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I’m really unsure as to why so many reputable journalists like Fabrizio have cited that today and tomorrow are the key days. If we were going to make the bid that satisfied Inter’s demands on one of these days anyway, couldn’t we just have done it immediately after the last bid was rejected last Thursday? Why wait until today or tomorrow? Inter were never going to suddenly accept a previous bid they had initially rejected :lol:
 
MinGin said:
I would like to know what is our negotiation team doing on this Monday and Tuesday.
It is a big risk to wait day to day when the world know we have no 1st keeper
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Actually I am genuinely interested to know how football negotiations between clubs take place. Do they negotiate over video call one morning, then go back and discuss internally for the rest of the week and do another video call the following week, rinse and repeat? Is that why agreements over fees take so long?
 
Freak said:
Actually I am genuinely interested to know how football negotiations between clubs take place. Do they negotiate over video call one morning, then go back and discuss internally for the rest of the week and do another video call the following week, rinse and repeat? Is that why agreements over fees take so long?
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As far as I know clubs don't negotiate by meetings but bids via fax or mails.

Imo it's because the money involved is usually a lot and there is also many other things like squad strength, replacements, commercial potential of the player etc. so both sides especially the selling one would need considerable time to discuss the matters privately and internally which is impossible in meetings.
 
criticalanalysis said:
As a 'I can understand if people don't see things as rosy and have doubts', you were doing so well until the bolded.

Sure, let's not exaggerate how transformative Onana can potentially become but let's not diminish his quality in relation to De Gea. A bit better playing out of the back? They couldn't be more at the opposite ends of quality.
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That’s the whole point… the CB and midfield changes already had a lot of impact. Onana is much better than Dave with his feet. But if we fail to bring in another player (striker!) I don’t believe Onana alone is “transformative”. The way the Caf goes on about it, we’re suddenly CL favorites :rolleyes:. Nuance… doesn’t exist on the internet these days. It’s either amazing or shit with nothing in between.

He’s had some howlers too, fellas. Personally, I’m not crazy about how often he dribbles around. I predict he’ll have a couple of mistakes and the Caf will go mental. I think he’ll be a net positive, a good player for us. I do not think, however, that we’ll suddenly have 80% possession every match, suddenly becoming tiki taka. We don’t have those types of players.

 
This has been "imminent" and "on the verge" for quite some time now.
 
Freak said:
Actually I am genuinely interested to know how football negotiations between clubs take place. Do they negotiate over video call one morning, then go back and discuss internally for the rest of the week and do another video call the following week, rinse and repeat? Is that why agreements over fees take so long?
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These deals are worth more money than many corporate buyouts. Contracts between clubs are exhaustively long and have to signed off by multiple lawyers. The finance team need to ensure that that can get the right amount of cash at the right time, update their projections accurately so that they can say with confidence that we meet FFP and other financial requirements in future years, and also update everyone on what this will mean for other deals this summer. There will be half a dozen senior figures at the club who need to review the papers and sign off on the deal. The real surprise is how quick these things take, not how slow they are.
 
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Strelok said:
As far as I know clubs don't negotiate by meetings but bids via fax or mails.

Imo it's because the money involved is usually a lot and there is also many other things like squad strength, replacements, commercial potential of the player etc. so both sides especially the selling one would need considerable time to discuss the matters privately and internally which is impossible in meetings.
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You then have banks and lawyers involved going through each proposal with a fine tooth comb, a proposal in which itself took ages to write up.

Emails and fax is used because it has a paper trail.
 
Marcelinho87 said:
You then have banks and lawyers involved going through each proposal with a fine tooth comb, a proposal in which itself took ages to write up.

Emails and fax is used because it has a paper trail.
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Yeah there are a ton of things involved in a deal. Surely you can't tell your partner hey please wait we'd need to see the financial department, marketing department, the lawyers, talk with the coaches, the chairman etc. then we'd get back to you. That would take days.

So unless the first bid makes the selling side happy enough it would take at least a couple of weeks imo. But there's also the deadline transfers which happen in the last 24 hours of the window. So it can be fast when it needs to I think.
 
quadrant said:
These deals are worth more money than many corporate buyouts. Contracts between clubs are exhaustively long and have to signed off by multiple lawyers. The finance team need to ensure that that can get the right amount of cash at the right time, update their projections accurately so that they can say with confidence that we meet FFP and other financial requirements in future years, and also update everyone on what this will mean for other deals this summer. There will be half a dozen senior figures at the club who need to review the papers and sign off on the deal. The real surprise is how quick these things take, not how slow they are.
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Spot on.
 
quadrant said:
These deals are worth more money than many corporate buyouts. Contracts between clubs are exhaustively long and have to signed off by multiple lawyers. The finance team need to ensure that that can get the right amount of cash at the right time, update their projections accurately so that they can say with confidence that we meet FFP and other financial requirements in future years, and also update everyone on what this will mean for other deals this summer. There will be half a dozen senior figures at the club who need to review the papers and sign off on the deal. The real surprise is how quick these things take, not how slow they are.
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And add on top of the tactical timing of the counter. Pressure on selling/buying team, market dominoes timing, connection with another transfer, etc.
 
quadrant said:
These deals are worth more money than many corporate buyouts. Contracts between clubs are exhaustively long and have to signed off by multiple lawyers. The finance team need to ensure that that can get the right amount of cash at the right time, update their projections accurately so that they can say with confidence that we meet FFP and other financial requirements in future years, and also update everyone on what this will mean for other deals this summer. There will be half a dozen senior figures at the club who need to review the papers and sign off on the deal. The real surprise is how quick these things take, not how slow they are.
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Not to mention negotiate payment terms in a way that allows us to get other targets in as well (eg. Hojlund). In the mean time, Inter will also be negotiating because they will need a payment schedule which allows them to go after their own targets (eg. Lukaku.

Boggles my mind as to how people can take trivialize such major and complex financial decisions for any organization.
 
"Man doesn't fear Man" - Andre Onana on Haaland.

Can’t wait for another mentality player at this club. These are the profiles we need in the team. So excited about this signing, will fundamentally change the way we play, this signing will be as important as bruno.

Onana clipping inch perfect balls to Bruno, , Mount, Rashford, Antony, Garnacho , all of that combined with the silly new offside rule we're gonna be unstoppable.


A keeper that can pass ......
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This deal is basically done.

Waiting for that Ornbomb today or tommorow. Can't wait to see him in red. Im unbelievably excited for this. Get Hojlund done too & we should be in for a strong season .
 
Strelok said:
Yeah there are a ton of things involved in a deal. Surely you can't tell your partner hey please wait we'd need to see the financial department, marketing department, the lawyers, talk with the coaches, the chairman etc. then we'd get back to you. That would take days.

So unless the first bid makes the selling side happy enough it would take at least a couple of weeks imo. But there's also the deadline transfers which happen in the last 24 hours of the window. So it can be fast when it needs to I think.
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Imagine the overtime cost paid out on those deadline deals.
 
Marcelinho87 said:
Imagine the overtime cost paid out on those deadline deals.
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Yeah sure :lol:

Anyway imo by then they'd just hold a meeting for like couple hours and decide to accept the bid or not. Because they'd also need time for the medical and official signing. All that must be done before the deadline. Medical alone would take like a whole day at the least imo. As far as I know a standard medical would usually take two days, sometime 3 days if necessary.
 
Shiva87 said:
how is a goalkeeper who has won titles at Ajax and took Inter to the UCL final and was probably their man of the match not proven?

also, Martinez is not really a play out of the back goalkeeper.

I remember watching the FA Cup final and thinking that this City back up keeper has more confidence when standing on the ball then our one (although I respect DDG for the service he gave the club)
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I said proven in the Premier League - some top players struggled to adapt – and for a keeper, I think that's even more important. I didn't see Martinez have any trouble playing at from the back in the World Cup...
 
mitchmouse said:
I said proven in the Premier League - some top players struggled to adapt – and for a keeper, I think that's even more important. I didn't see Martinez have any trouble playing at from the back in the World Cup...
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I agree that it isn't guaranteed that Onana will adjust to the Premier League, but if that final against City is anything to go by then I think he's got a great chance. I'm sure if he has a couple of moments early on where his dribbling antics get him into trouble then he and Ten Hag will adapt his game to eliminate these issues.

I just keep going back to this video, in the final of the CL, against City. It's unreal how calm he is on the ball, and watching him come out for high balls and crosses is something I forgot that keepers are meant to do. Plus, some of those long balls up are :drool:



Consoling his team mates after losing the game like a leader, pushing Haaland because he was being a twat. I think his positives will outweigh any negatives he might have.
 
mitchmouse said:
I said proven in the Premier League - some top players struggled to adapt – and for a keeper, I think that's even more important. I didn't see Martinez have any trouble playing at from the back in the World Cup...
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Some top players struggle to adapt to any of the top leagues. The PL is not as special or different or as tough as people think it is. The usual rhetoric of PL proven vs players from foreign leagues not adapting is lazy.
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
The usual rhetoric of PL proven vs players from foreign leagues not adapting is lazy.
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Fully agreed.
It drives me nuts, when pundits spill out this "PL Proven" bilge.
Was Aguero PL proven? Thierry Henry? Van Nistelrooy? Haaland? etc etc etc......

Salah & De Bruyne were PL flops at Chelsea, wouldn't argue against them being PL proven now though.
Could also argue that Harry Maguire WAS premier League proven, but look how that turned out.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
I agree that it isn't guaranteed that Onana will adjust to the Premier League, but if that final against City is anything to go by then I think he's got a great chance. I'm sure if he has a couple of moments early on where his dribbling antics get him into trouble then he and Ten Hag will adapt his game to eliminate these issues.

I just keep going back to this video, in the final of the CL, against City. It's unreal how calm he is on the ball, and watching him come out for high balls and crosses is something I forgot that keepers are meant to do. Plus, some of those long balls up are :drool:



Consoling his team mates after losing the game like a leader, pushing Haaland because he was being a twat. I think his positives will outweigh any negatives he might have.
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I like the way when he collects a shot or a ball in, he immediately runs to the edge of the box to get the ball going and moving forward again.

Who knows how it will turn out. But, after having DDG in goal for so long, it'll be great to see a proactive keeper playing for Utd again.
 
Ikon said:
Could also argue that Harry Maguire WAS premier League proven, but look how that turned out.
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He was proved to be good in a team who sit back and counter. Which is still true imo.

Of course this proven stuff can be complicated and a player's form can change but imo we all prefer the proven ones simply because it's safer. That's also why teams are willing to pay a lot more cash for proven players imo. Every transfer is a risk and the less risky it is the better I think.
 
Oranges038 said:
I like the way when he collects a shot or a ball in, he immediately runs to the edge of the box to get the ball going and moving forward again.

Who knows how it will turn out. But, after having DDG in goal for so long, it'll be great to see a proactive keeper playing for Utd again.
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Its going to be surreal to have a keeper who practically plays like a 3rd CB.

He's so assured in his passing, he does it like thats the easiest thing in the world, while being in front of about 3 opposing players.
 
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