Well, they were the first to break the news for our interest on Herrera and that the transfer is going to happen soon.
Ander Herrera is a Manchester United Player!
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Bilbao did this with Martinez and were similarly stubborn with Llorente, preferring he left on a free transfer rather than receiving a transfer fee. That was in the season where he played back up coming off the bench as well.
Of course they could do with money. The irony being that if they were more open to selling players then they would have more available money to pay their best assets a higher wage, the very thing they are accusing Herrera of leaving for!
Wasn't he moved to back up because he tried to force the move?
Yep, they're twats. Probably not from their point of view cause they consider Bilbao as the Basque national team but still...
Because it's unilateral, they lose something without their consent. And it's a buy out clause.
I needed that.
People get overly aggressive. So many people ranting at that bilbao tweet.
If we want Herrera and he wants to move, its gonna come about. Bilbao may like it or not.
If we want Herrera and he wants to move, its gonna come about. Bilbao may like it or not.
It's there because the law demands it. You're forcing them to sell what they don't want to sell. It's a unilateral breach of contract, I don't expect that to be seen as friendly regardless of compensation paid. In football or in anywhere else.
I'm not judging United. Just looking at it from their point of view. It's pretty obvious they are not happy. Whether their behavior is ridiculous from a professional stand point it's a different matter, but I suppose they're more interested in appeasing their fans than in looking like a professional club to deal with. It keeps suitors aways from their players unless they really want them, and hence furthers their long-term goals.
Llorente? Yep, he spend quite a time on bench in his last year there. They could have got 20m from him if they weren't wankers.
Sure, but unilateral does tend to come after there is no bilateral.
If they were more open to selling their best players, they'd have no one to pay!
I think he turned down their contract offer in the summer, and then asked to move. When January came they blocked his move and let him move for free 6 months later.
Assuming he (or his rep) has been to the LFP he's probably already unilaterally terminated his contract with Athletic. The next step, removing his player registration from Athletic, prior to it being assigned to his new club, occurs when the payment is made to Athletic.
The reason we heard the "Friday" thing from AS etc may well be that Friday is the day when that payment is deemed to take place. With our money currently in the LFP's hands if Athletic have refused a direct payment from us.
The question of who owes Real Zaragosa the development payment, the 1.4m is one for the lawyers looking at the specific terms in his contract. Certainly the LFP can't allow the money to move until it's clear who is liable to pay them.
The reason we heard the "Friday" thing from AS etc may well be that Friday is the day when that payment is deemed to take place. With our money currently in the LFP's hands if Athletic have refused a direct payment from us.
The question of who owes Real Zaragosa the development payment, the 1.4m is one for the lawyers looking at the specific terms in his contract. Certainly the LFP can't allow the money to move until it's clear who is liable to pay them.
That was it, cheers.
im also no lawyer( i have a certificate to show im not a lawyer)Well, I'm no law expert. But I think there is no negotiation. You just trigger the clause by submitting the paperwork. Anyways if you don't like (a) then just assume it was (b )
but i understand with normal buy out fees, that is the case, but i don't think it is that simple when buying out a players contract/ getting him to breech his contract.
and i have no idea what you mean by the A or B thing, but that might be becuase legal talk hurts my head!!![/QUOTE]
They're headcases, slightly admirable but total headcases
That's definitely interesting.
Fair fecks to them, they stick by their rules hard, for better or worse.They're headcases, slightly admirable but total headcases
I guess Athletic probably missing out on that money is the reason for their childlike shenanigans on twitter today.
But €36 million is the release clause.
Yes, but what I'm saying is if you won't accept that the player wants to move and accept that you are getting a great offer (which they are) then this is what can happen. My beef is they act like the aggrieved party, when really it's just a business deal. Saying that, it is probably just posturing for their fans – like they can't see through it all though! A load of unnecessary b****ks basically.
They don't have to sell us anything if they don't want to, and they can be pissed if we force the decision. In a way it's a takeover.
They are smart though aren't they? Who in God's name will want to do business with them now in the future? This surely puts clubs off massively.
Don't worry the backup lawyers are ready, amigo.
Yeah totally. Players have too much power these days and I like clubs trying to take some of that back. More clubs should do it.
Its Herrera's release clause, which is why, if he pays it to the league. He can join.
Yes they can, but it's a pretty childish way to do business all in all.
Yeah, I just edited that in my post after you quoted it.
well bilbao are renowed for been difficult, i dunno if they they belive they can hang on to him, or are just making things difficult so they can get as much cash as possible and probably to try put other teams of trying to buy for them in the future.
what ever the case, i think that while he is offically thier player you have to respect that. can you imagine how up in arms we would be if one of our best players had a medical with another club with no deal in place? no matter what the circumstances we would be in uproar!!!
Calm down. It's not a 100% done deal, but it's not dead in the water yet. So far all the fuss is that Bilbao rejected an offer that matched the clause. It is likely United are now going through the buy out clause path. Just relax, grab some popcorn and wait and see.
To me it is simple. Both the player and the club agree a buy out clause. That tells you all you need to know already. Bilbao might not accept offers, but they agree buy out clauses with players and these players aren't foolish enough to put silly money clauses. So both sides are happy because both sides have their needs met.
We do now, even though they've done exactly this multiple times in the past.
Clubs won't care long as they land the players they're after.
It's not childish, we refused to sell Rooney to Chelsea that wasn't childish, wasn't it ?
we pretty much have, we've bid €36m on the off chance they accept it to save paperwork, obviously they rejected it so we carried on with the buyout clause way of doing it
Apparently, if Athletic accepts the offer, then they have to pay the 4% of it to Zaragosa, but if the player pays it then the player needs to give those money to Zaragosa *. So, basically Herrera will cost 36m EUR to Athletic and 1.4m EUR to Zaragosa. I don't think that the extra 1.4m should be a problem from our part.
* At least that was with Martinez case, when Bayern paid the 'unity'.
They agreed to the clause being 36m, they have nothing to be pissed about. Disappointed, fine, but not pissed.
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