To be fair it was ever thus, we used to lament SAF's decisions and selections all the time as well.
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I'm not sure of that though, there was always criticism, but it was mild at best and they were immediately shouted down. At least, it was not to the same extent. Funnily enough, most of these blokes preached patience when Moyes was in charge.
Wow, you have to really feel for the lad.
You have to see things from Van Gaal's point of view, asked to do the impossible over the summer.
After three years of international management, attention focused on Dutch players, he's required to sell and buy half a team by the accountant in charge of Manchester United. He knows, thanks to their mismanagement of their own affairs, United need, or think they need, this big influx and outflow - if he's unprepared to preside over it, they may turn to somebody else. So - he's seen a little of Ander, and maybe a few videos of Shaw, thinks they've got talent, and gives them the nod, saying to himself 'if things don't work out, I can sort it once I get my feet under the table at Old Trafford. The first thing is to get the job.'
Regardless of whether the above is an accurate representation of events, with no Director of Football in place, overseeing a summer spending spree was an essential part of any incoming manager's remit. Van Gaal had to do it, even if he hadn't given a moments thought to what a team like United might need in the market before being approached about the job. And, of course, his duties with the Dutch team didn't give him much opportunity to think about it afterwards.
The only problem is that Van gaal is shit on the transfer market and can turn against his own players quickly.
I'm not saying that it's the case here but he needs a Director of football or change his approach regarding transfers.
Calm down really
So you've made two posts, if Van Gaal doesn't know how to use Herrera, he should be given the boot. Why? If he is not fitting the model he wants to play, then he'd be transferred out. What's the problem?
Yes it was less. But not insignificant. One example is Valencia, the exasperation with him didn't start under Moyes, the whole of SAF's last season he was regularly picked and many / most on here openly ridiculed it and suggested he was completely spent as a footballer and SAF was out of his mind. Or "SAF's Lovechild" Fletcher in years gone by, the rubbish player who had a place in the squad because of nepotism. It happened quite a bit really.
Fellaini has taken his chance, played reasonably well and offered the team something different in a difficult run of games. This is normal guys. We actually have a manager now that doesn't incessantly rotate his squad to detrimental effect. Herrera will get his chance soon and if he performs will remain in the team on merit.
I agree with player criticism before, but I think manager was pretty much above it. But you could be right too. Even at the height of Berbatov/Tevez debate, it was more about who fits the team better instead of 'Fergie out, he didn't play Berbatov'.
That's not what i said, if a coach spend 35m€ for a player and then after 4 months decide to get rid of the player because he's not perfect for his system than the coach is the first responsible.
In that scenario no one forced him to buy the player, and if he thinks that you can get rid of a player easily, the board should show him how easy it is to get rid of a coach.
Now for me Adebesi's scenario is probably the right one, with all this injuries LVG is just wary and wants to take his time before using players who come back from injuries.
There's a difference between Herrera not perfect for the system against Arsenal and him not being perfect for any of Van Gaal's system.
Aaaaand Herrera Scores !!!
If anything, Fergies lineups were one of the most frustrating things. I remember a lot of people joking and saying that noe that he's retired we might get some more normal team selections and more consistent lineups. There were certain players that he never moved around, but a lot of the time he rotated.
Just scored a great goal from a practiced free kick from Janujaz. Rolled it to the spot, finsihed to the bottom corner.
Sorry, I don't understand.
Edit: i was advocating the devil. I was going along Izec theory.
Yes the manager was above criticism. Sorry, if that was your original point then I misunderstood it. It's definitely a culture shock getting used to fallible managers.
Tidy goal!
He was really happy to score it as well.
Fletcher plays a defensive role??? What does he contribute to defensively? Running around after ghosts?
Interesting that he's playing for the reserves tonight. Have there been any other reserve matches in the time between the West Brom game and now?
Januzaj played today likely to continue to get minutes developing, Evans playing to get fitness back - Herrera is bit of both seeing as he's been on the bench but, not played minutes for several weeks.
Impressed with Januzaj and Herrera. Real class.
He played in a BHC match last week against Blackpool.
Interesting, wonder if its just for the minutes, or because he genuinely is trying to work his way back to fitness after the injury.
Danny Higginbottom seemed to think he might have asked to play in this game. He definitely enjoyed playing in it. Not like some first teamers who don't give a hoot. He was everywhere.
Thats great to hear! I properly love this little lad already.
He was giving High Fives with Pearson. Had a big grin on his face when he scored. He's a great lad.
Incredible how people love the create shitty theories and factoids. Herrera got injured, tried to rush back, proved a mistake. Fellaini got in, had a great job, while the Spaniard got his fitness back.
He was probably one of our our best players until the injury, and people are going nuts about him not fitting the team. FFS.
He was probably one of our our best players until the injury, and people are going nuts about him not fitting the team. FFS.
Its the way that, since his injury, his early season performances have been played down that gets me. He's gone from being one of our best early season performers to being average and lightweight. Its ridiculous.
He looked very relaxed tonight, played well. Didn't look like someone worrying about his future at the club.
This. Also MUTV heavily pushing the return from injury angle on Ander. Listen to the commentary and look the write up in this tweet from the club's official feed:
If you remember LVG's remarks about our subs on Sat, he pointed out that Young was not fit enough to last 90 mins (but was available on the bench) so he was played as long as he felt was sensible then subbed in turn.
Combine that with LVG's desire for 1st team starters to play a number of minutes and train for 2 weeks.
Result: Herrera plays tonight.
He was fit enough for maybe part of a Prem league game but was not chosen to come on under the particular circumstances. So he gets to add to his match fitness in the LSC. I am sure he is slated for some minutes in the next 2 games.
Combine that with LVG's desire for 1st team starters to play a number of minutes and train for 2 weeks.
Result: Herrera plays tonight.
He was fit enough for maybe part of a Prem league game but was not chosen to come on under the particular circumstances. So he gets to add to his match fitness in the LSC. I am sure he is slated for some minutes in the next 2 games.
Asking to play in a reserve match after signing in a £30m deal 
Fantastic attitude, no ego about the lad, but a lot of bite and bravery. Love him.
Fantastic attitude, no ego about the lad, but a lot of bite and bravery. Love him.
I bloody love Herrera, get him back in the side ASAP!
It's tough on Fellaini who has had his first decent run of performances in a United shirt but Herrera is a considerably better football and will make us play a lot better.
It's tough on Fellaini who has had his first decent run of performances in a United shirt but Herrera is a considerably better football and will make us play a lot better.
I love him.
Higginbotham was just speculating. No evidence at all that he asked to play.
Besides, would be a worry if he had to ask. As that would mean Van Gaal wasn't fussed about giving him a game to keep him sharp for the first team (the reason Evans and Januzaj played)
Played well though. Albeit in an easy game where all our central midfielders looked great (Rothwell's second goal was a thing of beauty)
Besides, would be a worry if he had to ask. As that would mean Van Gaal wasn't fussed about giving him a game to keep him sharp for the first team (the reason Evans and Januzaj played)
Played well though. Albeit in an easy game where all our central midfielders looked great (Rothwell's second goal was a thing of beauty)
What's up with you Pogues? You're on a fierce downer this weather.
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