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Not that he would win, but if it came down to it, he would probably be considered a natural born citizen because his mother is American.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m.../ted-cruz-born-canada-eligible-run-president/
Yet for some reason this perfectly acceptable to the republicans. But hell nooo for Obama who was born in...Hawaii. Cruz is trouble from what I've seen, also his dad is a lunatic. You can see why the revolution happened when you hear Cruz senior open his mouth.
 
Yet for some reason this perfectly acceptable to the republicans. But hell nooo for Obama who was born in...Hawaii. Cruz is trouble from what I've seen, also his dad is a lunatic. You can see why the revolution happened when you hear Cruz senior open his mouth.
They lead blissful lives free of consistency and shame.
 
Cain may not run but we do have a replacement nutter in Ben Carson. Perry will almost certainly run, which will be hillarious.
 
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So far this looks like a 3 horse race between Rand Paul, Jeb Bush, and Scott Walker.

Paul will play the independent/libertarian role much like his dad did. Walker will be the social/fiscal conservative, and Bush the establishment Republican who delicately attempts to play moderate whilst courting all wings of the party by not offending the other.
 
So far this looks like a 3 horse race between Rand Paul, Jeb Bush, and Scott Walker.

Paul will play the independent/libertarian role much like his dad did. Walker will be the social/fiscal conservative, and Bush the establishment Republican who delicately attempts to play moderate whilst courting all wings of the party by not offending the other.

Paul is not a serious candidate, or at least not a candidate with a snowball's chance in Death Valley.

The third candidate, who would present a serious challenge to both Bush and Walker should he choose to run, is Rubio.

Early days, but the brackets look like this:

Final Four

Clinton
>Clinton
Sanders

v

Bush
>Bush
Walker


National Championship

Bush
>Bush
Clinton


(Best I can do on an iPhone)


If Gore jumps in, and that rumor is out there, Gore could go all the way. But I don't think he's got it left in him to run for potus again.
 
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Can't see the nation going with another Bush failure.

I'm also curious why obvious no-chance-in-hell longshots like Cruz run for POTUS. Is it an ego thing? Does the candidate really believe he/she has a great chance? Is it a sinister ploy to steal other votes from candidates so the actual party preferred candidate is ensured nomination?
 
Can't see the nation going with another Bush failure.

I'm also curious why obvious no-chance-in-hell longshots like Cruz run for POTUS. Is it an ego thing? Does the candidate really believe he/she has a great chance? Is it a sinister ploy to steal other votes from candidates so the actual party preferred candidate is ensured nomination?

The options aren't that great. All the Americans have as their choices in 2016 are Hillary Clinton, Jeb Bush, Scott Walker, Marco Rubio and -- horror! -- Ted Cruz.

That's a pretty sad list of candidates the Americans must choose from.

So what's left is deciding which is the least horrible of these choices. Jeb has a sullied last name, but on the pure merits he stands a much better chance of winning the Rep nomination than clowns like Cruz. Whether Bush can beat Clinton is best discussed later, as Bush and Clinton have every right to actually formally announce they're running for potus before we deciding who would beat whom.
 
Nope, pretty sure it can be discussed before then.
 
A more interesting discussion would be the uphill task any GOP candidate will face in winning the election. There are about 7 key swing states and the GOP candidate will have to win nearly all of them to win the election. If its Bush v Hillary, I think she will win at least two of them, which will nearly guarantee her the election.
 
A more interesting discussion would be the uphill task any GOP candidate will face in winning the election. There are about 7 key swing states and the GOP candidate will have to win nearly all of them to win the election. If its Bush v Hillary, I think she will win at least two of them, which will nearly guarantee her the election.
She'll also be stronger in red midwestern states than Obama was. According to some very (very) early polls on RCP, she's even ahead of Bush in Florida at the moment, which the GOP candidate would need to win by about five points to have a chance overall. They certainly have a lot of work to do in the next 20 months or so.
 
She'll also be stronger in red midwestern states than Obama was. According to some very (very) early polls on RCP, she's even ahead of Bush in Florida at the moment, which the GOP candidate would need to win by about five points to have a chance overall. They certainly have a lot of work to do in the next 20 months or so.

I'm pretty sure Bush will take Florida. The rest of the swings will be VA, NC, OH, IA, CO, NV, and possibly NM. The GOP candidate will almost need to win all of them to have a chance of getting to 270.
 
I'm pretty sure Bush will take Florida. The rest of the swings will be VA, NC, OH, IA, CO, NV, and possibly NM. The GOP candidate will almost need to win all of them to have a chance of getting to 270.
You reckon New Mexico might be back in play?
 
You reckon New Mexico might be back in play?

It always depends who is running for President. The reason those 6 or 7 states will decide the election is down to who is running and where candidates stand on various social issues. For example, if the GOP put up someone who is anti-gay rights, anti-abortion, and wants to return undocumented workers to their home country, they are very likely to lose several of those states and in the process, the election.
 
Can't see the nation going with another Bush failure.

I'm also curious why obvious no-chance-in-hell longshots like Cruz run for POTUS. Is it an ego thing? Does the candidate really believe he/she has a great chance? Is it a sinister ploy to steal other votes from candidates so the actual party preferred candidate is ensured nomination?

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Nope, pretty sure it can be discussed before then.

Sure, anything can be discussed at any time but the only game in town right now is who the Rep will be. Short of titillating photos of Hillary being released, she's a lock for the Dem nominee.

The Reps always go with who they think is the most electable nominee, going back to 1968. It never for them comes down to who runs furthest to the right and for that reason we can rule out Cruz right now.
 
Republican nutters like Cruz aren't running for POTUS - they know they can't win that. They are running for a VP pick from the eventual nominee since everybody knows that they need a TP nutter type on the ticket to motivate the base.
 
Republican nutters like Cruz aren't running for POTUS - they know they can't win that. They are running for a VP pick from the eventual nominee since everybody knows that they need a TP nutter type on the ticket to motivate the base.

Cruz is insane enough to think he can actually win. He will get buried in the primaries and won't be able to raise any money once he exposes himself as a televangelist Joseph McCarthy moron.
 
Ted Cruz is going to do well. Not well enough to win the nomination but enough to do some damage. The guy is the son of a minister, was a nationally ranked debater and went to Harvard Law School. Scott Walker didn't even graduate from Marquette. I don't think Cruz can overcome the structural disadvantages but he shouldn't be dismissed so easily.
 
Scott Walker can feck right off, it's impossible to watch videos of the singer Scott Walker without the youtube recommendations trying to make me watch dumb right wing videos these days.
 
Ted Cruz is going to do well. Not well enough to win the nomination but enough to do some damage. The guy is the son of a minister, was a nationally ranked debater and went to Harvard Law School. Scott Walker didn't even graduate from Marquette. I don't think Cruz can overcome the structural disadvantages but he shouldn't be dismissed so easily.

Walker comes across as much more polished than Cruz, who is generally hated by much of the GOP, although there will be quite a few Tea Party types who vote for him. That's why Cruz's candidacy is going to draw the Republicans more to the right than ever before. They are all going to be trying to outdo one another on right wing credentials, which is going to help the Dems in the end.
 
Walker comes across as much more polished than Cruz, who is generally hated by much of the GOP, although there will be quite a few Tea Party types who vote for him. That's why Cruz's candidacy is going to draw the Republicans more to the right than ever before. They are all going to be trying to outdo one another on right wing credentials, which is going to help the Dems in the end.

Walker hasn't been on the big stage yet though. Cruz is definitely less palatable to the electorate as a whole but he ticks all the boxes for the Republican base. He's going to run hard right and knock out Huckabee for the culture warrior segment. Then he will drag the rest of the field, specifically the corporate republicans, to the right and eventually settle for VP or the promise of a cabinet seat for another more mainstream candidate. So mostly I agree with the comments in here, I just don't think Cruz should be so easily dismissed. He will eventually lose but not before making his mark first.
 
Walker hasn't been on the big stage yet though. Cruz is definitely less palatable to the electorate as a whole but he ticks all the boxes for the Republican base. He's going to run hard right and knock out Huckabee for the culture warrior segment. Then he will drag the rest of the field, specifically the corporate republicans, to the right and eventually settle for VP or the promise of a cabinet seat for another more mainstream candidate. So mostly I agree with the comments in here, I just don't think Cruz should be so easily dismissed. He will eventually lose but not before making his mark first.

Cruz is missing any kind of charisma and he also isnt a a good speaker. He doesnt tick all boxes for the rep base. He ticks most boxes for the nutter right-wing part of the republican base. No serious candidate would consider him as VP.
 
He doesnt tick all boxes for the rep base. He ticks most boxes for the nutter right-wing part of the republican base.

That's what I meant, I should have been clearer. Sarah Palin was selected as VP. I don't think there is a bar for Republican Vice Presidential candidates. Cruz is much more intelligent than Palin. I don't think he has charisma issues either.
 
Cruz has zero chance of making any kind of lasting impact on the Rep Party. But he is enjoying himself now, as well he should.

The one who will keep Jeb awake at night will be Walker...until he flames out. But if you're looking for a potential upset, put your money on Rubio.
 
That's what I meant, I should have been clearer. Sarah Palin was selected as VP. I don't think there is a bar for Republican Vice Presidential candidates. Cruz is much more intelligent than Palin. I don't think he has charisma issues either.

Palin was certainly even less qualified, but thats not important. She was a calculated (and despertly taken) risk, that didnt pay off. Female, white, ultra-conservate with common-sense, "normal"; someone who appeared to be like joe sixpack. Someone the average working class person might be able to identify with. There was at least the chance that she would be able to mobilize different conservative voter groups.
Cruz is nothing like that. He doesnt have an "intellectual" image like e.g. Ryan/Paul and he also isnt able to connect with normal people. Too much Ivy League, arrogance, smugness and no charisma. He might win in the primaries against someone like Huckabee, but he doesnt have the same pull when it comes down to mobilizing conservative voter groups.
That doesnt mean, that the GOP doesnt pick a nutter as VP. There are plenty who could do this job. Its just that Cruz is particularly inapt for this role.
 
Palin was certainly even less qualified, but thats not important. She was a calculated (and despertly taken) risk, that didnt pay off. Female, white, ultra-conservate with common-sense, "normal"; someone who appeared to be like joe sixpack. Someone the average working class person might be able to identify with. There was at least the chance that she would be able to mobilize different conservative voter groups.
Cruz is nothing like that. He doesnt have an "intellectual" image like e.g. Ryan/Paul and he also isnt able to connect with normal people. Too much Ivy League, arrogance, smugness and no charisma. He might win in the primaries against someone like Huckabee, but he doesnt have the same pull when it comes down to mobilizing conservative voter groups.
That doesnt mean, that the GOP doesnt pick a nutter as VP. There are plenty who could do this job. Its just that Cruz is particularly inapt for this role.

Palin and common sense in the same sentence isn't something I've ever thought I'd hear.
 
Paul is not a serious candidate, or at least not a candidate with a snowball's chance in Death Valley.

The third candidate, who would present a serious challenge to both Bush and Walker should he choose to run, is Rubio.

Early days, but the brackets look like this:

Final Four

Clinton
>Clinton
Sanders

v

Bush
>Bush
Walker


National Championship

Bush
>Bush
Clinton


(Best I can do on an iPhone)


If Gore jumps in, and that rumor is out there, Gore could go all the way. But I don't think he's got it left in him to run for potus again.

You are picking Jeb Bush to win the WH? :lol:
 
Palin was certainly even less qualified, but thats not important. She was a calculated (and despertly taken) risk, that didnt pay off. Female, white, ultra-conservate with common-sense, "normal"; someone who appeared to be like joe sixpack. Someone the average working class person might be able to identify with. There was at least the chance that she would be able to mobilize different conservative voter groups.
Cruz is nothing like that. He doesnt have an "intellectual" image like e.g. Ryan/Paul and he also isnt able to connect with normal people. Too much Ivy League, arrogance, smugness and no charisma. He might win in the primaries against someone like Huckabee, but he doesnt have the same pull when it comes down to mobilizing conservative voter groups.
That doesnt mean, that the GOP doesnt pick a nutter as VP. There are plenty who could do this job. Its just that Cruz is particularly inapt for this role.

The guy went to Harvard Law School. I don't think it will be too difficult for him to project an intellectual image when he's up against Huckabee or Walker. Don't get me wrong, I don't think he will get the nomination and he obviously isn't a top tier candidate but I think he can do some damage.
 
I'd agree with Eboue, considering that even Santorum managed to gather a head of steam last time round and Perry was expected to had he not been so painstakingly awful, you'd expect Cruz to do a fair bit better. Plus people like Hannity will think it immediately solves all their problems with Hispanic voters.
 
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