If we cant get Kroos, I'd like herrera.
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Can we get both of them? Would prefer Herrera to that Portuguese player we're linked mainly because I haven't seen him playing ever, while Herrera has impressed me every time I have seen him playing.
The time for a second go at this was probably last December. Think that ship has sailed unfortunately.
Carvalho is a DM. Herrera is a playmaker. Its like not wanting Keane because you already got Scholes.
A midfield of Herrera-Kroos would work well IMO. Despite the labeling as 'DM', 'CM' etc they are all midfielders who can do a job bothe on defense and attack.
Herrera and Carvalho would work for me. Should have just coughed up last summer instead of getting Yao Ming.
I've watched him a lot this season. He's almost exclusively played as a number ten, but I still see him as a good all round CM. He doesn't stay overly high up the pitch and us regularly completes the highest or second highest number of passes. He's involved a lot in Athletic Club's overall play basically and is mobile, energetic and quite tenacious. Doesn't shirk a challenge and presses well. He isn't afraid to attempt the risky pass. He's exactly what we should have bought when we got Fellaini. We could still do with him now imo. I just don't see us pursuing him when Woodward said in UWS that we didn't value him as much as his clause. Which makes me question did they value Fellaini at £27.5m?
11 premier league goals from midfield in the his previous season with Everton?
Really was a huge error for the sake of a few million. At least over pay for a player that suits your style.
They weren't from midfield they were from behind the striker, where we were never going to play him.
Has there ever been any rumblings about this happening again though?
If it was a choice between him and this Carvalho kid I know I'd choose Herrera.
If it was a choice between him and this Carvalho kid I know I'd choose Herrera.
Precisely. But then I get the impression Moyes always wanted Fellaini. Which means I have little sympathy with him in regard to the current state of our midfield given that he might as well have flushed that £27.5m down the toilet.
Nope. He played as second striker last season.
We need competition/cover for a 33 year old Carrick. Thats what Carvalho brings.
Not that I'm aware of. People have just commented that apparently his clause goes up this summer to €40m but I thought it was similar last summer?
I haven't seen enough of Carvalho to comment or compare tbh but I really like Herrera.
I'm not discounting him, I'm just saying if it was a choice I'd take Herrera.
I think he'd have more impact in the short term and would be a more suitable partner for Carrick and Fellaini.
Exactly this. Of all the 'attacking central midfielder' type of players we have been linked with, Ander looks to me the most likely who has the diligence to play the most centrally.
From what I've seen from both of them, mind you not a lot from Carvalho, they are different types of players that may compliment well eachother rather than direct comparison between them.
They can well play in a midfield two as well.
I don't think we should be taking either of Fellaini and Carrick into account when buying our first choice midfielders. Fellaini's not good enough and Carrick is done as a first XI starter for me.
We're probably going to end up with just Carvalho aren't we? I'm all for signing him, but a creative midfielder is the main worry, ahead of the defensive mid. We have a few mid table players who could do a job as that. We don't even have relegation fodder creative midfielders (well because the only one we have is 40 year old Ryan Giggs)
It really wont. Kroos and Herrera are deep lying playmakers who would struggle against a quality and well organized midfield. May I remind you that even the great Barcelona need someone like Busquets to cover their quality players arse.
this. We dont play hoof the ball up to the big guy like Everton did during Moyes time.
Herrera isn't anywhere close to a deep-lying playmaker. He's almost the excact opposite in terms of style. His most important ability is arguably his capacity to move up and down the pitch and provide quality in the attacking third from midfield ffs.
He's a clever little player whose got super passing skills. Just because he's not slow as Carrick is that doesn't mean he's not a deep lying playmaker. Pirlo for example was a deep lying playmaker however his passing ability were/are second only to that of Scholes.
Have you honestly ever watched him?
A deep-lying playmaker? He's the most advanced midfielder at Athletic.
Herrera is not a deep lying playmaker.
So what? Pirlo was Italy national side most advanced CM when he was at his prime. Same as Scholes was. Being a deep lying playmaker doesn't necessary means sticking at the back and delivering passes. His best asset is his passing. He's not a particularly great defensively (although he's not shit in it) or in scoring goals. Hence why I think that a role as deep lying playmaker would be great for him
Being a deep lying playmaker is all about being a deep lying player, obviously. Hence the name.
I know precious little about this guy, but judging by how posters have described him this season, he seems to be quite inconsistent. I don't think we can carry someone like that as our main creative outlet in midfield. If he has a few off days we'd just be back to where we are now.
Herrera + Carvalho has a certain logic to it but also an astonishing level of risk. We'd have to pay £37m for Herrera but might persuade Sporting to accept £25m (possibly even less) for Carvalho. If we are intending to use Kagawa, Mata and Januzaj behind a central striker then the midfield balance will have to reflect the strengths and weaknesses of those 3 creative players.
I wouldn't really call him inconsistent and while I do not know the dynamics of the Bilbao team he gets shunted wide in midfield pretty often for whatever reason but when he's given the responsibility to play in his natural position, he is more than impressive on every occasion. He will be a very neat, dependable and tidy midfielder for a good manager who knows what he's doing in terms of tactics. He'd have solved a lot of our issues atleast against average opposition if he'd played for us with Carrick this season.
Maybe there's a misunderstanding here.
In the Serie A a deep lying playmaker is a playmaker who is able to share the defensive duties and would start deep only to attack with the team when attacking. Pirlo was like that and like Scholes he had an upbringing as a striker. An attacking minded playmaker is someone who is completely focused in attack and would barely know how to defend (ex JSV).
A box to box player is a jack of all trades. Someone who makes a nuisance of himself and assist both the DM and AM when needed. He can pass the ball just fine but he's not a playmaker.
devilish showing his "fantastic" football knowledge again.
GK 1 Gianluigi Buffon
RB 19 Gianluca Zambrotta Booked 5'
CB 5 Fabio Cannavaro (c)
CB 23 Marco Materazzi
LB 3 Fabio Grosso
CM 8 Gennaro Gattuso
CM 21 Andrea Pirlo
RW 16 Mauro Camoranesi Substituted off 86'
LW 20 Simone Perrotta Substituted off 61'
FW 10 Francesco Totti Substituted off 61'
CF 9 Luca Toni
Substitutions:
MF 4 Daniele De Rossi Substituted in 61'
FW 15 Vincenzo Iaquinta Substituted in 61'
FW 7 Alessandro Del Piero Substituted in 86'
Manager:
Marcello Lippi
This is the italian national side which won the world cup back in 2006. Now tell me who is the most advanced CM in this side (Pirlo or Gattuso).
If we wanted to play Kagawa and Mata ahead of the midfield, someone like Luiz Gustavo would be excellent. I haven't seen any of Carvalho so he could be a similar player but Herrera + Gustavo would be a very nice combo.
The correct answer is Totti (the AM). Both Gattuso and Pirlo are deep lying. Do you even watch football? How I wish moses would lose his patience with you...
Totti was never a midfielder. He's as much of a midfielder as the likes of Rooney and Del Piero were/are. Gattuso was behind Pirlo. Anyway Im not in the mood to talk with someone who constantly want others banned. If you think that Totti is a midfielder who am I to change your mind?.
I want you gone because I think you have no football knowledge and post like you do. If you genuinely believe Pirlo played as an advanced CM, I suggest you watch a game.
I said that when he was in his prime he was always the most advanced center midfielder (in front Gattuso). If you think Gattuso or Totti (who was a forward) were....well that's your opinion.
I'd even say that Pirlo was playing closer to the back four than Gattuso, who was used to chase around everyone.
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