I can’t wait to see him claim a cross and ping an accurate cross field pass.
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You make us sound like a masochism hub.
75% save rate. vs 71% för DDG.
If we had Onana probably would have won the FA Cup
300k pounds less than DDG
No, if he’s on €67k net then that’s going to be around €130k or so gross.
Italian tax and Brit tax is different.
It still exists though, so comparing his net to DDG’s gross still makes no sense regardless of how accurate my grossing-up estimate may be.
If he's great with his feet hes better than DDG. For our system to work, it doesn't matter if youre the best shot stopper around, youl be a liability if you can't distribute the ball well.
Gross according to Capology (bonuses and other incentives, image rights etc. not included):
Onana - €75k p/w (£65k p/w)
De Gea - £375k p/w
Your original post said €67k net which I took at face value.
If he’s on €75k gross he’s on a whole lot less than €67k net.
He's not 6'3" at all. That figure is taken from Inter's website and Italian teams have form for fudging that. Napoli said Koulibaly was 6'5" forever.
Fbref has him at at 6' and half an inch, which seems about right. He still claims twice as many crosses as De Gea and his shot stopping stats are great, so I don't see an issue with it.
Take it from Pep...around 9:30
This was before the final. Pep says he hasn't seen anything like him in a long time and says it's difficult to press Inter because of him.
He also does go on to compare us and Inter and says Inter unlike us have an out ball to their forwards. "Rashford and the other one cant keep it"
Tax for high earning foreign workers in Italy is ridiculously low. It was supposed to attract STEM and finance professionals, but the rules also apply to foreign national footballers.
I saw it in an article, so I quoted it, but i checked and those are the supposed values. The thing is that in Italy they have a foreign players tax regime, which enables players to play maximum tax on only 50% of the income. That means that Onana pays 21-22% taxes, while De Gea pays (roughly) 45%.
Net salaries:
Onana - £52k p/w (€60k)
De Gea - £206k p/w
We probably need to offer him around £140k p/w, which will net him around 77k p/w and should be a sufficient uplift.
If it equates to around 10% overall that’s insane!
Of course it's insane, wouldn't be Italy if it wasn't
I'm not an expert in Italian tax law, so can't comment on the specific numbers, but I do remember reading about it being changed around the time Lukaku moved to Inter.
https://salaryaftertax.com/salary-calculator/uk
https://salaryaftertax.com/it/salary-calculator
129,000 gross =~ 67000 net in Italy
126,000 gross =~ 67000 net in UK
DDG
375000 gross =~ 199000 net in UK.
about 3 times the salary both in gross and net.
I was pretty close then!!
I’m deciding those links are accurate because it suits my point.
Those seem like normal tax levels for if he was Italian. High paid foreign workers moving to Italy are eligible to only pay something like 30% of the normal tax.
During the Champions League final I kept telling my friends that Onana is one of the best goalkeepers in the world. They were like..."You're crazy!". I'm a keeper coach and have been a GK since I was 13. Onana is one of those GK's that you can build an entire team around because:
1. He's excellent with the ball using both feet.
2. He doesn't panic under pressure when being pressed.
3. His distribution is excellent.
4. His shot-stopping ability is excellent.
5. His decision making as a GK is collective, taking into account his defenders.
Any Utd fan saying he isn't a good GK, knows absolutely nothing about what a top GK is.
1. He's excellent with the ball using both feet.
2. He doesn't panic under pressure when being pressed.
3. His distribution is excellent.
4. His shot-stopping ability is excellent.
5. His decision making as a GK is collective, taking into account his defenders.
Any Utd fan saying he isn't a good GK, knows absolutely nothing about what a top GK is.
Yep, since Onana is a foreigner, his tax amounts to something like 21-22%. DDG is paid 4 times as much as him. We'll have a massive wage decrease if we release DDG, even if we do not sign Onana.
What DDG was on is not really relevant because if he stays that won't be what he'd be getting going forward, whatever that is would be the comparison to make
You are correct. And this is derailing the thread a bit, so let's not get into assumptions on how much of a decrease DDG is willing to accept.
He's spot on, Pep. Might know a thing or two about football.
And yet our genius goalkeeper David De Gea kept pumping the ball up the field.
He can get a little cocky when it comes to this TBH.
I really like this one. It would be bold. He's a risk taker, but I think that's what we need. We need personality in goal at Man Utd.
Scared goalkeeping hasn't been working particularly well. DeGea's cautious style is okay when it's okay and I do give some credit for the clean sheets record, but when it falls apart, it seems to take the entire defence with it and he costs us big matches when he seems to freeze. Not to mention the hoofing up the pitch approach.
This would be the polar opposite, it's like signing a Lisandro Martinez. It looks kind of risky but look how it paid off.
Scared goalkeeping hasn't been working particularly well. DeGea's cautious style is okay when it's okay and I do give some credit for the clean sheets record, but when it falls apart, it seems to take the entire defence with it and he costs us big matches when he seems to freeze. Not to mention the hoofing up the pitch approach.
This would be the polar opposite, it's like signing a Lisandro Martinez. It looks kind of risky but look how it paid off.
You need to be cocky to be a GK. You need to be eccentric, willing to take risks and most importantly, be brave under pressure. It's why managers tell their forwards to not bother pressing Allison and Ederson anymore. You're just gonna waste precious energy NOT getting the ball or have them make a mistake.
TBF all the balls that DdG pumped ended up with City players anyway, so Rashford and Co had no chance. Not that we would have won,,, but with DdG we even lost the punchers chance we had
Oh I know. As I once said on the CAF. in 18/19 when a forward defeated our defenders I always said: "Good one, now good luck beating Onana."
I thought AFCON was moving to summer now?
They said we need a Goalkeeper, a midfielder and a striker.
Penny pinching Glazer's got all 3 in 1. #Glazersout.
Penny pinching Glazer's got all 3 in 1. #Glazersout.
Well can certainly play first two positions
Really informative thread from that guy. You can tell he never posts here.
Onana is the key to game domination??
So the key player to Barca's ball possession not because they have Xavi, Iniesta, and Busquet, but.. all this time it was... VALDES!!!
Dang... this is revolutionary.
So the key player to Barca's ball possession not because they have Xavi, Iniesta, and Busquet, but.. all this time it was... VALDES!!!
Dang... this is revolutionary.
Xavi and Iniesta wouldn't have seen the ball half as much if Barca had dopy Dave wildly booting it back to the opposition all the time. There's a good reason no manager of the Spanish national team ever used him
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