He's worth whatever the club are willing to pay, yeah I'd agree that the fee seems high but I'd still pay if he is as good as they say. I've not seen too much of him to be able to judge properly.
Yeah that makes a lot of sense actually.
Ander Herrera is a Manchester United Player!
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Everything we've seen today is what's been happening behind the scenes. It's a pantomime. We'll end up paying more else we'll look like mugs again...and they're acting like the dogs bollocks. I would assume that's why we've not seen a picture of Herrera as the club wouldn't want people to ask why he's at the club, having a medical or getting a tour and yet we've not agreed a fee (we have and we all know it). We'll pay an awful lot of money on a player who up until recently, it seemed the club had lost interest in. Hopefully it won't effect other potential deals. Is it any wonder southampton are still holding on?..
Stan Jefferson it was a waste of time trying to reason with a child. Their market and thinking is completely different to ours. At the end of the day, we'll pay more then we intended but we'll get the player. People talking about what they could do with the money! Well, acting a bit more like adults on twatter might make them look a bit more professional. I wouldn't give them any credit regarding thinking rationally.
Stan Jefferson it was a waste of time trying to reason with a child. Their market and thinking is completely different to ours. At the end of the day, we'll pay more then we intended but we'll get the player. People talking about what they could do with the money! Well, acting a bit more like adults on twatter might make them look a bit more professional. I wouldn't give them any credit regarding thinking rationally.
I didn't disagree with you, i told you that the second one wasn't stupid, unadvised but not stupid. My problem was with the word "stupid", that's it.
They built a new stadium last year and by all accounts are a very well off club.
Just highlighted your "nothing" there. Which is totally wrong.
There are no players they could buy, I won't dispute that, however new training facilities, stadium improvements and money for wages to try and keep their other top players then £30m+ is very welcome.
so it not ok to have a player at you club before negotiations with the club have been concluded, but it is okay to have him at your club before negotiations with the legal authorities are concluded?
As above. They built a new stadium last year. They don't need to sell players to keep their others, either.
I seem to recall its unofficial policy by the club not to sell players under normal circumstances, that players have to be bought out via their clauses before they'll leave.
You are confusing things. Odemwingie had a deal with club, so QPR had to go through them. They did not want, not did they try to terminate his contract. In Ander's cause MU already pushed for unilateral termination, breach of contract. In a legal way that's very different to simple transfer between QPR and WBA. And i was talking about the deal that induce breach of contract. Martinez as i remember had his medical at Bayern and agreed his contract long before transfer happened.
No club aside from the oil doped are in a position where they don't need money for something.
You do know there is more to running a football club than just buying players right? What about massively improving their youth facilities and scouting system so they could get a nice return on their investment in the form of more and better basque players? or how about using the money to pay the players they have more and make it even harder for clubs to take their precious basque players? or how about making the ticket price lower for their support and improving their stadium. You'd have to be pretty deluded to think they would not accept £1billion for a player.
I'm still not really sure why people are so worried. Logically, the sequence of events @Browniee posted a while back is the only one that makes sense. So there are a few potential outcomes, bearing in mind Bilbao don't want to sell to us:
1. We complete the signing at the buyout figure without paying any extra in taxes
2. We complete the signing at the buyout figure and pay the additional taxes
3. We pull out of the deal for the only reason left at this stage: the increased price due to taxes.
4. If, as in 3, taxes become too onerous, we chuck Bilbao some more money to keep them happy.
1 is what we all want at this stage. 2 is only an issue if the club is being forced to pay the extra because they didn't know that they'd end up paying the taxes and are now boxed into a corner by how far along the 'deal' is. 3 likewise, if we think the player isn't worth an increased fee, we shouldn't pay it. 4 isn't likely as Bilbao probably still won't sell.
So it seems to me that the club can only really be criticised if they didn't know they'd have to pay the taxes, or didn't have the right advice/information about the avoidance of tax on buy out clauses. Because Bilbao refusing to sell, if the law/Spanish Revenue states that we have to pay tax on the fee, then we were always going to have to pay it if we wanted to sign him, regardless of whether we'd all had our hopes built up. So the decision would have been purely about whether the additional taxes on the already high fee were worth it. If the club thinks so, what difference does it make to us?
1. We complete the signing at the buyout figure without paying any extra in taxes
2. We complete the signing at the buyout figure and pay the additional taxes
3. We pull out of the deal for the only reason left at this stage: the increased price due to taxes.
4. If, as in 3, taxes become too onerous, we chuck Bilbao some more money to keep them happy.
1 is what we all want at this stage. 2 is only an issue if the club is being forced to pay the extra because they didn't know that they'd end up paying the taxes and are now boxed into a corner by how far along the 'deal' is. 3 likewise, if we think the player isn't worth an increased fee, we shouldn't pay it. 4 isn't likely as Bilbao probably still won't sell.
So it seems to me that the club can only really be criticised if they didn't know they'd have to pay the taxes, or didn't have the right advice/information about the avoidance of tax on buy out clauses. Because Bilbao refusing to sell, if the law/Spanish Revenue states that we have to pay tax on the fee, then we were always going to have to pay it if we wanted to sign him, regardless of whether we'd all had our hopes built up. So the decision would have been purely about whether the additional taxes on the already high fee were worth it. If the club thinks so, what difference does it make to us?
Exactly. We never know what happened last year but we didn't pay it then and at the moment if they are asking United to pay more is a pretty valid reason not to go through.
Then what did they use to buy someone like Kike Sola (€4m including bonuses) for example? Monopoly money???
Agree with this. Where they're vulnerable is the ceiling on their success because of their homegrown policy. That's why they have a problem when players like Herrera want to move to win trophies and experience a different league. Instead of being mature when this happens they get all bitter and hormonal about it.
If his price would indeed reach anything near the 50 million euro mark we should stay away. Put 10 on top of that and we could have Vidal.
Haha, I think you're right.
They rejected our bid. That's why we're triggering the clause.
The latter. Independent etc etc.
It's just procedure. No harm in that as long as it costs the club nothing. For all we know, the move was to help both Bilbao and the player save face. Bilbao can say they fought to keep the player and Herrera can say Bilbao forced him to trigger the clause.
I believe this is exactly the case. +1
It will never happen this deal
And I'm not sad about this
And I'm not sad about this
Or, funnily enough Herrera himself, being that he was bought by them.
Getting sick of these Bilbao cnuts.
TBF wasn't Herrera a free transfer?
Edit: My mistake, thought his contract had ran out at Zaragoza for some reason.
If they cared they'd just find middle ground. They're expenditure isn't going to be crazy like some clubs.
That's just the point, they're not selling him. He's buying himself out through his release clause. The funds for that will come from us. See Javi Martinez saga as reference. It's pure political posturing on their behalf as that's been their stance with all their players.
Between, why @Kevin hasn't come yet to tell us that he is delighted that the complications have happened.
well thats where guessing isnt it, if he was at carrigton(which we dont no), then we have to hope that we have an agreement allowing us to speak to him(which again we don't no)
if we have permission, no problem, but if we do have permission, bilbao seem pretty daft coming out and saying the deal was rejected, because if we have permission to speak to him, then bilbao must be be pretty resigned to losing him, in which case why tweet about thier been no deal.
honestly the hole thing a mess.
my personel current thinking is he wasn't at carrigton, as the story's of united been confident of signing him don't seem to be mentioning it, which tells you that they arnt convinced he was.
Complications!??? What has happened? Tell me that Woody has not fecked this up again?
He's only their player if he wants to stay their player. Like I say seems they haven't been open to negotiation.
Can we at least for once come out winning in negotiations? A kid could rob us selling lemonade.
Will the "political posturing" mean anything in the end? If he's buying his contract out, surely once he pays it there's nothing they can do but huff and puff.
They can'y drag this out too much can they?
They can'y drag this out too much can they?
If this deal doesn't go through I think I'll cry haha
It's more on the Bilbao side of things.
Yep, I'm also looking forward to seeing how Cleverley and Anderson perform next season. They'll be like new signings under a new manager!
It would seem that way to me.
What the hell am i reading? Soo many errors!
It means exactly that, huff and puff, bluster. Being awkward for the sake of being awkward.
Basque people have declared their indipendence and have called war on Spain and the rest of EU.
well he still is thier player, the spanish FA have to then come to a deal with bilbao, it sint as straight forward as going to the spanish FA and saying we want that player, the legal situation around that is an utter mess, and very complicated.
but as bilbao are currently paying his wages he is thier player.
Nothing has happened, we've had a bid rejected, the bid was a formality, we are gonna have to sign him via buyout clause now, and somehow get around the tax issues
So these Basquerds can buy players who meet their eligibilty as opposed to developing them but then act like we've taken a dump on their mother's grave when we try and buy one of them?
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