Amad Diallo | Sunderland Loan Watch

Always knew he’d come good, his technical ability is top level, could play a major role next season. I’d like to see Pellistri get a good loan next season or more game time, there’s a player in him as well.
 
He looks brilliant at the minute. The rangers loan was never going to work, there is no football in Scotland. I really hope he can make the jump. I’m trying to think back to players we sent out on loan and they were able to come back and be brilliant. I think I have to go back as Jonny evans unless I’m forgetting someone.

I’ve thought back to Beckham, and I think Evans Beckham and Oshea (was only really Antwerp) are only ones I can think off who went out on loan and were a success when came back.
 
Dve said:
Whoscore does not credit press work. I think if you read his thread, you will find that the fans had a very different take on it.

The most extreme example of how Whoscored discredits press work, is Martin Ødegaard. He has been winning the ball back in the opposite half more than any player in the top leagues, and presses aggressively from front in full 90 minutes in every game. Still Whoscored labels his defensive contribution as "weak".
Click to expand...

If there are stats that measure defensive play in midfield well they're definitely not public.

People think Scholes was bad defensively but how many midfielders have we had that could have played against Barcelona in 2008 for all but 15 minutes of a 2-legged tie and helped shut them out?
 
berbasloth4 said:
He looks brilliant at the minute. The rangers loan was never going to work, there is no football in Scotland. I really hope he can make the jump. I’m trying to think back to players we sent out on loan and they were able to come back and be brilliant. I think I have to go back as Jonny evans unless I’m forgetting someone.

I’ve thought back to Beckham, and I think Evans Beckham and Oshea (was only really Antwerp) are only ones I can think off who went out on loan and were a success when came back.
Click to expand...
Welbeck was a relative success.
 
NoPace said:
If there are stats that measure defensive play in midfield well they're definitely not public.

People think Scholes was bad defensively but how many midfielders have we had that could have played against Barcelona in 2008 for all but 15 minutes of a 2-legged tie and helped shut them out?
Click to expand...

people need to stop letting stats alter their opinions. I arrived with my amateur league side to play a game and only 6 player showed up was a wedding and league wouldn’t rearrange. I played myself to make 7 I was just after an accident and was close to 20 stone so basically stood up front for moral support. We got beat 13-0 my pass percentage was easily 95% plus. I hit the kickoffs and only had about 20 touches. Stats are bullshit.
 
berbasloth4 said:
He looks brilliant at the minute. The rangers loan was never going to work, there is no football in Scotland. I really hope he can make the jump. I’m trying to think back to players we sent out on loan and they were able to come back and be brilliant. I think I have to go back as Jonny evans unless I’m forgetting someone.

I’ve thought back to Beckham, and I think Evans Beckham and Oshea (was only really Antwerp) are only ones I can think off who went out on loan and were a success when came back.
Click to expand...

I dont think it was the quality of football in the SPL that was the issue.

IMO. The manager was a problem -- he wasn't willing to have the patience to develop Amad and integrate him into the team. I suspect his expectations were way too high out of the then 18y.o. Maybe GvB was on a short rope and needed instant results to stay at Rangers? It was a poor choice by the loan team at United too for not doing their proper due diligence. (Gave him the no. 9 shirt, to begin with.)

Mowbray took Amad out of the firing line when he either say some mental/physical fatigue. But maybe Mowbray can afford to because Amad at Rangers was a January loan versus a full season at Sunderland.

I think Amad's ceiling is pretty high -- he is only just starting to show his potential.

The question is if playing 10-20 games back at United would best serve his fledging career better or going back on loan where he would get the benefit of another full season -- and another big leap forward in terms of understanding the game, allowing the game to slow down for him etc?
 
sglowrider said:
I dont think it was the quality of football in the SPL that was the issue.

IMO. The manager was a problem -- he wasn't willing to have the patience to develop Amad and integrate him into the team. I suspect his expectations were way too high out of the then 18y.o. Maybe GvB was on a short rope and needed instant results to stay at Rangers? It was a poor choice by the loan team at United too for not doing their proper due diligence. (Gave him the no. 9 shirt, to begin with.)

Mowbray took Amad out of the firing line when he either say some mental/physical fatigue. But maybe Mowbray can afford to because Amad at Rangers was a January loan versus a full season at Sunderland.

I think Amad's ceiling is pretty high -- he is only just starting to show his potential.

The question is if playing 10-20 games back at United would best serve his fledging career better or going back on loan where he would get the benefit of another full season -- and another big leap forward in terms of understanding the game, allowing the game to slow down for him etc?
Click to expand...

I think a loan move to a premiership side you play attacking football might be best for him. With Brighton likely to lose a few of their stars maybe down there would be ideal.
 
berbasloth4 said:
I think a loan move to a premiership side you play attacking football might be best for him. With Brighton likely to lose a few of their stars maybe down there would be ideal.
Click to expand...

Brighton would be ideal but thats assuming they dont have anyone in-house already.
 
vangagal said:
They have already signed Joao Pedro in similar position with Amad. Wasting time.
Assuming Boro win the play off, i'd be tempted to persuade Carrick to take him for a year.
Click to expand...
Joao Pedro is a CF, no?

Anyway Solly March is 28 and is probably in the peak form of his life now, and they have Sarmiento who did play RW/AM before his injury. Enciso has played on the right before as well. They have a few talented youngsters in the first team so no way they will play Amad unless they have an injury crisis.
 
Personally, I think Amad would play plenty of games for us next season. Watching his performance yesterday, you saw him popping up all over the different attacking positions. He could rotate with Bruno, rotate with Anthony or even play as a false 9. He’s the sort of player that elevates those around him with his quick thinking and pure technique. The better players he plays with the better he will look too! Fantastic talent!
 
Chief123 said:
I’m thinking more in terms of a successful loan being a player who came back to us and was able to establish himself as a first team squad player. I know Diallo hasn’t come back to us yet but it feels like he will do and could potentially be our best loan for many years.
Click to expand...
Welbeck and Evans. Both out in the championship and had good season at Sunderland. Both came back and established themselves
 
jeepers said:
Joao Pedro is a CF, no?

Anyway Solly March is 28 and is probably in the peak form of his life now, and they have Sarmiento who did play RW/AM before his injury. Enciso has played on the right before as well. They have a few talented youngsters in the first team so no way they will play Amad unless they have an injury crisis.
Click to expand...

He is a forward, he can play from rw lw ss cf. I dont think he has a definite position.

Yeah, Brighton make little sense for Amad.
 
If he can get a good loan to the Prem then I’d be tempted to do that, if Sunderland get promoted for sure he should stay there for another year. Boro with Carrick could also be good. But definitey should be a Premiership team, no Feyeneords, Rangers or Alvares please. If not then let him compete with Antony and assess after the preseason or the first few games.
 
NoPace said:
If there are stats that measure defensive play in midfield well they're definitely not public.

People think Scholes was bad defensively but how many midfielders have we had that could have played against Barcelona in 2008 for all but 15 minutes of a 2-legged tie and helped shut them out?
Click to expand...
We had Park so that doesn't count then does it?
 
Again on a “PL loan” — the type of teams who you would want to take Amad already a. Either have their own young talents to nurture and develop, or b. Have enough money to go out and buy their own versions. For instance take some of the Brighton references here — why would they want Amad on a loan when they can just use Enciso and Buonanotte?

If Amad is going on loan (which I really hope he isn’t), the only way I see is if it’s abroad or he gets Sunderland promoted and goes back for a season.
 
He's scoring some quality goals that's for sure. But surprised to see he only has 4 assists though all season. Is that down to bad finishing or he is just another example of a modern day winger who is more about goals?

PL is a big big step up from this league too so I'm not getting carried away either. If he can produce this type of form in the PL then happy days.
 
DWelbz19 said:
Again on a “PL loan” — the type of teams who you would want to take Amad already a. Either have their own young talents to nurture and develop, or b. Have enough money to go out and buy their own versions. For instance take some of the Brighton references here — why would they want Amad on a loan when they can just use Enciso and Buonanotte?

If Amad is going on loan (which I really hope he isn’t), the only way I see is if it’s abroad or he gets Sunderland promoted and goes back for a season.
Click to expand...
Many mid and low table teams will want him. It’s very common that those team will have their better players poached last minute, injuries or couldn’t get the players a they aimed for. A loan at PL is much better than loan at lower divisions, even abroad. They are trained to play at the right level, provided they are played often. It’s a win win situation.
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
He's scoring some quality goals that's for sure. But surprised to see he only has 4 assists though all season. Is that down to bad finishing or he is just another example of a modern day winger who is more about goals?

PL is a big big step up from this league too so I'm not getting carried away either. If he can produce this type of form in the PL then happy days.
Click to expand...

At the beginning of the season, a lot of his teammates had no clue how to play with him. They seem to want the ball to their feet when he prefers to pass with them running into space -- just like when he was at Rangers. He has more combinations and a better understanding of the players nowadays.

Plus Sunderland had suffered some injuries and the loss of his striking partner since Jan just when they were starting to gel.
 
Galactic said:
Many mid and low table teams will want him. It’s very common that those team will have their better players poached last minute, injuries or couldn’t get the players a they aimed for. A loan at PL is much better than loan at lower divisions, even abroad. They are trained to play at the right level, provided they are played often. It’s a win win situation.
Click to expand...
Yeah, because lower to mid table PL teams are filled with top 6 talents to nurture for a season and send back to get no real gain from. Even if they any do, his development will be second rate to their actual survival.

I’ve just had a very quick google to check the stats; there are two sub 23 year olds who’ve gone on loan from the Big 6 to other PL clubs this season.
1. Levi Colwill who went to Brighton — Chelsea’s biggest defensive young talent — 8 starts in the league this season. (This was also a bit of a bargaining chip for Cucurella also)
2. Sambi Lokonga from Arsenal loaned to Palace — 6 starts this season.

It’s not the auld days anymore. As I’ve said, clubs lower down the table either have their own kids or they’ll spend to buy them. They don’t need 12 months raising a bigger teams player.
 
cyberman said:
By being 100x better than anybody else. Are we arguing the Championship is above the Bundesliga here?
Click to expand...

What he did in Bundesliga wasnt purely on him. He was surrounded by players that were better than the opposition. Haaland for instance.

Also, a lot of Championship players could play for lower end teams in the Bundesliga. The gap between teams is huge
 
BerryBerryShrew said:
I'm not saying that he only signs Dutch players. I'm saying that he may have too much loyalty to the players that he signed personally over better alternatives.

Also mentioning Brazilians in the context of this discussion is a bit strange, considering that a large percentage of the complaints about EtH involve his inexplicable decision to drop an astronomical sum of money on a Brazilian right winger who doesn't score, create, or threaten generally despite him coaching Antony for two years prior.

That's actually why this discussion is in this thread- some people are questioning whether Amad would get a fair crack next season given that Pellestri hasn't this year despite 9 figure Anto not earning his place at all.
Click to expand...

ETH favoring players he signed is nonsense when you consider he signed and benched Casemiro for like 6 games.
 
Thiagoal said:
Personally, I think Amad would play plenty of games for us next season. Watching his performance yesterday, you saw him popping up all over the different attacking positions. He could rotate with Bruno, rotate with Anthony or even play as a false 9. He’s the sort of player that elevates those around him with his quick thinking and pure technique. The better players he plays with the better he will look too! Fantastic talent!
Click to expand...
We still regularly have Pellistri and Elanga on the bench who I think everyone expects Amad to clearly be a level above. Antony gets substituted almost every game whether it is for Sancho, Garnacho, or to move Bruno out there. There is plenty of time between the league and cups for him to prove himself. He doesn't need to play 90 minutes every week to develop for us. Look how much Garnacho has proven with the relatively limited amount of game time he has had.

Not really sure what he gets out of a season on loan to a lower level premier league side. Worst case scenario, he barely gets any minutes and is in a team playing a completely different style of football. Best case, he plays regularly but still has to adapt when he joins us the following year and we are also without a back up right wing option for next season, which is currently open competition between an underwhelming Sancho, an unproven Pellistri, and Elanga who is not good enough.
 
berbasloth4 said:
I think a loan move to a premiership side you play attacking football might be best for him. With Brighton likely to lose a few of their stars maybe down there would be ideal.
Click to expand...
Agreed a good loan at a good attacking side in the premier league would be ideal. Challenge there is that premiership teams don’t necessarily want to develop your players for you, without the potential upside of them having agreed an option to buy, which might not be in our best interest. This is without even contemplating the pressure cooker environment where teams need results. A team like Brighton who seems to have an excellent scouting network and probably a bit of cash in the bank through sales, will probably try and sign their own players versus developing ours - and it’s risky to loan without any sort of guarantee of playing time.

Loans between prem teams are usually around bolstering the squad or players surplus to requirements. That being said, Gallagher had a good loan at Palace, as an example, so it is possible, albeit just difficult to find an ideal fit/opportunity.
 
berbasloth4 said:
I think a loan move to a premiership side you play attacking football might be best for him. With Brighton likely to lose a few of their stars maybe down there would be ideal.
Click to expand...
If Middlesbrough get promoted they could be an interesting one. Apparently play a much more modern and attacking style of football than Sunderland so Amad might be more likely have teammates on the same wavelength, plus of course Carrick is manager so they already know each other. No idea if right wing is a position that they'd be looking to bring in a new player though. Mowbray seems to have done a great job on the individual level for Amad, but I'd say he needs a step up in quality and playstyle around him. In saying that there's a fair chance he'll be kept here next season anyway.

I would think Middlesbrough will likely get first dibs on any loans we send out as long as the player is intended to be first choice. Sunderland themselves will be fairly high on that list for other players since Mowbray did do a good job this season, but Amad has probably moved beyond them now. Hannibal perhaps?
 
He doesn’t need another loan, we’re seriously lacking depth of quality in wide areas, especially RW. He should be in the first team squad next season.
 
berbasloth4 said:
He looks brilliant at the minute. The rangers loan was never going to work, there is no football in Scotland. I really hope he can make the jump. I’m trying to think back to players we sent out on loan and they were able to come back and be brilliant. I think I have to go back as Jonny evans unless I’m forgetting someone.

I’ve thought back to Beckham, and I think Evans Beckham and Oshea (was only really Antwerp) are only ones I can think off who went out on loan and were a success when came back.
Click to expand...
Welbeck was really good until his injury problems mounted. Was a key player in our last league title
 
Sunderland or stay for me. That Sunderland manager has done wonders for him, constantly pushing him throughout the season.

Most managers wouldn't care less about a loan player, they are either good enough to play or they are not.
 
If we can sign a new striker, or hopefully 2 haha! then we have Rashford and Garnacho left, Antony and Diallo right, Sancho and Martial can do one.... Maybe Pelistri could have a season with Sunderland
 
You must log in or register to reply here.