newcastle Ref Comms that refs don't actually judge incidents based on what they see with their eyes, but by player reactions/what they're holding... and obviously professional footballers are very honest and would never cheat so that makes perfect sense.
- Booking Fernandes because he threw his boot down aggressively... despite the fact that he already threw his boot far more aggressively a few seconds earlier, and in fact the second time he threw it down he had to... you know... but his feckin' boot on due to the fact the he was clearly bloody fouled.
- I swear sometimes Refs do this weird thing where they see something really obvious happen, like a very obvious foul, but then decide, nah, I won't give a free kick for that - it's just too obvious. The same thing happened in the Tamworth vs Spurs game.
- Kobbie Mainoo booked for a cheeky nutmeg and the ball going about 2 yards away to prevent Arsenal from taking a quick free kick. This despite the fact that a) Arsenal spent about 5 hours over every set-piece, so it was delaying literally nothing and b) this happened several times after this, with players holding onto the ball after a foul etc. resulting in no bookings.
- Him being super officious and booking Mainoo for that, yet Havertz can pull someone back while on a yellow, stopping an attack and that's totally fine.
- The penalty fiasco, which didn't even look like a penalty in normal time, so the mental gymnastics he went through to reach that decision must have been something.
- The only genuine surprise I had was that he didn't send off Zirkzee for brushing Gabriel's face with his arm. Figured he'd see that as a nailed on red card.
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That was nothing short of a disgrace.
Every single set piece was like some NFL play that took twice as long as other teams are allowed.
Its been a long long time since a referee has gotten me so wound up during a game.
Arsenal are truly a awful side on many levels.
A part of me wanted them to win the league over City or Liverpool, I think i've changed my mind.
Arsenal are truly a awful side on many levels.
A part of me wanted them to win the league over City or Liverpool, I think i've changed my mind.
Terrible referee. I thought from last season they had instructed refs to allow more physicality in the game and not blow the whistle every time a player threw himself to the floor? Has that gone out the window now because Madley was giving Arsenal players free kicks any time they so much as looked down at the ground.
Funnily enough, a United player almost had to be hung, drawn and quartered before getting a free kick. Bruno getting his heels clipped from behind right as he's about to shoot on goal. No free kick, no yellow card for Gabriel Jesus and the cherry on top, a yellow card for Bruno for protesting!
F**king scandalous refereeing!
Funnily enough, a United player almost had to be hung, drawn and quartered before getting a free kick. Bruno getting his heels clipped from behind right as he's about to shoot on goal. No free kick, no yellow card for Gabriel Jesus and the cherry on top, a yellow card for Bruno for protesting!
F**king scandalous refereeing!
I’m not fully certain on this - but I recalled something in the first half when he signaled for a United throw in. Timber held onto the ball and complained, so he then signaled for an Arsenal throw.
Other incidents are all mentioned - but I’ve never seen so many neutrals or rival supporters all say how bias against United the referee was. Even my Liverpool supporting manager mentioned it was a horrid refereeing performance and Arsenal were a disgrace - and were happy we won
Other incidents are all mentioned - but I’ve never seen so many neutrals or rival supporters all say how bias against United the referee was. Even my Liverpool supporting manager mentioned it was a horrid refereeing performance and Arsenal were a disgrace - and were happy we won
'Rewarded' for Sunday's performance by being given Liverpool's game at Brentford on Saturday.
Considering the hard-on he had for Arsenal, this should be good news
Seems the PGMOL have more power than we think.
A referee's decision that actually benefits United is all over the media and everyone is talking about it.
When the opposite happens ( and its happening a lot these days ) and all the media just close ranks and its virtually ignored.
That's pretty concerning as a United fan.
A referee's decision that actually benefits United is all over the media and everyone is talking about it.
When the opposite happens ( and its happening a lot these days ) and all the media just close ranks and its virtually ignored.
That's pretty concerning as a United fan.
It certainly does feel like we pissed in all the referees cornflakes at the start of the season.
I so rarely complain about officials and tend to think it levels itself out but this season has been brutal on us.
My memory is rubbish but even off the top of my head there is the penalty on Sunday, Bruno red against Spurs and Penalty against West Ham that were all shockers.
That's just some big ones.
Both admitted to be wrong by the review panel, by the way. No incidents that went for us were reviewed to be wrong.
He called a foul on Collyer because he out jumped the Arsenal player for a header. 
No consequences, who would've thought that
Yes. Not much to add here except to say 3 bookings in error- 2 following bad decisions Bruno and MAguire. The first one on Dalot was harsh but let’s say Dalot second was a yellow and allow him the first. Mainoo was also not a booking. Havertz dives, grabbing Ugarte by the throat, foul on Bruno. Handling deliberately in trying to score. Nothing. The ref would appear to have set out to tilt the game against United.
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It really is. I know Amorim has a history of not criticizing refs, but he will need to start soon, especially if he gets the team involved in top 4 / title races (eventually!). One or two bad calls can make the difference (I am still pissed about that Drogba offside - would have been 5 straight titles and even City wouldn't have matched it).
The media are interested only in engagement not fairness. Unless they are forced to talk about it, they never will.
Why aren't United putting in an official complaint?
Jim laid off our complaint makers
Just because it's not made public it doesn't mean that we haven't been in contact with PGMOL.
Well it’s done feck all if that’s the case.
Not a surprise either.
It was said that we've made a few comments to the PGMOL about Michael Oliver's performances...
He is in charge of Brentford v Liverpool on Saturday, lets see if he is as bad for them as he was for us, Paul Tierney is VAR for that as well
Guess we find out if he’s a homer or it’s just United he hates.
@MiceOnMeth that means he’s easily influenced by the home fans.
The only thing that surprised me from him during the game was he didn’t give Bruno a second yellow for kicking the hoarding over when he celebrated his goal.
Same, fully expected him to give another yellow for that, the cnut.
He's a bent homer.
I never knew that tbh. I’ve heard people called an absolute Homer in non-football contexts as well