Winks was nowhere near as good on the ball. Defensively he did a very good job winning it though
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Winks was nowhere near as good on the ball. Defensively he did a very good job winning it though
Winks was excellent on the ball - not quite sure what game you were watching to reach a different conclusion. He was very tricky to get the ball off and was key in spurs being able to pass out from the back and find Eriksen.
Alli was dangerous inside box but useless outside it and Son/Sissoko didn’t really help their possession - it was Winks and Eriksen who controlled the game for Spurs.
I was watching the one where Ander had 2 key passes, the most passes of our midfielders (2nd in the team behind Shaw), 88% pass accuracy and 2 dribbles while
Winks had 0 key passes, the least passes of Spurs midfielders other than Sissoko who played half as many minutes (11 most in the team), 97.8% accuracy and 0 dribbles. He also had 3 poor shots all off target.
You also completely forgot the most important part. We didnt want to control the game, we wanted Spurs to come forward so we could steal the ball and break on them which is how we won the game. Despite that Winks played 1 more pass than Ander.
Yes but you're trying to say Winks was nowhere near as good when Winks played one more pass than Ander and it is not like I am arguing Ander was inferior - far from it. Secondly, Wink's game is not to play key passes - that is for Eriksen and Alli to do... his role is to feed the ball into them which he did very effectively. Another aspect of the game which isn't quite captured by stats is how good Winks was in carrying the ball under pressure, his dribbling was excellent and he was very press-resistant.
It is possible for both Ander and Winks to both have had good performances in the same game.
Superb game from Herrera
It will be bad news if he doesn't stay.
It will be bad news if he doesn't stay.
Because Spurs dominated the ball, as was the plan for both sides. If we had more of the ball we couldnt counter. So that was never something we wanted
Winks didnt beat anyone in this match. I'd agree normally thats one of his best things but it didnt happen against us.
He was easily my MOTM if it wasn’t for David. If we can have a solid rotational player for Matic we can easily have the top 3, maybe 2 midfield in the prem.
His touch is reliable bordering on excellent. His energy and positional play is amazing. Doesn’t have the most amazing passing ability but his short passing is good. Been the unsung hero of the Ole era.
His touch is reliable bordering on excellent. His energy and positional play is amazing. Doesn’t have the most amazing passing ability but his short passing is good. Been the unsung hero of the Ole era.
Agreed, but our game plan also consisted of doing the occasional high press or win balls in midfield and counter rapidly. To Wink's credit, he often beat the press and was not sloppy on the ball. He and Eriksen were excellent IMO.
He wasnt sloppy no. Winks had a fairly good game in the breaking up play and playing simple passes sideways role.
Just nowhere near as good as Ander was on the ball in this game imo. Ander was better than he normally is on the ball. Its rare we see him taking on players and he went past a few with ease and he doesnt always play penetrating passes, but he found a few against Spurs.
Colossal yesterday. Give him Man of the Match, even with Dave being so good.
Big Match Ander!
Think his ability on the ball is often underrated. His move to create that chance for Lukaku was beautiful. Been underused criminally in the last 4 or so years.
Think his ability on the ball is often underrated. His move to create that chance for Lukaku was beautiful. Been underused criminally in the last 4 or so years.
Never really been sure on Winks, but I think he swayed me on yesterdays performance. Thought he was really good.
Personally as an England fan I think he’s the man for our midfield problems - he’s much more talented than Henderson or Dier.
Closest player to Keane we had in terms of a pure box to box player, some will say Flech, but I think Ander is capable of giving a more allround performance.
Hopefully he gets another call up to Spain again, more then capable of getting into the current squad
Hopefully he gets another call up to Spain again, more then capable of getting into the current squad
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I dont want to be over critical of a striker (lukaku) but thats the one thing City do (ugh) really well, creating easy chances / tap ins for others. I really do think Lukaku could have found Dalot.
He was fantastic. Probably our best outfield player against Spurs. I think he could easily succeed Matic as the DM.
I think You misunderstood me. My initial post had the same exact point - he has changed under Ole and You can clearly see that he's trying to get the ball forward more than ever. He did that many times during Spurs game and even took players comfortably on.
The post You quoted, was me saying how he was playing under Mourinho.
Below You'll find my initial post after the game.
At loss of words - he was incredible today.
Last game that came close to this match, was his performance against Chelsea, where he was man-marking Hazard.
Didn't put a wrong foot in. Even in the last minutes, he was still trying to bomb forward and try to start something, hence the cramp.
He's definetely up there as one of the most transformed players under Ole. I used to get so irritated with him, because he always chose the easy way out and pass backwards or sideways, but You can clearly see that the Ole's ''move the ball forward'' tactic has worked wonders with him. He shows more confidence in taking players on and always trying to look for that pass forward.
Hope he can keep this up.
He's had some very good seasons here and for some reason he always got dropped the following season. I've always liked Ander, he may not have the ability some of the other guys have but he always puts 100% effort in. Honestly feel like he has been wasted and to some extent treated a bit unfairly by previous managers, has carried himself well over that time. Last few weeks he's been up there as one of our best players, pretty much always turns up for the big game too
I think You misunderstood me. My initial post had the same exact point - he has changed under Ole and You can clearly see that he's trying to get the ball forward more than ever. He did that many times during Spurs game and even took players comfortably on.
The post You quoted, was me saying how he was playing under Mourinho.
Below You'll find my initial post after the game.
Ah okay. Yeah I mistook your post for talking about the Spurs match, my bad
For me, our most important player outside of DeGea. Notice I didn't say best player.
His presence provides Pogba with the freedom to go out and do his thing, very similar to Vidal when Pogba was in the Juve side. He also provides excellent cover for Matic, who gets pulled out more often than he should.
He was absolutely immense against Spurs and it's good to see the stats match up with the eye test. Many times that doesn't happen.
His presence provides Pogba with the freedom to go out and do his thing, very similar to Vidal when Pogba was in the Juve side. He also provides excellent cover for Matic, who gets pulled out more often than he should.
He was absolutely immense against Spurs and it's good to see the stats match up with the eye test. Many times that doesn't happen.
I haven't the slightest idea why he hasn't had his contract extended. Arguably our most important midfielder after being Pogba and his contract expires in the summer.
It's like having a new player. LVG's and Mourinho's safety first approach properly fecked up what should have been the best years of his career. Our most important outfield player after Pogba.
He clearly isn't as attached to the club as some fans make out. There really is no other reason.
Extend his contract and Just make this man captain theres nobody better to give the captaincy to.
Very good performance overall
Exactly this. What the hell was the from Lukaku. He drags it in and then a simple pass to Dalot, he might score or might not, but at least we have a good chance. Lukaku is good but in a limited way. I was very excited when we signed him but that has gone down now
What was Lukaku doing there? Would have been a nice goal
One of my favourite United players of all time. Always give 100%. The United way. Sad he was dropped with Matic joining United. He was doing very well before that. He has a new life now under Ole, fully deserves it.
Fred is no way near Herrera's level. He has a lot to learn from Herrera and lots of catch up to do before he can break into first team.
One of my favourite United players of all time. Always give 100%. The United way. Sad he was dropped with Matic joining United. He was doing very well before that. He has a new life now under Ole, fully deserves it.
Fred is no way near Herrera's level. He has a lot to learn from Herrera and lots of catch up to do before he can break into first team.
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M.E.N. suggests Ander is closing in on a new contract and negotiations are currently in progress.
If so, thoroughly deserved. He plays with absolute passion and pride for the shirt. A true United player and I'll be thrilled if he signs.
If so, thoroughly deserved. He plays with absolute passion and pride for the shirt. A true United player and I'll be thrilled if he signs.
This.
I'm guessing that he's waiting to make sure he'll actually play enough. A couple of weeks where it's looked good under Ole doesn't negate the last 18 months where he's basically been warming the bench. Also makes it a bit harder that he doesn't know who the next manager will be and whether it'll be another occasion that he's dropped quite unfairly. Also the fact that he's been on the bench for the last 18 months means the club could be low-balling him on the contract offer.
If he knew he'd be playing most matches I'm fairly certain he'd sign.
Do we have a history of extending randomly during a season? (serious question, I cant even remember).
But at the same time, as much as I love united, if I was in his position, id be wanting to maximise my income and not just take any offer given.
Warrior
Or, get this, contract negotiations with no set time frame can take time to complete.
Players often don't have a clue what stage they're at because they've got people that do it for them.
The players "don't have a clue" is the biggest myth in football. They will be in regular contact with their agents. The agent will not be negotiating without knowledge of what the player wants. If the player wanted it sorted out quickly, it would have been done quickly. The player may not know the precise stage of negotiation, but make no mistake, the player will always have some idea of how far along the negotiations have gone.
The fact that Herrera is willing to enter the final 6 months of his contract and is free to talk to other clubs, suggest he is happy for his agent to carry on negotiating. He, as well as the agent, probably believes this gives them a stronger negotiating hand. But it also leads to some, admittedly small, risk that the club will eventually stop negotiating and he will have to find another club.
The tone in my original point, which I think you've missed, stems from the fact that Herrera is absolutely worshiped by fans for playing for the shirt. Yet this idea is not compatible with the fact that he is willing to risk leaving the club by trying to negotiate, through his agent, for more money. I'm not suggesting there is anything wrong with this but I find it interesting how this sort of issue was almost unheard of at our club under Fergie, except for Rooney. Even in that situation, there is an argument to be made that Fergie wanted Rooney gone because he saw the decline.
Nowadays, this endless negotiation, is happening for every player, at every club. The posturing does my head in because they are already paid huge amounts of money, and yet there remains an element of greed to want more. I do have an element of impatience because he is free to talk to other clubs and with his quality, there will be no shortage of suitors. What frustrates me is that in the end, we will probably cave into demands and pay him a wage which far exceeds his ability. This will perpetuate our very recent problem with contract renewals and inflated wages at our club.
The agent is not talking to the player about every detail that goes on. What happens is that the club wants to extend, agent talks with player if he's interested in extending and if yes then they'll talk. During the talks the player isn't bothered by the details, he's paying a person to do all that for him. He knows what's the minimum offer he'd like to take so he need not be bothered.
This is exactly why I stated the player will not know the precise details. But the suggestion that the player doesn't have a clue is wrong. The player will still have some idea of what is going on. In fact, the agent will often have a very close relationship with the player and their families:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/10231273/The-truth-about-football-agents.html
Always loved Hererra, he is criminally underrated by a lot of our fans for some reason.
Hope he gets a new contract.
Hope he gets a new contract.
Already suggested by many, but criminally under used over the last 3 seasons. He won our player of the season prior to that and out of nowhere just got dropped. Madness. I’ve always preferred him to playing and love his enthusiasm for the club
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