We used to laugh at the Arsenal players for doing things like that.
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We used to laugh at the Arsenal players for doing things like that.
We also used to laugh at them for bottling opportunities to apply pressure on rivals like we had today
We did. And we're worse than them now, we can't even get into top four.
Worked harder than anybody in a red shirt today. I'm disappointed like everyone else today with the result and our ability to break down a team like Hull but frankly I can't find too much fault in Herrera. He's always winning possession back, looking for meaningful one-twos, trying to link the defense with attack and can only be accused of being a little over-ambitious with some of his shot choices.
Just look at this thread.
Without doubt but we will need better than him if we really want to be a top team again. Great option and fantastic squad player but as a regular he's lacking.
He did his job today, created 2 chances, saved our ass with tracking back Hernandez.
He's doing his job as he's supposed to, interception defensively and occasionally creating offensively. His role is to be backup for Pogba.
Can we do better? Yes ofc, but problem isn't really in him, the other players aren't showing up.
He's doing his job as he's supposed to, interception defensively and occasionally creating offensively. His role is to be backup for Pogba.
Can we do better? Yes ofc, but problem isn't really in him, the other players aren't showing up.
feck me squad player, he's our player of the season and will always need to prove himself because ppl like you who just seem to know very little argue about his ability. He's winning possession in every game at least 5 or 6 times which is comfortably the best in the league for a midfielder and alone is enough to be called one of the best defensive midfielders in the league. I don't know what else is he supposed to do from a defensive midfielder with a restricted role just to let Pogba play his game. Maybe it's just because ppl still think of him as some sort of creative midfielder who should create chances score goals etc.. maybe ppl dont understand the game of football which is a team game with 11 players a side with different roles and different style of play within roles.
The game against Wigan, he got an assist btw and yesterday while fulfilling his defensive duties 120% like always he created a couple of chances and put in a few decent crosses, something which feels like the hardest job for some of our wing players too.
Herrera is definitely fine player to start for a top team and if players around him played to their standards, this bullshit talk about him being just a squad player wouldn't even exist, this blame game is just childish. How about upgrading Pogba or Mhkytaran who seem to have good little spells but failed to deliver more often than not in this season.
We play with no leftback, wingers totally out of form, at least one midfielder often underperforms, certainly not Herrera etc. yet you come to say that we need upgrade on Herrera, get a grip
I don't see much difference between Herrera and Henderson tbh.
Been saying that, and it's painfully obvious. He will be a squad player by this time next year.
Reading through the last page and a half and just 
because I was actually arguing with someone here a couple of days ago who said he was miles better than Kante.
Solid player but nothing more.
because I was actually arguing with someone here a couple of days ago who said he was miles better than Kante.Solid player but nothing more.
Ander is unfortunate that he is playing in a not particularly good side. If he would have played for Fergie everyone would be singing his praises. He might be a squad player, but we have had plenty of them in the past who people quite happily call legends and would not get near a Barcelone/Real side. For all you saying we will get better players, the best midfielders get snapped up by Real/Barcelona/Juventus/Bayern/PSG even City and Chelsea could jump in for players. German sides even grab any young player we fancy. People might have to wind their necks in a realise not everyone sees us as the be all and end all. Ander has not been great, but has improved greatly from last season. Our problem is up front and the constant chopping and changing of the forward line. If we were scoring then nobody would be looking at the midfield. The defence and midfield are not the problem.
Also about his tweet/facebook entry. Players cannot win here. If they say sorry they get criticised. If they don't people say they don't give a damn.
Also about his tweet/facebook entry. Players cannot win here. If they say sorry they get criticised. If they don't people say they don't give a damn.
The team Herrera has scored most goals against is Barcelona so there's one difference at least.
Henderson is average. Herrera is better than he is for sure.
No, they are both the exact same. A good engine with limited technical abilities. Passing is pretty equal, both can only pass sideways or backwards whenever they are pressed. Both are good defensively but offer little going forward. United could replace Herrera with Henderson for the rest of the season, and nobody would notice a significant difference.
Henderson has a better shot from distance though.
they are different players, palying restricted/limited role to accomodate others, I just don't understand why ppl start to think that some players can only pass sideways or backwards, what a nonsense in case of herrera and handerson too, they just have players around them so they need to keep it tidy, Pogba has a freerole and fantastic passing range, pretty lazy on turn and defensively, Carrick great passer but 35 slow on turn too, there's no need and there's on contrary must to have players to add your team balance and tempo, if everyone tried to make the play with long passes, the team would probably lose the ball far too often and would lose control, you don't want that, they are players who are setting the tempo and Herrera is great one touch player which is very underestimated too
And I don't watch Henderson that much he's bit like Carrick but worse passer and better mobility in terms of how he moves, he's not exactly quick on turn but he gives his team a little bit of calmness and setting the tempo, tehy are all pressing high up the pitch they, don't need another hollywood passer there either..
And I'd think this is pretty simple to understand, everyone has it's role and it's a team game... it's like to think that Messi can't shoot from range, or that Carrick doesnt have a good long range shot, Messi's playmaking linking everything up dribbling around, finishing, looking for the final pass rather than just trying to shoot from range, Carrick is there to keep it simple and pass it around finding that pass
Totally agree. Unfortunately we seem to be in the minority on here.
People will soon realize Herrera is also average.
I'd upgrade the other two players in the midfield before I did Herrera, and yes that includes Pogba. One guy on the team that you can count on week in week out. Could do better with his long range shots and passes; that would truly make him world class.
I like how we need to upgrade on Herrera in the summer but yet he is probably our best player this season, which means we need to upgrade on 10 players before him too.
He's fine - his biggest problem is his shooting technique... looked much better and composed last year. He is being asked to play and stay in CM and allow Pogba to do the creating so ot sure why ppl are criticising him for that. He's shown before he can more than play a through ball - shame the one he tried last night was cut out.
What an arrogant post from you m1y2 maybe just maybe do you ever stop to think it is you who perhaps knows less about football?
Herrera is not our player of the year that would be Valencia plus Herrera has been underwhelming since signing. He struggles to pass outside a 15-20 yards range and goes missing when we are struggling.
Defensively he's all over the shop and as a number six he's lost when played there.
He does run about a lot and makes a lot of interceptions but he has to little in his game imho to be a starter for a top team. He limits us with his limited skill set we need better.
think his shooting is fine, he's just a bit unlucky lately - this season, quite a lot of his shots were blocked and he had some howlers too but usually from tough positions, being under pressure, mostly volleys. He's one of those players who from 9/10 shots doesn't sky it if given time to shoot, but he's closed down quickly I am sure he scores goals from range on training for fun. I think he's starting to feel little bit pressure, and omg if he read redcafe, he'd be totally fecked. with every other attempt he's crucified more and more but he should be definitely trying, nothing wrong with that. Ppl should stop moan about that.
Shame about that pass yesterday, that was a typical Herrera play at his best, he stopped one of the opposition passes in the middle of the park set the counter and with his quickly thinking tried to release the pass when the game opened, that was a great interception from their player
what an utter nonsense, you just sound bitter. Nobody denies Herrera had a slow start to his United career, why are you mentioning this? Many different players suffered under LVG if you remember, he's having a great season under a manager who make sense and if not the best player, it's hard to argue that Valencia is not there too, certainly the best midfielder for us so far and it's other players who we need to upgrade, because he s certainly not underperforming, and when you look at the big games the margin is even bigger but you'd have to open your eyes and let the bias aside.
cheer up
Herrera is better in technical ability than Henderson. Both of them are actually decent box to box but the managers force them to play as a defensive midfielder. Herrera is Henderson with technical ability. To say Henderson has a better shot from distance is actually not true, both of them are equally bad with it.
He's been invisible for a while now. Terrible form.
He must be on the bench. He has been very poor for several games...the worst player on the pitch again !
He's a victim of the Football Manager mentality where some people think you need the world's best player in every position. He's an incredibly tidy, technically adept player who is good at cleaning things up in midfield and freeing the others around him to do what they do. That's what Mourinho has obviously asked him to do and he's very good at it. People expecting defence splitting passes every game are going to be disappointed.
Most of the big teams over recent years have had players worse than Herrera in the lineups.
Most of the big teams over recent years have had players worse than Herrera in the lineups.
I'm cheerful its blind faith like yours that needs addressed. Yes he's a decent player but that's it. Pogba has had a better season but then price tags won't dictate this. Herrera is not the first change we need to make granted but imo he won't be a first pick as we need better.
Wayne Rooney was a lot worse, so stop putting the boot in for the worse of it. If the forwards had done better he would have been involved in a couple of goals and actually prevented a goal for them as well. Don't let facts get in the way of your hatred.
The worst player on the pitch?
Shit, I need to go ask for a refund on the laser eye surgery I had a year ago. I'm clearly watching a different match than most others.
I can think of a few of our players who were much worse.
Shit, I need to go ask for a refund on the laser eye surgery I had a year ago. I'm clearly watching a different match than most others.
I can think of a few of our players who were much worse.
I mentioned Rooney, Mhki was awful, Ibra couldn't hit the target and that is his job. The forwards were worse than the midfield because they were getting chances and did not do their job, which is scoring goals. Smalling is scary. Carrick has not been good for a while, but obviously him and Pogba not playing well is all Herrera's fault.
It's like some people don't even watch the game. It's quite the opposite, when we are struggling, he's the one that steps up, every bloody time.
And his lack of passing is always leveled at him despite him pulling off two or three great passes a match, it's like you literally don't watch him.
Aye, when your team dominates the oppo and the ball, consigns them to minimal number of chances but yet still manages to somehow fluff all your own chances to draw 0-0, the very last person I'd look at on the pitch is the DM.
Most interceptions in the premier league this season. People will wax lyrical in the Kante thread about the most tackles but will underplay Herreras work our own player. Worst player on the pitch? Seriously?
I think he has been great for 3/4 of the season, probably up until just before the Liverpool game. He was harrying all over the pitch and being so effective in the three with Pogba and Carrick. I think he has has been poor the last month or so but I think all three players mentioned have been poor, so I think it is more of a collective issue between the three of them rather than them all just being poor individually. But he does need to get back to what he was like at his best this season, no question. We need it.
This is so inaccurate.
I normally agree with stuff you say but this just ismt true.
Again this is just
I think some of the posters who rate Herrera highly and think he would be integral part of first team in coming seasons might be in for a disappointment. If rumours of Griezmann joining United are true then we would certainly shift to 4231 formation with another midfielder coming in to partner Pogba in midfield of two because Herrera may be just about competent in midfield 3 but he is no way good enough to play as defensive midfielder in the midfield of 2.
Except that was exactly where he played in his impressive performances earlier in the season.
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