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Please share your evidence that "The GOP is blatantly racist." Thanks!

Jesus, how about looking up the "southern strategy." How about looking at what happened after civil rights to the parties. How about watching Fox News, listening to right wing talk radio, how about the constant race baiting, how about reflecting on what party all the white supremacists, militia groups, neo nazi groups sympathize with, how about looking at the state republican party in the south. How about looking at the insane Republican reaction to Barack Obama. How about all the racist dog whistle code words constantly used by Republicans.

It's all over the place.
 
Jesus, how about looking up the "southern strategy." How about looking at what happened after civil rights to the parties. How about watching Fox News, listening to right wing talk radio, how about the constant race baiting, how about reflecting on what party all the white supremacists, militia groups, neo nazi groups sympathize with, how about looking at the state republican party in the south. How about looking at the insane Republican reaction to Barack Obama. How about all the racist dog whistle code words constantly used by Republicans.

It's all over the place.

Dont be silly, its all in your head. The people in red state america just love a black president.
 
Please tell us why you being right wing or republican has NOTHING to do with your upbringing or where you are from? Id love to hear this

That's your "evidence"?

I'll tell you about myself. I am a Mexican-American who was abandoned at birth and adopted by immigrants from Jalisco and grew up in Los Angeles, English being my second language. The most my dad, papi, ever earned in a year was $29,000 at a factory job and my mom made some extra money providing day care for other kids. My parents couldn't help me with either my high school (I paid for my own Catholic high school tuition from my earnings delivering the newspaper) or college (job and scholarships).

Do tell, are you by any chance white?
 
That's your "evidence"?

I'll tell you about myself. I am a Mexican-American who was abandoned at birth and adopted by immigrants from Jalisco and grew up in Los Angeles, English being my second language. The most my dad, papi, ever earned in a year was $29,000 at a factory job and my mom made some extra money providing day care for other kids. My parents couldn't help me with either my high school (I paid for my own Catholic high school tuition from my earnings delivering the newspaper) or college (job and scholarships).

Do tell, are you by any chance white?


Btw I'm not white. Do tell, do you watch Fox "news" and believe what they say?
 
I honestly do not understand why a single minority would vote GOP. This coming from a white, 38-yr old man that flipped from red to blue around 2009 after I stepped outside my bubble and viewed reality from a different set of lenses.
 
Jesus, how about looking up the "southern strategy." How about looking at what happened after civil rights to the parties. How about watching Fox News, listening to right wing talk radio, how about the constant race baiting, how about reflecting on what party all the white supremacists, militia groups, neo nazi groups sympathize with, how about looking at the state republican party in the south. How about looking at the insane Republican reaction to Barack Obama. How about all the racist dog whistle code words constantly used by Republicans.

It's all over the place.

Sorry, I missed this post earlier.

As for the "Southern Strategy", that was the electoral brainchild of Richard Nixon, whose domestic policy agenda was actually quite "progressive". He pushed legislation creating the Environmental Protection Agency, enacting the Clean Water Act, Clean Air Act and the Marine Mammal Protection Act. He signed Title IX. He imposed wage and price controls (bad idea, but liberals cheered him). He ended the draft. He oversaw the desegregation of public schools. Although he had no constitutional role in its passage, Nixon was a strong supporter of the 26th Amendment, which granted the right to vote to 18 year olds. Nixon ended, or at least significantly relieved, our atrocious policies toward Native Americans. Nixon, who was a wretched human being in many ways, was nearly as "liberal" as LBJ with respect to domestic policy, but he was indeed an ardent anti-communist (which my be a strike against him in your view). But as every schoolboy knows, Nixon went to China.

As for what "happened to civil rights", Democrats in the 1970s went well beyond the the teaching of MLK to supporting racial quotas in university admissions and government hiring and contracting practices. Republicans opposed, and oppose to this day, racial quotas. Democrats only reluctantly abandoned their demand for racial quotas.

Fox News is a piece of shit news network, as is MSNBC. But I'm not sure what your point is...are you suggesting that the existence of Fox News somehow proves that Republicans are racists? By that ridiculous logic, you would have to concede that Obama is a racist because he has welcomed Al Sharpton -- a race baiter -- nearly 100 times into the White House for "consultations". No, Obama is not a racist, nor are all Republicans.

The rest of your post is just mindless, angry drivel. There are all kinds of hate groups in the United States whose adherents are members of the two main and other political parties. There are violent Latino organizations that seek the secession of California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas and restore them back to what they believe is their rightful country: Mexico. Their members are almost all Democrats. Would it be reasonable for me to conclude that that therefore Democrats support giving those states back to Mexico? Your answer can't possibly be yes.

As for Obama, 95% of blacks voted for Obama. Would it be fair to conclude that blacks are therefore racist because they almost all voted for Obama? Surely not.

Black Democrats said a lot of very nasty things about George Bush. Are we to conclude that therefore Black Democrats are racist? Uh, no.

Your thesis is unsound, but I do appreciate the desperation of your pathetic argument.
 
Btw I'm not white. Do tell, do you watch Fox "news" and believe what they say?

I watch CNN and Bloomberg. I can't stand Fox News, but I also can't stand MSNBC. The latter two drive an ideological point of view and nothing else. That's of no interest to me whatsoever. Rush Limbaugh is a moron and not very entertaining either, at least not to me. But then again the only radio news broadcasts I listen to are from the BBC, as I have XM Sirius radio and am not condemned to listening only to terrestrial broadcasts. I read the New York Times, Los Angeles Times, Wall Street Journal, Politico, Roll Call, The Hill and check out Salon, Slate and RealClearPolitics for my first wave of online reading in the morning.

Are there any problems with that?
 
That's your "evidence"?

I'll tell you about myself. I am a Mexican-American who was abandoned at birth and adopted by immigrants from Jalisco and grew up in Los Angeles, English being my second language. The most my dad, papi, ever earned in a year was $29,000 at a factory job and my mom made some extra money providing day care for other kids. My parents couldn't help me with either my high school (I paid for my own Catholic high school tuition from my earnings delivering the newspaper) or college (job and scholarships).

Do tell, are you by any chance white?

No Im Irish. So you are a Mexican American from most likely East LA and you cannot see that the GOP is racist?
 
No Im Irish. So you are a Mexican American from most likely East LA and you cannot see that the GOP is racist?

Your knowledge of American politics is apparently is as extensive as my knowledge of Irish politics.

"The GOP" does not have a single mentality, nor does the Democratic Party. I personally know racist Democrats, but it's irrational to conclude that therefore that all Democrats are racists or that the Democratic Party is racist. Even when Robert Byrd, a Klansman in good standing, led the fight against Thurgood Marshall (due to his great work on the Brown v Board of Education case) it could not be rightly said that "the Democrats are racists", even when many individual Democrats were self-described segregationists.

There are racist Republicans and maybe Scalise is a racist (we'll find out more about what he actually said soon enough), but the Republican party is no more a racist party than the Democratic party, which has racists in its camp, is. Or that the Democratic Party was when David Duke ran for president as a Democrat in 1988. Were the Democrats racists then because of David Duke? Of course not.

The guilt-by-association thing is stupid. By the logic employed here by some, any knuckle-dragging racist who happens to be either a Republican or a Democrat would be provided as "proof" that the Republican party or the Democratic party is "racist". It would be an insult to the word "crazy" to call that logic crazy.
 
Your knowledge of American politics is apparently is as extensive as my knowledge of Irish politics.

"The GOP" does not have a single mentality, nor does the Democratic Party. I personally know racist Democrats, but it's irrational to conclude that therefore that all Democrats are racists or that the Democratic Party is racist. Even when Robert Byrd, a Klansman in good standing, led the fight against Thurgood Marshall (due to his great work on the Brown v Board of Education case) it could not be rightly said that "the Democrats are racists", even when many individual Democrats were self-described segregationists.

There are racist Republicans and maybe Scalise is a racist (we'll find out more about what he actually said soon enough), but the Republican party is no more a racist party than the Democratic party, which has racists in its camp, is. Or that the Democratic Party was when David Duke ran for president as a Democrat in 1988. Were the Democrats racists then because of David Duke? Of course not.

The guilt-by-association thing is stupid. By the logic employed here by some, any knuckle-dragging racist who happens to be either a Republican or a Democrat would be provided as "proof" that the Republican party or the Democratic party is "racist". It would be an insult to the word "crazy" to call that logic crazy.


Good try, I lived in a red state for 10 years and have republican in laws. I also was involved with the mexican community and know the shit they had to go through with local republican politicians
 
Good try, I lived in a red state for 10 years and have republican in laws. I also was involved with the mexican community and know the shit they had to go through with local republican politicians

Fine, but then you should know that the GOP is no more racist than the Dem Party. Both parties have shitbags in their camp, both parties have problems. It's fine to argue that the Dems are right on most of the issues and the Reps wrong, but to just state categorically that Republicans are racists is pure ignorance.
 
Fine, but then you should know that the GOP is no more racist than the Dem Party. Both parties have shitbags in their camp, both parties have problems. It's fine to argue that the Dems are right on most of the issues and the Reps wrong, but to just state categorically that Republicans are racists is pure ignorance.

Its not pure ignorance. The cap fits and I have seen it in action on a national level and in a personal level. You have to agree that Obama gets absolutely NO respect from the right! Ffs the bitch of an Arizona governor got in his face and pointed at him. No way would she have done that with a white president.
 
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Colin Powell thinks it is...

“There’s also a dark — a dark vein of intolerance in some parts of the party. What do I mean by that? I mean by that that they still sort of look down on minorities. How can I evidence that?

When I see a former governor say that the President is “shuckin’ and jivin’,” that’s racial era slave term. When I see another former governor after the president’s first debate where he didn’t do very well, says that the president was lazy. He didn’t say he was slow. He was tired. He didn’t do well. He said he was lazy. Now, it may not mean anything to most Americans, but to those of us who are African Americans, the second word is shiftless and then there’s a third word that goes along with that. The birther, the whole birther movement. Why do senior Republican leaders tolerate this kind of discussion within the party?”
 
I think all your examples are valid but they are just that, examples. Doesn't make them all racists just like I argued in another thread that not all cops are racists.
 
Please share your evidence that "The GOP is blatantly racist." Thanks!

Are you serious? For years the GOP had an active strategy of inciting racism in the south for political gain (they still do it today but deny it). Leading GOP Presidential contender Rand Paul co-authored a book with a white supremacist. Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity are 10x the race baiters you accuse Sharpton of being. Please stop pretending the Democrats are as bad as the GOP when it comes to racism.
 
Are you serious? For years the GOP had an active strategy of inciting racism in the south for political gain (they still do it today but deny it). Leading GOP Presidential contender Rand Paul co-authored a book with a white supremacist. Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity are 10x the race baiters you accuse Sharpton of being. Please stop pretending the Democrats are as bad as the GOP when it comes to racism.

You forgot to mention the lynching of blacks orchestrated by the evil, racist, Hitler-admiring Republicans.
 
If anyone wants to know what the handbags over Scalise is really about, read this email I received earlier today from the Democratic National Committee:



"The first time I met Steve Scalise... he told me he was like David Duke without the baggage."
- New Orleans Advocate reporter Stephanie Grace

Tell John Boehner: REMOVE Steve Scalise from GOP Leadership!


[Gannicus] --

Last week, we learned that GOP Rep. Steve Scalise - the #3 Republican on John Boehner's leadership team - once addressed a white supremacist organization founded by notorious former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke.

But it gets worse. Now it turns out that Scalise took money from one of Duke's lieutenants, and old interviews have surfaced in which Scalise regularly described himself as Duke's ideological confederate in local and national media.

But despite all this, John Boehner is REFUSING to drop Scalise from his leadership team. Please add your name today: Tell Boehner to DUMP STEVE SCALISE!

Boehner says that Scalise' white supremacist ties are simply "an error in judgement."

But if that's true, Scalise should have repudiated Duke and his organization BEFORE his reported "embrace" of the former Klan leader's views became a national embarrassment. And why is he still keeping the money?

Boehner's wrong: Scalise' speech to white supremacists was no "error." But keeping Scalise in leadership certainly would be.

Scalise' brand of politics has no place in America - add your name and demand that Speaker Boehner REMOVE Steve Scalise from leadership!


Sincerely,
2016 Democratic Victory


(At the bottom of this email a link to a website to enable a contribution appears.)
 
You forgot to mention the lynching of blacks orchestrated by the evil, racist, Hitler-admiring Republicans.

Oh Please; are you denying the "Southern Strategy" existed (link)? Or that Rand Paul co-authored a book with a white supremacist (link)?
 
If anyone wants to know what the handbags over Scalise is really about, read this email I received earlier today from the Democratic National Committee:



"The first time I met Steve Scalise... he told me he was like David Duke without the baggage."
- New Orleans Advocate reporter Stephanie Grace

Tell John Boehner: REMOVE Steve Scalise from GOP Leadership!


[Gannicus] --

Last week, we learned that GOP Rep. Steve Scalise - the #3 Republican on John Boehner's leadership team - once addressed a white supremacist organization founded by notorious former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke.

But it gets worse. Now it turns out that Scalise took money from one of Duke's lieutenants, and old interviews have surfaced in which Scalise regularly described himself as Duke's ideological confederate in local and national media.

But despite all this, John Boehner is REFUSING to drop Scalise from his leadership team. Please add your name today: Tell Boehner to DUMP STEVE SCALISE!

Boehner says that Scalise' white supremacist ties are simply "an error in judgement."

But if that's true, Scalise should have repudiated Duke and his organization BEFORE his reported "embrace" of the former Klan leader's views became a national embarrassment. And why is he still keeping the money?

Boehner's wrong: Scalise' speech to white supremacists was no "error." But keeping Scalise in leadership certainly would be.

Scalise' brand of politics has no place in America - add your name and demand that Speaker Boehner REMOVE Steve Scalise from leadership!


Sincerely,
2016 Democratic Victory


(At the bottom of this email a link to a website to enable a contribution appears.)

Not very surprising. Both parties use controversial issues to fundraise and fire up the base. The GOP did it on any number of issues like Obamacare, Benghazi etc. Just goes to show the Scalise issue is more politics than morality.
 
Not very surprising. Both parties use controversial issues to fundraise and fire up the base. The GOP did it on any number of issues like Obamacare, Benghazi etc. Just goes to show the Scalise issue is more politics than morality.

Holy non sequitur Batman! Just because some will use it for political gain doesn't mean it's more about politics then morality, especially not for us black Americans. To even equate a difference of opinion about national healthcare policy/laws to speaking at a white supremacist event is ludicrous.
 
Holy non sequitur Batman! Just because some will use it for political gain doesn't mean it's more about politics then morality, especially not for us black Americans. To even equate a difference of opinion about national healthcare policy/laws to speaking at a white supremacist event is ludicrous.

Its simply not a matter of morality if you know how politics works. You score points against the opposition by lowering their poll numbers by publicizing unappealing things about them. If you listen to talk radio or watch the 24 hour news channels, you'll see they are full of this sort of thing. Most people who stick their beaks into these controversial issues are usually feigning moral outrage to take a whack at the opposition.
 
Its simply not a matter of morality if you know how politics works. You score points against the opposition by lowering their poll numbers by publicizing unappealing things about them. If you listen to talk radio or watch the 24 hour news channels, you'll see they are full of this sort of thing. Most people who stick their beaks into these controversial issues are usually feigning moral outrage to take a whack at the opposition.

I fully understand how it works, but just because some people will use a piece of information for their own gain doesn't change the underlying nature of said information. Just because the Democrats will use this to raise money doesn't mean that it isn't reprehensible.
 
Not very surprising. Both parties use controversial issues to fundraise and fire up the base. The GOP did it on any number of issues like Obamacare, Benghazi etc. Just goes to show the Scalise issue is more politics than morality.

Raoul with the knockout blow!

Both parties accuse each other of horrifying beliefs. Reps condemn Dems for being socialists and Dems condemn Reps of being fascists (I'm surprised I haven't seen that accusation made here) and when that doesn't stick, the Dems accuse Reps of being racists.

The Scalise handbags is nothing other partisan politics. Next week it will be the Reps' turn to attack the character of some Dem and on and on it will go for years and years, as it has for years and years.
 
Do deny that Democrats embrace race baiters like Sharpton?

I don't even know what a "race baiter" is, and no matter how bad Sharpton is he's no where near the full blown racist that Rush is.

And what does any of that matter? I notice you a Raoul use the same cheap argument tactic of trying to change the subject or imply some symmetry between the GOP and the Democrats i.e one is just as bad as the other instead of debating the matter at hand.

The fact is that high ranking public official accepted an invitation to speak at a white supremacist event and many people have serious question about whether or not he should be allowed to continue in his current role. That's the only matter at hand, not "obamacare" or "bengazhi", either debate the merits of the topic or not but stop trying to obfuscate.
 
I don't even know what a "race baiter" is, and no matter how bad Sharpton is he's no where near the full blown racist that Rush is.

And what does any of that matter? I notice you a Raoul use the same cheap argument tactic of trying to change the subject or imply some symmetry between the GOP and the Democrats i.e one is just as bad as the other instead of debating the matter at hand.

The fact is that high ranking public official accepted an invitation to speak at a white supremacist event and many people have serious question about whether or not he should be allowed to continue in his current role. That's the only matter at hand, not "obamacare" or "bengazhi", either debate the merits of the topic or not but stop trying to obfuscate.

Its still a political controversy that is part of a broader social discourse of what is and isn't acceptable. Topics like Obama's patronage of Jeremiah Wright, Robert Byrd, and any number of Sharpton's actions, Rush Limbaugh's comments about Donavan McNabb, various other comments by conservative radio commentators over the years etc, are all therefore fair game in the discussion.
 
Its still a political controversy that is part of a broader social discourse of what is and isn't acceptable. Topics like Obama's patronage of Jeremiah Wright, Robert Byrd, and any number of Sharpton's actions, Rush Limbaugh's comments about Donavan McNabb, various other comments by conservative radio commentators over the years etc, are all therefore fair game in the discussion.

Cop meet out. I'm done. I'll leave you Gannius to have the final word since neither actually want to talk about the issue.
 
Cop meet out. I'm done. I'll leave you Gannius to have the final word since neither actually want to talk about the issue.

We can talk about the issue, although I'm not sure what can be said about it since it happened 12 years ago under vague circumstances.
 
I don't even know what a "race baiter" is, and no matter how bad Sharpton is he's no where near the full blown racist that Rush is.

And what does any of that matter? I notice you a Raoul use the same cheap argument tactic of trying to change the subject or imply some symmetry between the GOP and the Democrats i.e one is just as bad as the other instead of debating the matter at hand.

The fact is that high ranking public official accepted an invitation to speak at a white supremacist event and many people have serious question about whether or not he should be allowed to continue in his current role. That's the only matter at hand, not "obamacare" or "bengazhi", either debate the merits of the topic or not but stop trying to obfuscate.

Linbaugh is indeed a racist. The man sickens me and if he turned up dead in the Hudson River I wouldn't shed any tears for him. It's being reported today that Limbaugh says that the next James Bond can't be a black man, that he has to be a white man. WTF??? What demented womb gives birth to a cock-sucking racist like Rush Limbaugh?

As for Shaprton, he's not as blatant as Limbaugh but I really do encourage you to check this guy out. He makes a living stoking anger between blacks and whites. The man is grotesque.

The reason Sharpton relevant to this discussion is that Obama frequently invites him to the White House for consultations. It's a free country and Obama can consult with whomever he wishes, but his association with Sharpton is somewhat disturbing. That said, I do not believe Obama has a racist bone in his body. He genuinely wishes to see everyone get along and he's doing his best to do what he believes is right for the country. Agree or disagree with Obama on the policy merits of a million issues, but he is no more a racist (or not a racist) than was George W. Bush, whom to the best of my knowledge never sought the advice of anyone associated with white supremacy groups yet was regularly besmirched as a racist, as that's the thing political opponents (their surrogates, actually) do in the United States to score points.
 
Linbaugh is indeed a racist. The man sickens me and if he turned up dead in the Hudson River I wouldn't shed any tears for him. It's being reported today that Limbaugh says that the next James Bond can't be a black man, that he has to be a white man. WTF??? What demented womb gives birth to a cock-sucking racist like Rush Limbaugh?

As for Shaprton, he's not as blatant as Limbaugh but I really do encourage you to check this guy out. He makes a living stoking anger between blacks and whites. The man is grotesque.

The reason Sharpton relevant to this discussion is that Obama frequently invites him to the White House for consultations. It's a free country and Obama can consult with whomever he wishes, but his association with Sharpton is somewhat disturbing. That said, I do not believe Obama has a racist bone in his body. He genuinely wishes to see everyone get along and he's doing his best to do what he believes is right for the country. Agree or disagree with Obama on the policy merits of a million issues, but he is no more a racist (or not a racist) than was George W. Bush, whom to the best of my knowledge never sought the advice of anyone associated with white supremacy groups yet was regularly besmirched as a racist, as that's the thing political opponents (their surrogates, actually) do in the United States to score points.

I'm fully aware of who Sharpton is and he is no where near as bad a Rush. I've heard the accusation of "stoking anger between blacks and whites" countless time and let me tell you unequivocally that's not the case. The anger is already there and at worse Sharpton gives a voice to it. If anything he downplays and tempers it so he can sell himself to a larger white audience via mainstream media outlets.
 
I'm fully aware of who Sharpton is and he is no where near as bad a Rush. I've heard the accusation of "stoking anger between blacks and whites" countless time and let me tell you unequivocally that's not the case. The anger is already there and at worse Sharpton gives a voice to it. If anything he downplays and tempers it so he can sell himself to a larger white audience via mainstream media outlets.

how I see it too.
 
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