He's played 154 mins since August. On average he gets around 20-30 mins per game. So, you've got an inexperienced kid coming on with the expectation that he ought to make a statistical contribution to the game. I'm curious as to how more seasoned Sunderland forwards would fare under the same conditions and criteria.
Amad Diallo | Sunderland Loan Watch
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It’s a case of too much expectation on the shoulders of a young lad. Because of the money people are expecting him to come straight into the United first team and start contributing. Now he’s on loan at Sunderland and our own fans are still expecting too much. give the kid space to breathe and learn.
basically
I like what Mowbray is saying, he knows what he needs to improve. If he is to succeed we need to be in this for the long run, this is a slow burner. The skills are there and we took a chance on that, he now needs to be developed into an actual player. He's still only played a small amount of games at senior level, so even though he's 20, he's so far behind in experience than say Greenwood was at same age.
I can get behind this. He definitely should be further ahead in his development but most players come into their maturity for the first team around the age of 23-24.
Freaks like Messi, Maradona, Rooney can do it from 16 but those are rare circumstances and players.
Messi did pick up a lot of early knocks / injuries though and Rooney & Maradona’s careers trailed off at the end early so maybe those are against points too.
Yeah, he’s never going to fulfil his potential at the top level.
This has been his problem for AGES. Why isnt this being drilled home session after session with him?
Guess that’s that guys, MUFC OK has finally spoken.
Inexperienced is the best way to describe the lad because he wasn't in the starting XI even at Parma but was breaking through. I have confidence that with the correct training and development he will be an excellent young player soon.
Agree with this.
But the next two years are important. He's needs to be on a pitch every week.
He is on the pitch every week, sometimes even twice a week. The issue that folks seem to have is he's not starting or playing 90mins.
Well he's started one now, and let's hope he kicks on.
Tony , what is your opinion of a team that paid £20million for him almost 2 years ago and he still hasn’t shown any sort of promise ?
Tony here .. yah they have a lot of self loathing fans from what I am reading.
Yeah that's what I mean, last couple of months he's been playing at least some minutes every week. Massive for a guy whose barely played for two years.
It just has to continue for the next two years for him to have a chance.
He can't go back to being a part time footballer.
Have wanted him to succeed but I just can’t see it. He’s not torn it up anywhere yet in senior football.
Is Amad even improving though? He need to at least be doing very well on loan to give us promise that he can step up for us one day.
We need that Big Time Charlie gif!
Started for Sunderland tonight…U21’s
What a farce all round. From wasting so much money on a kid who hadn’t played any senior football to sending him out on one shambolic loan move after another.
This is that Rossi loan to Newcastle under Glenn Roeder (RIP) all over again.
Sunderland’s next game is Saturday and quite a few first teamers got minutes.
Ah, this is where the legend of Sir Antony Tap-in began.
Nothing like a good dose of context. It's like folks are so willing to pour cold water on this loan that every piece of news we hear about it is immediately interpreted as a negative.
The truth is the 30 mins per week (sometimes twice per week) that he's been getting is probably more consistent senior football than he's had his entire career. That's added to the fact that he actually started the last game. It's nowhere near as bad as people are making out.
Sunderland started 9 of their first team players in the u21 game, so I wouldn't really look too deeply into this. It seems like Mowbray is in trial and error mode and is experimenting with his system.
It seems some fans really want him to fail 
9 from the main squad and they still lost doesn't bode well
No it doesn't!
I wonder if the opponents were doing the same, or if it was an extremely experimental approach with little focus on the result.
I know if 9 united main squad options played U21s and lost, I'd not find it funny at all, regardless of how much experimenting we were doing.
Sure. It just indicates what a ridiculous transfer paying that sort of money for him was, especially when we clearly have had no pathway for his development.
No it doesn't!
I wonder if the opponents were doing the same, or if it was an extremely experimental approach with little focus on the result.
I know if 9 united main squad options played U21s and lost, I'd not find it funny at all, regardless of how much experimenting we were doing.
The opponent was Leeds and I only recognise 2 of the players (Greenwood and Gerhardt)
Losing my hope with him. He's still young, 20 years old, but for all the hype he came with from Atalanta to can't even start for Rangers nor Sunderland.
He's not going to make it here. We can't sell him for anything good at this point so I guess we'll keep loaning him.
He's not going to make it here. We can't sell him for anything good at this point so I guess we'll keep loaning him.
Agreed
It's always going to be a huge risk to pay 20 million for anyone that's not played any senior football. A lot of extrapolation and guesswork around potential and ability to translate that talent to senior football has to take place. If they've played 20 senior games and impressed it probably changes the probabilities immensely. I can only assume we were really high on Amad during scouting.
I think Amad has a couple of important years left before he is totally written off. He's tiny, he's a technical player - some of his improvement may come fairly late compared to some. At some point you do need 90 minute football though. It's all very well saying he's getting more game time in his loans but it's still not enough.
I think Amad has a couple of important years left before he is totally written off. He's tiny, he's a technical player - some of his improvement may come fairly late compared to some. At some point you do need 90 minute football though. It's all very well saying he's getting more game time in his loans but it's still not enough.
Especially for someone so tiny as Amad. Bellingham and Haaland would have been much safer due to their pace and frames.
That depends on what Mowbray got out of it as far as improving match fitness and team cohesion are concerned. A loss in PL2 isn't really a loss for him.
The essence is, why did we pay so much for someone barely ready for Championship football? a) Was it a pure incompetence? b) Someone got a ferrari? c) Our scouts went to the wrong pub for intel?
If (a), then it must have been incompetence from bottom to top, and no-one dare saying the truth. If (b) it must have been a fleet of Ferrari as well, because you need to silence many people. If (c), so you got the wrong tips, did you do the real scouting work on the ground, write a decent report, someone did a 2nd opinion with all the sports data, and they were all fake?
None of the above. We paid around 20m for him with the rest in add ons. 20m is the right amount to invest in such talents. We paid roughly the same for dalot in mourinhos era and its taken him 4 or 5 years to nail down a first team spot and he was older than amad was. Its actually amazing that so many people look at his performances for Sunderland and they see them as negatives. He looks okay technically and work rate wise in every single highlight video shared on this thread. He is making the right passes, has fantastic control and overall makes the right decisions. We should be more concerned about someone like elanga who is with the first team but you can see that he lacks so much its pretty obvious that unless something drastic changes for him, he will not make it long term at manutd. Everything I have seen about amad at Sunderland looks like a good step in the right directions. He is playing week in week out, he is putting in okay performances...he just needs to improve his end product regarding goal scoring and being decisive
Senior football or not is not the issue IMO. The issue here is that we never had any plan of what we are going to do with him after we spent the money to sign him.
Our recruitment under Ole should be metaphorically hung drawn and quartered. Whoever Oked the whole thing should just pack it up and never touch football management
It's atrocious we've managed to get every purchases wrong, big time.
It's atrocious we've managed to get every purchases wrong, big time.