I feel sorry for the lad
Ander Herrera is a Manchester United Player!
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Flood him with messages of support on twitter.
Agree but we were desperate. But apparently not desperate enough for the deal in Spain.
This.
The idea we can go back in for him in January after messing him about as we have is about as laughable as the idea we could get Fabregas for less than Barca paid Arsenal for him!
Can't believe we tried to haggle over the buyout clause. Did we not know Bilbao only sign Basques? Its incredibly hard to replace a player like Herrera if you can only get another Basque in for him so thinking we could get away with paying less than Bilbao wanted is mad. Even if we gave them £50 million they couldn't find a Basque player of similar quality overnight so of course they weren't gonna let us get Herrera for less than the buyout clause. Did our people not see this?
Unless all he was, was a makeweight for the Fellaini deal, which makes it even more bizarre.
Wonder if we could've negotiated a half-season or season long loan for him to play with us while we worked on sorting things out with a view to completing a transfer in January.
How would that work? Doesn't a "makeweight" need to be a player you already have?
Good question. Interested in the answer as well.
Whatever, as a 'threat' to Fellaini and Everton if you please. Negotiating with Bilbao has rarely ever worked for a club.
Why would Bilbao loan him to us when they did not have enough time to find a replacement? They didn't want him to leave.
If United really were interested in signing him and it just fell threw because of some bureaucracy stuff, I doubt he holds a grudge and won't sign in January. Just explain to him that you made a mistake, get it sorted and promise him that he will be a United player on January 1st.
If United just used him to lower the price for Fellaini, well then United deserve to never sign another CM ever again. That would be truely embarrassing.
If United just used him to lower the price for Fellaini, well then United deserve to never sign another CM ever again. That would be truely embarrassing.
Has any United official actually ever talked to Josu Urrutia? When Bayern tried to sign Martinez, he simply refused to talk to us. Wouldn't be surprised if that's the case with United as well and therefore it'll be impossible to negotiate anything. The only way to get the player is to pay the release clause through the La Liga headquarters, then there's no need for any contact with Athletic.
Which is what I find disappointing as I think Herrera is closer to what we need. I think next summer we'll still be talking about needing to strengthen the midfield.
Gotta feel sorry for the lad now, he was prepared to take a wage cut to seal his move to Utd and then this happens.
Also, what will he be thinking of now, i hope we can do something next Jan but my main concern now is our handling of the transfers and Woodward's involvement or lack of it.
Also, what will he be thinking of now, i hope we can do something next Jan but my main concern now is our handling of the transfers and Woodward's involvement or lack of it.
I doubt United would ever do that. The new guys in charge of transfers are just incompetent at their jobs, not incompetent at being human beings which they will be if this was actually what they tried to do.
Should have been the other way round then. I'd rather have Herrera. Although I doubt bilbao would have given a feck.
Yeah, that's what I believe as well. But then there's really no reason why he won't be a United player January 1st, unless the transfer clause can only be triggered in the summer. But I doubt that's the case with these spanish clauses.
Yeah he looks like he'd really have improved our passing and overall buildup play. Wanted someone like him at old Trafford.
No doubt I'll personally feel that way until we sign someone of that mould.
But can't the transfer be agreed right now and go through in January? I've always been under the impression that barring the transfer actually bing affected, everything else can be done outside the window.
This transfer makes you morally hate your own club. We best agree something in January and increase the poor kids wages. We are a disgrace *Drogba voice*
The more I read about this transfer, the more baffled I am.
Did we really want him?
If the guys were not from United , who are they ? Do we really know?
If it is true that we was haggling over a couple of million quid then it is a joke, we are meant to be one of the top 3 richest clubs in the world, this is not the way a club of our standing conducts a transfer.
I don't think it was a smoke screen to force Everton's hand.
I will never be embarrassed at being a United fan, that will never change, but what I am embarrassed at is the way we have conducted our transfers this summer, it has been farcical.
Not only are we the laughing stock of British football because of the idiots running the club, the top clubs are going to be watching how we handle things now and think, there is no way we will do any business with them.
Last night was a stain on United that will take a very long time to be cleaned off.
Did we really want him?
If the guys were not from United , who are they ? Do we really know?
If it is true that we was haggling over a couple of million quid then it is a joke, we are meant to be one of the top 3 richest clubs in the world, this is not the way a club of our standing conducts a transfer.
I don't think it was a smoke screen to force Everton's hand.
I will never be embarrassed at being a United fan, that will never change, but what I am embarrassed at is the way we have conducted our transfers this summer, it has been farcical.
Not only are we the laughing stock of British football because of the idiots running the club, the top clubs are going to be watching how we handle things now and think, there is no way we will do any business with them.
Last night was a stain on United that will take a very long time to be cleaned off.
Moyes has been quoted saying we wanted Herrera but didn't think Bilbao's valuation was right...
where?
but he knew the release value, him and his advises must know how it works in Spain.
It still boils down to haggling over a few quid, OK a few million but for club with money to spend it should of not been a problem.
Our 'value' of players is drastically out of touch with reality. It's becoming increasingly evident we are being hampered by the Glazers in the transfer market as we lose out time and time again on top talents. This one even wanted to DROP his wage demands to come to us yet we still tried to lower the price pathetically.
We need to get Sir Alex involved somehow, go and see the lad and apologise to him and Bilbao. Sack Woodward this morning to prove to the other clubs that this isn't how we do business.
I don't think he did.
It really grates that we overspent on Fellani when we didn't have to and then wouldn't cough up a few more million for this guy. Incompetence.
If the club saw it fit to spend 27.5m on Marouane fecking Fellaini then money most certainly could not have been the issue. And if Moyes really feels that he represents better value at that price than Herrera... well then I'm speechless. In that case I'd doubt Moyes' ability for the first time since his appointment.
I agree with everything apart for the Moyes ability, it is too early to decide that yet.
Its not just last night, its the whole summer that has let United down.
That is a ridiculous attitude. Just pay what they want. What knowledge does Moyes have of buying players at this level. You aren't buying from the Irish Leagues now David, this is the big league.
There is no way the lad will come to us in January or ever.
I hope these 'imposters' sue us. Our club is behaving disgracefully.
I don't understand this whole "his buyout amount was wrong". That is the whole reason behind a buy out clause, it's bound to be on the high side. No club in their right mind would have a fair buyout clause, giving "value" to the buying club.
The value excuses are funny. Fellaini is a good player but 28 million isn't value. Ashley young for 18 million isn't value. Berbatov for 30 million isn't value. Heck Anderson despite being a talent for 18 to 20 million wasn't value. We regularly pay extra for players.
Having to play VAT for a player makes virtually no sense. I can see we we balked at having to play 21% more. It sounds like Herrera said he'd pay it himself, and then we just backed out.
Yep. Herrera agreeing to pay it himself for me is amazing. In this day and age where players agents squeeze out extra, a player willing to take a cut to force the deal is refreshing to hear. A club subsequently backing out isn't
It was a stupid case of choosing between Fellaini and Herrera but then again they're completely different as footballers. What the feck is the idea behind signing either Fellaini or Ander ? I honestly cannot believe that Moyes had nothing with it.
Was it a case of choosing? I don't think so. As you say, they're completely different players who would improve us I'm different ways. I personally think we just got stingy.
Yep. Herrera agreeing to pay it himself for me is amazing. In this day and age where players agents squeeze out extra, a player willing to take a cut to force the deal is refreshing to hear. A club subsequently backing out isn't
Martinez and Thiago did pretty much the same afaik.
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