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So we've gone from a quote saying 6m euros a season, to then people assuming this is net so it's actually 190k a week, which will in turn result in the British press saying he earns 275k a week with bonuses...
 
I’ve watched some YouTube videos on him and while I’m impressed, I’m a bit worried about how his method of constantly parrying shots straight in front of him back in to the 6 yard box. A lot of the saves he makes he gets lucky with defenders hoofing it clear…I’d like to see him divert more of his saves away from the goal…
Fortunately Martinez is brilliant at clearing those because he reads the game brilliantly and he’s nimble enough to react. Hopefully will negate the issue somewhat.
 
I don't get it either, you're the first person ever to ask this in a thread of 103 pages which otherwise has considered all possible angles of the Onana transfer.

Ok, this and the AFCON question, those are two obvious omissions in the debate. Glad you raised it!

jesus, apologies everyone for not reading all 103 pages of this thread. i promise i'll do better next time.
 
I’ve watched some YouTube videos on him and while I’m impressed, I’m a bit worried about how his method of constantly parrying shots straight in front of him back in to the 6 yard box. A lot of the saves he makes he gets lucky with defenders hoofing it clear…I’d like to see him divert more of his saves away from the goal…

That's my only concern about him,however exciting to see what he can bring to this team
 
I’ve watched some YouTube videos on him and while I’m impressed, I’m a bit worried about how his method of constantly parrying shots straight in front of him back in to the 6 yard box. A lot of the saves he makes he gets lucky with defenders hoofing it clear…I’d like to see him divert more of his saves away from the goal…
Something to work on with the goalkeeping coach and the defence? No doubt Onana wishes to keep improving.
 
i really don't get how people can be so ignorant yet but also confident enough to keep posting
People like to moan about anything they can. For some people it's difficult to shake off the last decade of frustration.
 
This will probably be our most exciting signing this summer. Just because it will transform our style of play straight away. Teams will struggle against us more with a keeper that can play through them. My only concern would be about his shot stopping. Not sure what that’s like, I’ve seen a few people say he parry’s shots straight back in front of him.
 
This will probably be our most exciting signing this summer. Just because it will transform our style of play straight away. Teams will struggle against us more with a keeper that can play through them. My only concern would be about his shot stopping. Not sure what that’s like, I’ve seen a few people say he parry’s shots straight back in front of him.

Yeah that has been suggested but also seen videos of where he has demonstrated his ability to make those big saves when called upon
 
What on earth are you talking about? At this point I think you’re just being obtuse. I don’t think he could’ve broken his point down any more and made himself any clearer. If we have more of the ball and more control we’ll be a better team, it’s as simple as that.

Yes, the point is very clear. Very clear. There is no universe in which a keeper makes a forward (on the same team) a more clinical finisher, which was by far our most glaring hole last season. Our goals conceded record was decent, but our goals scored record was abysmal. We created an abundant number of chances (substantiated above), but we were woeful on goal match after match, including the 1-0 defeat to West Ham made notorious by the De Gea howler for the ages.

Erling Haaland is not a clinical finisher because Ederson makes him one. De Bruyne and Rodri are not brilliant because Ederson makes them brilliant.

All I'm objecting is the argument that Onana was cause a "transformation" of the squad.
 
All I'm objecting is the argument that Onana was cause a "transformation" of the squad.

If you improve your general play on the ball, that is different from having a clinical finisher. We need both, Onana helps the first. Its not complicated.
 
I believe Alisson is on 180K pw.
I highly doubt it his transfer fee was second highest ever for a Keeper over 60 m so most probably his wages would have reflected that his initial wages would have been closer to 180k a week and since then he had his contract renewed and proven to be one the best keeper in the World I can definitely see his wages more in line of 250 k a week rather than less than 200 k.
 
It's going to be absolutely hilarious to see how big of a collective fit everyone throws the first time he costs us a goal by doing something daft. I'm very excited about this signing though, it has the potential to be the most transformative we make this summer since we likely aren't getting a big name striker.
 
I highly doubt it his transfer fee was second highest ever for a Keeper over 60 m so most probably his wages would have reflected that his initial wages would have been closer to 180k a week and since then he had his contract renewed and proven to be one the best keeper in the World I can definitely see his wages touching 250 k a week rather than less than 200 k a week.
My understanding was his initial contract was 100k or some low amount like that. And then it was made to 180k after renewal. I haven't read anywhere that he is on a > 200k contract.
With the Onana transfer, fans on here and outside seem to be taking the "At least he is not on De Gea money" route. De Gea salary was a big mistake.
It cannot be a benchmark. That is if the intention is to reduce the player salaries and stop giving out silly money contracts.
 
My understanding was his initial contract was 100k or some low amount like that. And then it was made to 180k after renewal. I haven't read anywhere that he is on a > 200k contract.
With the Onana transfer, fans on here and outside seem to be taking the "At least he is not on De Gea money" route. De Gea salary was a big mistake.
It cannot be a benchmark. That is if the intention is to reduce the player salaries and stop giving out silly money contracts.

I am not going on any puff pieces by media put out by Liverpool propaganda machinery but simple logic you can't bring player at his peak with one of the highest transfer fee paid ever for goal keeper and all the while still substantial fee at that time even compared to Outfield players transfers and pay them only 100 k a week that just doesn't compute for me and Liverpool official total wage bill kind of point towards that direction as well .
 
jesus, apologies everyone for not reading all 103 pages of this thread. i promise i'll do better next time.
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No worries, but this is coming back so often (together with the AFCON question) that it's become a meme at this point. :) (Or at this point some weeks ago more like.)
 
I'm still disappointed that the club didn't test Villa's resolve on Martinez. PL experience is a massive factor for me, unless the player involved is absolute world class - and I think this goes doubly for keepers: DDG was horrid in his first season(s), the French clown looked as out of place as a loud fart at a funeral and Taibi, well, words aren't really needed.

In all honesty, I haven't seen enough of Onana to be happy or not (although, boy, did we need an upgrade). I just know Martinez would have been a good fit: I like keepers who get in opponents' faces, are strong characters and are strong physically - something DDG never has been

how is a goalkeeper who has won titles at Ajax and took Inter to the UCL final and was probably their man of the match not proven?

also, Martinez is not really a play out of the back goalkeeper.

I remember watching the FA Cup final and thinking that this City back up keeper has more confidence when standing on the ball then our one (although I respect DDG for the service he gave the club)
 
Yes, the point is very clear. Very clear. There is no universe in which a keeper makes a forward (on the same team) a more clinical finisher, which was by far our most glaring hole last season. Our goals conceded record was decent, but our goals scored record was abysmal. We created an abundant number of chances (substantiated above), but we were woeful on goal match after match, including the 1-0 defeat to West Ham made notorious by the De Gea howler for the ages.

Erling Haaland is not a clinical finisher because Ederson makes him one. De Bruyne and Rodri are not brilliant because Ederson makes them brilliant.

All I'm objecting is the argument that Onana was cause a "transformation" of the squad.
There absolutely will be a transformation though... Doesn't mean others don't need to do their bits, but I'd say our random occasional hammerings stick out far more than our goals total does. And one of the biggest causes of those hammerings were being unable to deal with the press of the opposition, leading to just gifting them the ball time and time again. Onana literally eliminates that. That whole bit of being unable to play through any press simply shouldn't be an issue with Onana, while it was a huge issue with de Gea. It helps relieve pressure, it helps us build up play and initiate attacks to make these games more even. Attackers need to score, but being able to play you want to play helps you get chances to score.

Our lack of goals is of course an issue, but it wasn't a "big issue" last season in terms of the end result of things. We grinded out a ton of games, won the games we should've won, and lost the games we got hammered in by play. There wasn't many games at all that we missed out on the win due to shit finishing or not having a top striker. Which is more a fluke than anything, you'd expect us to struggle more without a striker like last season, but ultimately the way the season ran, the points we picked up... Don't think a striker would've done more than a 5 point boost at most. Depends on the striker, but with de Gea playing out from the back, we would still struggle massively against a high press. So we would still get hammered by Newcastle, Liverpool, Arsenal, city away the way we did.
 
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Yes, the point is very clear. Very clear. There is no universe in which a keeper makes a forward (on the same team) a more clinical finisher, which was by far our most glaring hole last season. Our goals conceded record was decent, but our goals scored record was abysmal. We created an abundant number of chances (substantiated above), but we were woeful on goal match after match, including the 1-0 defeat to West Ham made notorious by the De Gea howler for the ages.

Erling Haaland is not a clinical finisher because Ederson makes him one. De Bruyne and Rodri are not brilliant because Ederson makes them brilliant.

All I'm objecting is the argument that Onana was cause a "transformation" of the squad.

Do you really need to be convinced that the keeper not hoofing the ball back to the other team dozens of times a match is a big deal? It won't directly lead to goals but every time that doesn't happen it's 1 less time they have to win the ball back and 1 more opportunity start an attack.
 
There absolutely will be a transformation though... Doesn't mean others don't need to do their bits, but I'd say our random occasional hammerings stick out far more than our goals total does. And one of the biggest causes of those hammerings were being unable to deal with the press of the opposition, leading to just gifting them the ball time and time again. Onana literally eliminates that. That whole bit of being unable to play through any press simply shouldn't be an issue with Onana, while it was a huge issue with de Gea. It helps relieve pressure, it helps us build up play and initiate attacks to make these games more even. Attackers need to score, but being able to play you want to play helps you get chances to score.

Our lack of goals is of course an issue, but it wasn't a "big issue" last season in terms of the end result of things. We grinded out a ton of games, won the games we should've won, and lost the games we got hammered in by play. There wasn't many games at all that we missed out on the win due to shit finishing or not having a top striker. Which is more a fluke than anything, you'd expect us to struggle more without a striker like last season, but ultimately the way the season ran, the points we picked up... Don't think a striker would've done more than a 5 point boost at most. Depends on the striker, but with de Gea playing out from the back, we would still struggle massively against a high press. So we would still get hammered by Newcastle, Liverpool, Arsenal, city away the way we did.
Imo both Onana and a new #9 are a must for us to solve our issues.

Clearly Onana would help us to progress the ball from the back and beat the press. But then we'd also need a reliable #9 to keep the ball and link the play to create more chances. And of course to finish those chances as well. Onana and a new #9 are both a must this summer I think.
 
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