Honestly, would like to see him, Morgan and Pogba become a midfield three. But the elephant captain in the room means we play 4231.
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Mourinho played it at Chelsea also, and Rooney wasn't there. Plus I doubt Herrera will ever become a starter anyway
I hope he gets an honest shot at locking down a first XI spot. Far as I'm concerned, only Pogba gets to have guaranteed minutes from your CMs.
Pogba - x
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First x should be a toss up between Herrera, Lingard and Rooney depending on the situation
The CDM should ideally be Carrick, but since he can't play every game, it should be rotated with Schneidi and TFM, and Blind if the occasion calls for it
Pogba's sub can be any of Herrera, Lingard, Rooney or even TFM and Pereira
Pogba - x
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First x should be a toss up between Herrera, Lingard and Rooney depending on the situation
The CDM should ideally be Carrick, but since he can't play every game, it should be rotated with Schneidi and TFM, and Blind if the occasion calls for it
Pogba's sub can be any of Herrera, Lingard, Rooney or even TFM and Pereira
A bit disappointed by his development at the club. He showed promise here and there but for whatever reasons, he hasn't manage to cement his place and probably won't this season.
I think van Gaal really hampered his development with us. Many times he had good games or contributed with goals from midfield and then he'd find himself out of the team. Admittedly last season he was poor but it didn't help with van Gaal not playing him consistently.
I feel a 3 of Pogba, Schneiderlin and Herrera has a good balance and high energy but as most of us are saying, it seems like we'll stick with a 4-2-3-1 with Pogba playing the #8 role from deep
I feel a 3 of Pogba, Schneiderlin and Herrera has a good balance and high energy but as most of us are saying, it seems like we'll stick with a 4-2-3-1 with Pogba playing the #8 role from deep
I think the symptoms of devangling showed against leicester. Im sure he can turn it around, still think he's very talented.
Surely there is no doubting this? He literally came out in an article and said LVG had told him he was playing the wrong way and that he must train specifically how he wanted him to. You would probably have Herrera as the chief example of a prototypical "vangling".
In his first games, he used to be very direct, positive and forward thinking. Just remember the games he played with Mata on the side, he was brilliant. Things changed and he plays so often the safe, backward pass. As Jose said, it's in the heads of the players and needs time to get rid
That's because he was drifting off position and this caused us to be weaker defensively. Van gaal merely told him to stop running behind the ball and leave gaps. I wouldn't imagine mourinho allowing him to leave gaps either.
Why not? He had a good first season but did not build on that in his second which isn't surprising at all given how that season went. I would not judge any of our players based on 15-16 campaign and this extends to Darmian and Schneiderlin who are also much better than they showed last season.
Hope he gets a fair look this season. If he makes the best of it, he could be a starter, if he doesn't it might be time to cut our losses at the end of season.
He was good even very good in 4-3-3 first season,that right side triangle with Mata and Valencia was working well. Last season we switched to 4-2-3-1 nonsense and he just cant do it in midfield 2.
Also told him to stop first time shooting and dribbling and playing through passes.....
The difference though, is that at Chelsea, he had that specialist anchor man in Matic, which I feel is vital in order to make 4-2-3-1 a success. The only one we have is Carrick and his is on his last legs unfortunately.
I'd presume Mourinho's a pretty smart guy, who has a familiarity of more than one formation. Didn't he play a traditional 4-3-3 at Real Madrid?
Looking at the quality and abilities of our current midfield options; it's very obvious to anyone who has a decent notion about football that 4-3-3 is the most suited formation.
If mourinho felt that the best option is 4-3-3 he would play it. He could play Rooney as the furthest in a midfield 3 (which is more or less a no.10 with more defensive workrate- which is what Rooney is used to in any case)
http://m.goal.com/s/en/news/9/engli...van-gaal-got-angry-with-my-style-says-herrera
He doesn't mention anything about shooting here. Herrera had his best scoring season under van gaal anyway so I'm guessing even if he did say anything about shooting it probably worked. I'm not sure he said not to play through passes too.
Massively under appreciated. He's now our second best midfielder for me.
It is actually amazing we managed to score any goals last season.
Think Ander, as we saw the other day will be rotated between 10 and 8, depending on how the game is going.
He has the energy and grit to allow us to see out a game. Very good option to have.
I think Mata will suffer because of this, though.
He has the energy and grit to allow us to see out a game. Very good option to have.
I think Mata will suffer because of this, though.
I like him but he simply hasn't done anything to justify it.
He has. And scoring goals is one aspect which he brought to us in the first season. He will definitely be an asset this year ...
One of my favourite players at the club, genuinely loves the club and the passion he illustrates is second to none, but he has disappointed for us. Think Jose can get him back on track because I genuinely believe there is a top player in there, probably his last chance to prove it.
sadly after his exclusion at the expense of Fellaini could give you some hint that he's never gonna start this season, he will be used as a squad player as a back up for Pogba, even after a great game against Everton, Mou started the big man ahead of him so you can see his clear intensions...
As somebody said midfield three of Schneiderlin as 6 and Herrera and Pogba as no8s would be well balanced but it will never happen as it will take another year to kick out rooney and will definitely stick with 35years old Carrick, I can sadly see Pogba being given too much defensive work because of the two sloths (Carrick - Rooney) starting next to him, we might get overrun in some games so hopefully Schneiderlin gets his fair chance to start alongside Pogba too..
well maybe it's just too early to say such stuff but it's a bit worrying to say the least, hopefully Pogba will have an effect we all expect him to have
As somebody said midfield three of Schneiderlin as 6 and Herrera and Pogba as no8s would be well balanced but it will never happen as it will take another year to kick out rooney and will definitely stick with 35years old Carrick, I can sadly see Pogba being given too much defensive work because of the two sloths (Carrick - Rooney) starting next to him, we might get overrun in some games so hopefully Schneiderlin gets his fair chance to start alongside Pogba too..
well maybe it's just too early to say such stuff but it's a bit worrying to say the least, hopefully Pogba will have an effect we all expect him to have
Not saying he won't. But he hasn't done anything to say he's more important than Carrick or Fallaini. I'm not even a Fellaini fan.
I believe it was to do with pressing the ball instinctively in areas that Van Gaal didn't want and ultimately chasing after it when LVG did not want him to. Completely opposite to the player he was at Bilbao.
Yeah. Anyone who watched him at Bilboa would know that he's best suited to a high octane/energy, pressing, pass and move side. That's basically the antithesis of a van Gaal side in fairness. So if anyone was going to need to adapt, tailor their game and suffer, as a result, Herrera was most likely always going to be one of the most affected.
I have hopes that he can work well with Pogba (when/if Rooney is dropped) but you can't really say he's been hard done by if he doesn't start many matches because you need to take your chances and last season he didn't. But yeah, it'd be great if he's given a good chance to cement his place in the team.
During his Bilboa days, he was often rated as one of the best midfielders outside of the big 2, in la liga. So he has the talent. He just needs to showcase it and be given the platform to do so.
Edit: Basically what @Perrick Dubois said above as well. At Bilboa everyone pressed and charged. LvG's system was much more rigid.
I like Herrera, his desire to play for the club is unquestionable and he can be a real asset going forward.
I just have a hard time with his impetuous nature. At 26, he should've cut that from his game. It cost us on more than one occasion last season. There is no need for him to continually concede cheap fouls in dangerous areas that put the defence under pressure. No need at all.
I just have a hard time with his impetuous nature. At 26, he should've cut that from his game. It cost us on more than one occasion last season. There is no need for him to continually concede cheap fouls in dangerous areas that put the defence under pressure. No need at all.
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I think he's better at football than Carrick and Felliani is.
He might not have set the world alight in Manchester (the team as a whole hasn't either) but he was a fundamental piece to some of the better football we played under LvG when he was used in a 4-3-3. If he can recapture that form and be allowed more freedom to play (LVG was much more structured) he'll be a huge asset for Jose and the team.
I also think he's more talented Han those two and is a better footballer. But he hasn't shown it. That is my point.
He has in fits and spurts at United and he did while in Spain. You must have seen it otherwise why do you think he's more talented?
I assume you mean at this point in their careers? And even that is very debatable IMO.
This, I mean I love the guy to death and would love to see him play every week but he hasn't exactly taken his chances when he gets them. Underappreciated for doing what exactly?
Van Gaal himself said that he restricted him from shooting without taking another touch first and he kissed Herrera when he took another touch before scoring a goal
Van Gaal told MUTV: "He has a very good kicking technique and he should only be more composed.
"I said to him 'you have to control the ball before you shoot'.
"I said that to him again in yesterday's training session, and then I kissed him at half-time because he had controlled the ball for the first time in his life and then he shot!
Of course at this point in their careers. What good would be talking about the Carrick of yesteryear...
Underappreciated as a footballer.
And the team hasn't turned up over the last 2 years on a whole. But Herrera was in the first team when LvG got the team playing some fantastic football and in my opinion Herrera was a factor in that.
If it wasn't for him might not have gotten that 2nd goal against Leicester. Blind passed it right to Mahrez, then Herrera made the interception and two passes and a cross later Ibra put it in the back of the net
This doesn't seem like a bad advice at all. This kind of advice should have made him a better player and not a worse player as was alluded to in the 'he was vangled' comments.
Pressing the ball wouldn't leave gaps. Or rather it shouldn't. Not to mention Being in your position is key for possession based system and guys like guardiola are worse than van gaal when it comes to players being in positions. Even mourinho would hardly be happy with a player chasing after the ball on the pretext of pressing and leave gaps that could make the team vulnerable.
This advice seems to be something that most managers would give. But then that's the point though is it? If he is really good surely he should be able to make minor modifications like that and still thrive. You can't really give the excuse that he isn't played in the same way as he was at Bilbao. If he can't adapt the ways of a manager and still be good enough then maybe he isn't good enough in the first place?
Once Carrick went off from the team, we lost the next 3 games. Clearly the most important cog was Carrick
Huh? I said Herrera was a factor, not the most important one...
He was a factor the same way Rooney, Fellaini, Blind, Young, Valencia were. If he is underappreciated then are all of them too?
I would really like to see Herrera given a chance to partner Pogba in a 3 man midfeild with Carrick in DM behind them. With us hopefully moving the ball a bit quicker this season we need someone agile who can pass and move and create going forward but also track back and put themselves about when needed. Herrera has the attributes to do that and I think he would work really well in his system.
If we play the likes of Schniedelin in there I feel we would be to immobile and static. The other options are Rooney and Fellaini and they are not good enough.
If we play the likes of Schniedelin in there I feel we would be to immobile and static. The other options are Rooney and Fellaini and they are not good enough.
If we ever went to 4-2-4.
I would play Pogba with Herrera in midfield.
I would play Pogba with Herrera in midfield.
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