Herrera is the sort of player who won't leave for a club like Barca or Real after all the things we did to him. He also loves it here, best buds with Mata and De Gea so hopefully they stay for as long as possible.
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Herrera is the sort of player who won't leave for a club like Barca or Real after all the things we did to him. He also loves it here, best buds with Mata and De Gea so hopefully they stay for as long as possible.
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Not really. However, they do worry that as there's a lack of case law in the tax courts, so the rules might be interpreted differently next year. Hence when you use the release clause formally you end up paying even more expensive legal fees than normal and may decide to put an indemnity (or legal insurance) in place.
The main reason they avoid it is that it's considered to be rather undignified, a kind of bullying, so they prefer to be seen negotiate. They usually do have something of value to offer the other club as well. Both clubs have big youth systems so they can often offer a player on loan, or preferential terms on a sale to sweeten the deal. But however it gets dressed up, it's really just a matter of valuations.
Basically it comes down to money and with Athletic, because they only take Basque players, there aren't normally any tempting bonuses like player loan deals that can be offered.
At any rate, it doesn't matter, because we're the ones who actually paid the money and bought him. I was thinking about that the other day, watching Herrera and Mata, Woodward must be relieved!
Not really. However, they do worry that as there's a lack of case law in the tax courts, so the rules might be interpreted differently next year. Hence when you use the release clause formally you end up paying even more expensive legal fees than normal and may decide to put an indemnity (or legal insurance) in place.
The main reason they avoid it is that it's considered to be rather undignified, a kind of bullying, so they prefer to be seen negotiate. They usually do have something of value to offer the other club as well. Both clubs have big youth systems so they can often offer a player on loan, or preferential terms on a sale to sweeten the deal. But however it gets dressed up, it's really just a matter of valuations.
Basically it comes down to money and with Athletic, because they only take Basque players, there aren't normally any tempting bonuses like player loan deals that can be offered.
At any rate, it doesn't matter, because we're the ones who actually paid the money and bought him. I was thinking about that the other day, watching Herrera and Mata, Woodward must be relieved!
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Ander made EA Sports' FIFA team of the week.
Barcelona can (not so) kindly feck off!
Agreed. At least he's been singing about staying at united for many years, lets see how quick that turns around given their interest if its true, haha! Love the guy though - the new Hernandez personality wise!
I think Dani Parejo would be a good alternative for Barcelona instead of Ander. There's not a great deal between them but generally he's more of the controlling/accurate passing type that fits into Barcelona's philosophy and im sure he'd be cheaper than Ander from us.
I can think of a few names, Koke being one of them. They won't sell to Real so Barca have a good chance of landing him for cheaper than Herrera.
What is Jagielka doing there? Surely there was a better CB performance. How can Alex Teixeira be better defensively than Ander? That is a joke
5 years time, he can play for England. He would still be good at 30 and besides Spain don't need him but England sure do especially when Carrick retires. 
tbf he would be perfect player to their system, could help them hunt the ball high up the pitch and win it, perfect for the fluid combination, but yeah they can feck off or you can have him for 500m - the price for the best player in the team..
He's so huggable.
Just when you start really enjoying new characters in United some feckin Spanish twat comes immediately with an offer.
This shit needs to stop at this club or we're going nowhere with everything.
This shit needs to stop at this club or we're going nowhere with everything.
Fu.king Barcelona. Hate them and Madrid. Fu.k off.
There is not really much you can do as a club when Barcelona and Madrid come knocking at your door. When you shine as a player at a club like United, the exposure will be immense ( in comparison to Athletic Bilbao) and therefore it comes with the territory that other clubs will sniff around.
He can't play for England, he's already played for the under-21s.5 years time, he can play for England. He would still be good at 30 and besides Spain don't need him but England sure do especially when Carrick retires.
That statement should never apply to a club like Manchester United.
He's recently stated that he's gonna be here for years, so chill out.
As long as he's a starter he won't go anywhere - feck around benching him in order to shunt Rooney into midfield and he'd probably start considering his options, as he should.
As long as he's a starter he won't go anywhere - feck around benching him in order to shunt Rooney into midfield and he'd probably start considering his options, as he should.
Is that the rules now. I thought you have to play for the senior team first.
Yes he can. But he won't.
I really doubt Koke would be available for cheaper
Of course, with Dyke there, its unfathomable. Besides, its best that way, other nations do it but I wouldn't go down that road not unless we we were really shit.
Exactly, we're not Spurs or something...
This!
Exactly. If this thing of selling players to Real and Barca becomes regular then we're setting a very dangerous precedent and sending out wrong signals. We'd become a feeder club for big clubs, like Arsenal has been in recent years.
Only one offer from Barcelona was sufficient to turn Liverpool FC into toothless vampire.
I think many fans seem to accept this status quo. It is seen almost as a thing of provide that Real or Barca want one of our players. It is a barometer to determine if a player is amongst the very best.
Players themselves will start thinking like that and see Real and Barca as some sort of holy grail.
Herrera would not be eligible for England, just like Januzaj actually wasn't. Foreign players with no family link to the country can only get called up if they spent five years in education in that country before the age of 18.
As if it would ever happen anyway
The Basque country has a team that plays friendlies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basque_Country_national_football_team
They only seem to play around once a year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basque_Country_national_football_team
They only seem to play around once a year.
And when was the last time we sold a player to Barcelona...?
And when was the last time we sold a player to Real Madrid...?
And when was the last time we bought one of Real Madrid's best players...?
What I will agree with you all on is that we need to aggressively oppose the risk of becoming a feeder club to these two, and this will happen by tying our own players down and also by actively pursuing Real and Barca's best players...
I think Woodward has the same idea. We need to really start aggressively using our financial might to ensure we're seen as nothing less than an equal of Real and Barcelona.
I think they already do. To be a star at Real or Barca is considered, rightly or wrongly, the pinnacle of club football.
Between them Real and Barca have -
Messi
Ronaldo
Suarez
Neymar
Bale
Benzema
Modric
Rodriguez
Kroos
Busquets
Xavi
Iniesta
Pedro
Mascherano
And that's just forwards and midfielders... mental.
We became incredibly uncompetitive in the transfer market in Fergie & Gill's last years but thankfully Woodward seems hellbent on making waves again. Hopefully between Van Gaal's knowledge and Woodwards spending we get it right.
You just killed the whole thread with one post.
let's buy Pogba, Schneiderlin, Depay, Reus and Hummels and we are going for the champions league title.. agree with the lack of transfer activity we should have been doing better. It will be interesting to see how much will Van Gaal want to invest or which strategy he will take, all players are gettable and potentially world class, only POgba would cost big penny and maybe available next year. Who cares he might imbalance the squad a little bit when he's future ballon d'or contender. Fergie used to buy strikers when they become available and always found a place for them..
Schneiderlin
Herrera - Pogba
This is perhaps too much of dreaming and different thread material but still this looks like the hell of a midfield, almost unbeatable if everything clicked. With all respect to Carrick and Blind, they wouldn't have place in thism, still good squad players tbf to them though
I'm going to bed and close my eyes, haha
You know there's something wrong with the world when people start taking EA Sports' FIFA team of the week as any kind of serious reference.
Such a relief that he's playing so well. At the turn of the year there was so much doom and gloom about how most of us signings look like failures and that we have wasted so much money. Mata, Herrera, Fellaini, Di Maria all had big question marks around their names with Shaw being let off only because of his age. Thankfully 3 out of 4 seem to be playing well and Di Maria will probably kick on next season.
I disagree, at least in part. They are the pinnacle for Southern European and South American players perhaps, but if you were to ask most players from North America, Asia and northern Europe then I bet they'd largely choose us over the Spanish clubs. Unfortunately for us, it happens that the best players tend to come from the regions the Spanish club are held in higher regard. With the population numbers in 'our' regions and increased popularity of football there, I'd imagine it won't be too long until we start becoming the pinnacle for some top players. If we aren't already.
When we had player like Ronaldo and now we have a player who can be similar powerhouse but in goalkeeping with already not far away to best in the world status.
Do the math.
I don't think the 'when was the last time we sold a player to Real' argument is as valid as people make out. As I said earlier, in my opinion, it is almost seen as a thing of pride to have a player that they would a actually want. The fact is, even most of our beloved heroes we have had in recent years may not have gotten into their team, or they would not be interested for other reasons. When we had the De facto best in the world, there was an inevitability he would go to where the best players (officially ) in the world tend to play - Real Madrid (or Barca). Fans seem to be approaching the De Gea situation with the same inevitability, despite minimal noise from Madrid themselves. It is almost a case of 'he's so good, he will obviously end up there'.
I remarked around the time of the Januzaj hype last season when there were question marks about his contract at how many posters were saying he should sign for us now, and then he can go to Madrid when he's 25 if he wants. There had been nothing from either the player or Madrid to even hint of an interest, and we could not even play the 'all Latin players dream of bla bla ' card with a Belgian. It was simply inferiority complex speaking I think, and the expression of many of our fans seeing us as a step down to Madrid, and a place that Januzaj will of course end up if he becomes so good that he may dare to catch their interest. At least we an get some good money and grab some bargains from their boot sale as part of the deal hey!
Likewise , I have seen justification on spending X amount on Pogba as he is still young and can be sold to Madrid for profit once he becomes the best in the world.
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