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2014-15 Performances


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So we bought a central midfielder and he's susceptible to be going to jail. We do have the worst luck at that position in terms of transfers.

Anderson => Fat
Hargreaves => Guinea Pig
Carrick => Center back
Blind => Broke his knee
Herrera => Convict
Afroman => God have mercy
 
He never came close to the kind of defensive stats Fellaini achieved against Liverpool. 10 out of 12 tackles, 2 interceptions and 4 blocks.

Looking at the season as a whole, Fellaini is ahead of him with all of his defensive stats, bar interceptions where he is fractionally behind.
I don't think Herrera is that much worse...
He just didn't play enough but his defensive stats are quite excellent for someone who was considered by some as no 10.. His tackling is more successful I guess.. He looked in preseason as a player who commits loads of fouls but he got much much better and looked very good in premier league in this aspect.. Fellaini can chest the ball and win some aerial duels and outmuscle more players but still his contribution to the game as whole is not as good as Herrera's. We need more legs in midfield and intelligence and I don't think we would lose much of that balance van Gaal is talking about if Herrera played instead of Fellaini. Fellaini tends to do much more mistakes in passing and often commit fouls as he is very clumsy btw I was very pleased and surprised that he wasn't sent off against pool. I think his second half performance was fantastic.. but very disappointing in first half including his stupid yellow card in fourth minute of the match. Herrera over Fellaini any day. His defensive stats are underrated.
 
There you go, showing your true color. Saying a pro footballer can do well is somehow translated as hate or dislike, I don't understand people like you. He turned back, turned around or whatever, pass was on but he did not pass forward and that's the point. Rot in your stupidity.

People like you trying to insult a poster instead of disagreeing with view and stewing in your bile while licking another player's arse. Funny :lol:
 
Haha, he's talking rubbish now. I don't know of another player whose ass am licking hahahahaha....
hahahahahaa. that's all you have posted apart from parroting your original comment, which was wrong and has been mentioned by other posters as well. And then you turn it on me saying I have a problem with people who point out mistakes when I said that it is irrelevant to the point that I am making that he did not turn BACK but turned the other side to look for another option. You cry again, repeat the same wrong point of how he turned back (or around, as you later agreed), then cry some more and insult me and then cry some more. That's been your contribution in this thread since last night.
 
Wow if he went to jail his career is over I guess, hopefully that won't happen.
Not sure, there are players who have been in jail, depends if he is found guilty of course, there might be deals made. I was watching an Italian game and someone in that had just come back from a ban for match fixing, Not sure if jail time was served. It could end up as a lot of one person's word against anothers depending on what evidence they have and what the Zaragoza players were told. The ones who actually threw the game surely don't have a leg to stand on.
 
Not sure, there are players who have been in jail, depends if he is found guilty of course, there might be deals made. I was watching an Italian game and someone in that had just come back from a ban for match fixing, Not sure if jail time was served. It could end up as a lot of one person's word against anothers depending on what evidence they have and what the Zaragoza players were told. The ones who actually threw the game surely don't have a leg to stand on.
The thing is if he does go to jail, I don't think the club would stick by him, and I'm not sure he can recover emotionally from this sort of thing.
 
At long last we sign a midfielder capable of playing a box to box role only for him to possibly end up in prison:lol: Only at United.
 
The thing is if he does go to jail, I don't think the club would stick by him, and I'm not sure he can recover emotionally from this sort of thing.
That's the worry. I hope it doesn't come to that. If he is banned, yes we would keep him. He has cost too much money, jail not so sure. It might also depend if the club think he has been fairly dealt with.
 
At long last we sign a midfielder capable of playing a box to box role only for him to possibly end up in prison:lol: Only at United.
Right now it's really not fair to think about how the club would do, I'm sure we'd be fine, but 'm really worried about the lad, he looks like a really nice guy and it would be really sad for a player with his kind of talent to be in this position.
 
Right now it's really not fair to think about how the club would do, I'm sure we'd be fine, but 'm really wprried about the lad, he looks like a really nice guy and it would be really sad for a player with his kind of talent to be in this position.
The ones who run Real Zaragoza are scumbags who were thinking about their own necks. Didn't they realise that they could ruin someones career, even if they were indirectly involved? He was only around 21 at the time, so no saying a deal couldn't be made. However, again it all depends what he was told to justify the money being put into his account.
 
Whats it say?

They have him on video accepting a plain, brown bag in a restaurant. He claims it was a lettuce and mayonnaise sandwich to go; they say it was 1 million Euro. The authorities have recovered the bag from his garbage, and are testing it as we speak. If they don't find lettuce DNA, he's toast (with no lettuce).
 
They have him on video accepting a plain, brown bag in a restaurant. He claims it was a lettuce and mayonnaise sandwich to go; they say it was 1 million Euro. The authorities have recovered the bag from his garbage, and are testing it as we speak. If they don't find lettuce DNA, he's toast (with no lettuce).
:lol:
 
The ones who run Real Zaragoza are scumbags who were thinking about their own necks. Didn't they realise that they could ruin someones career, even if they were indirectly involved? He was only around 21 at the time, so no saying a deal couldn't be made. However, again it all depends what he was told to justify the money being put into his account.
After I read what Gabi said it seems like the players didn't know what the money was for, it also depends on how the judge sees it.
 
Wait, so he could actually end up in prison?

feck me we have no luck with midfielders.
 
After I read what Gabi said it seems like the players didn't know what the money was for, it also depends on how the judge sees it.
If I was the judge I would be after the bosses of Zaragoza and the players of Levante. They are the ones who threw the match and knew what they were doing. It might be harder to prove that the Zaragoza players did anything knowing exactly what was going on.
 
According to the MEN United knew of the implications of the case and still signed him. I presume they have investigated themselves about what happened and have spoken to the player about it.
 
He never came close to the kind of defensive stats Fellaini achieved against Liverpool. 10 out of 12 tackles, 2 interceptions and 4 blocks.

Looking at the season as a whole, Fellaini is ahead of him with all of his defensive stats, bar interceptions where he is fractionally behind.

Err.. That statistical argument can be very easily turned on its head mate.


That includes the all important aggregate defensive score.
 
Err.. That statistical argument can be very easily turned on its head mate.


That includes the all important aggregate defensive score.

Why have you included take-ons, replaced aerial duels with total duels (which includes take-ons anyway) and taken out all the other stats where Fellaini was superior?

How do they calculate the overall defensive score?

(I'm assuming a take-on is an attempt to dribble past an opponent - is this correct?)
 
Might explain why his playing time has been limited, aside from the broken rib, his head can't be in a good place atm.
 
Might explain why his playing time has been limited, aside from the broken rib, his head can't be in a good place atm.
It seems the club knew all about this and still signed him. Maybe they know there will be no problem in the end. I hope so. Ander has always seemed quite relaxed, so maybe it is us being over worried.
 
Why have you included take-ons, replaced aerial duels with total duels (which includes take-ons anyway) and taken out all the other stats where Fellaini was superior?

It was just an illustration of how the argument could be twisted in Herrera's favor too. Because the stats provided by the poster I was quoting were clearly tailored to suit Fellaini while discounting areas where Herrera is statistically superior.

How do they calculate the overall defensive score?

Try this :

http://www.squawka.com/football-stats-definitions

or contact squawkadave on his twitter acc.

(I'm assuming a take-on is an attempt to dribble past an opponent - is this correct?)

Most of these take-ons were in defensive zones though so in a vague sense it can be counted in the pro-Ander column (as a form of easing pressure on the defense). Total duels portray a more lucid picture than raw tackling stats.
 
Err.. That statistical argument can be very easily turned on its head mate.


That includes the all important aggregate defensive score.

What if Herrera stood on Jack Wilshere's shoulders, and they wore a long overcoat to look like one person? Do you think they'd be able to 'have' Fellaini?
 
Neither Herrera nor Fellaini are very good defensively and shouldn't be playing in that position. However when we are faced with injury troubles we were against Liverpool I'd prefer Fellaini in there. Not because he's necessarily better but because his physical approach often leads to him breaking up attacks and generally being a right pest.
 
Can we claim a buyer's refund from Athletic if Ander goes to prison though ? An argument could be made for them deceiving the club and dangling the carrot in front of our faces as a pretext for off-loading him. Maybe Woody should sue them.. :nervous:
 
Can we claim a buyer's refund from Athletic if Ander goes to prison though ? An argument could be made for them deceiving the club and dangling the carrot in front of our faces as a pretext for off-loading him. Maybe Woody should sue them.. :nervous:
I said earlier that according to MEN we knew about this. So it we cannot pull that one. The club can't be that worried about it.
 
It was just an illustration of how the argument could be twisted in Herrera's favor too. Because the stats provided by the poster I was quoting were clearly tailored to suit Fellaini while discounting areas where Herrera is statistically superior.



Try this :

http://www.squawka.com/football-stats-definitions

or contact squawkadave on his twitter acc.



Most of these take-ons were in defensive zones though so in a vague sense it can be counted in the pro-Ander column (as a form of easing pressure on the defense). Total duels portray a more lucid picture than raw tackling stats.

All you've done then is add in 2 stats that are arguably not purely defensive (especially the take ons one, which forms part of the other stat anyway).

Plus a score for which you have no idea how it is calculated.

While keeping the one stat from pogue which favoured Herrera and taking out all the ones that didn't.

I don't think pogue was that dishonest in what he posted.
 
I said earlier that according to MEN we knew about this. So it we cannot pull that one. The club can't be that worried about it.

Drat.

I'm pretty sure the jury won't indict him as a felon though. Just look at that cherubic face.. :D
 
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