He is not the same type of player as Garnacho. Different style, different skills. He does not have Garnacho's speed but Garnacho does not have his control and passing ability, easo to get pass players in a small place. Garnacho can never play the Bruni role but Amad could easily do that
Amad Diallo | Sunderland Loan Watch
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I think he'll inevitably end up as an 8 rather than a winger. He doesnt have the pace to do it, but his close control, eye and weight for pass makes him a really good option for midfield.
Can he not play for us now Sunderlands season is over?
He could, but he wouldn't be allowed to play for anyone else (bar us or Sunderland) until January. I believe that is still the rule.
I think that will also involve a lot of moving parts. He lacks any one of 3 that should be a part of his game to be manageable central midfielder.
Positional Awareness - Xavi
Nippy - Bernardo Silva
High Energy - Bruno
It will be like trying to transition Messi into a central midfielder, I can’t begin to think of all the tactical gymnastics a manager will have to make for that to happen. Top teams don’t tend to make such changes that might affect defensive integrity as that is the main basis of their success. It’s being forgotten but Eriksen was taken out of the Inter midfield when they were going for the scudetto.
In that Bruno role it looks a possibility but it’s a conversation nobody wants to engage oddly considering it makes sense for longterm/succession plans.
Would be a nice card to play if we have no intention of loaning him out next season.
I'm not so sure. A player like Bernardo Silva has shown it's still possible to play as a wide player relying mainly on technical skill and movement. You need the right team around you to pull that off, of course. Otherwise you're just your own island out on the wing. But that's what we're aiming for anyway, surely. To become a more effective and confident possession team.
Looking at the positions he played with Sunderland its very mixed. 11 starts as ACM, 9 as AMR, 5 as RW, 3 as ST, 1 as MR and 10 subs. He has a grade above 7, which is pretty good, in every position but ST (6.8) and 6.34 as a sub. Which makes me believe he's not an impact player, he performs best when starting. Which is definitely an issue here and I dont think he'll be starting in the short term.
But anyway it seems he's a really complete player that can perform in multiple positions, I'm not sure if that's better or worse as I prefer specialists since "wildcards" tend to be some quite good in many positions but not great in any.
Stats:
https://www.whoscored.com/Players/386634/Show/Amad-Diallo
Bernardo plays in a system that suits him a lot, with Portugal he isnt nearly as good as he's with City. Amad would be a perfect fit for a team like City, but for us I don't think he'd work as a winger. A similar case to Sancho.
Our style has to develop anyway. If we're still playing like this 2 or 3 years down the road when Diallo has fully matured as a footballer than we're in a lot of trouble.
I'm struggling to identify why you think he's an unnatural fit as a wide player or maybe even an attacking central player where he's actually played but would magically be a fit in a position he's never played before. That isn't even anything to do with styles or teams, that's to do with qualities and attributes. There is a lot that goes into being an effective midfield player that forwards don't have to worry about. A huge percentage of the game as an 8 revolves around protecting others, positioning, tactical aspects to control the match, physical ability to get between the boxes, helping to pick the ball up in deep areas - basically things he's not really required to show as a young, inexperienced and phyiscally developing forward. It's a weird idea.
I don't think Sancho has much to do with it. You're implying Sancho is failing because of systems but I think he's failing because he's Sancho, whereas Diallo had a good season in English football and should be taken on his own merit.
Was that a reply to me?
I think he'd excell as ACM, but thats Bruno's position. He's the player with most minutes in the squad, Amad would be a good rotation option but I dont know if he'll get the chance or enough minutes to develop.
I mentioned Sancho as a player I think would shine under City's style but struggles like hell with us. As you say our style has to develop if we're going to compete for the big titles but I dont know if ten Hag has a similar style than City on his mind.
Sorry I was just making a post and by mistake I repplied on your post
Haha..yeahSorry I was just making a post and by mistake I repplied on your post
I was thinking there is nothing in this for me to reply to.
I think he can bring something. With the technical ability of Amad, Sancho and Garnacho they could be used interchangeably, behind a new striker.
Even if we don't get a new striker we could bring Amad in along with a defensive midfielder and try something like this.
Garnacho-Rashford
Sancho-Amad
Casemiro-Palhinha
Shaw-Licha-Varane-AWB
DDG
Even if we don't get a new striker we could bring Amad in along with a defensive midfielder and try something like this.
Garnacho-Rashford
Sancho-Amad
Casemiro-Palhinha
Shaw-Licha-Varane-AWB
DDG
People are still thinking of wingers as in a transitional team but the way Ten hag wants to control possession up the pitch you don’t need very pacy wingers. It’s the control and intelligence that matters as in Foden, Mahrez, Grealish etc
The one reason Amad will bench antony is his decision making is already very accomplished
He will never make it at United. Too lazy and does absolutely zero off the ball.
Completely false.
Not sold on Amad ever making it at united...don't think he long term will be good enough especially to be in the starting XI
The mind boggles, how can you make that summary after the season he's had? What more could he have done?
that's the championship not the premier league or playing for United....massive difference
He helped knock out AC Milan after 12 minutes in a utd shirt, he's already shown he can make the jump. The question mark was over whether he can handle the physicality of English football, and going off this season the answer is yes. In terms of technical ability there's no concern over him not being able to handle the Premier League.
look i certainly hope he can make the grade just given how much we've spent on wingers over the past 3-4 windows ......and the only ones producing our the two homegrown guys in rashy and garnacho
I don't think anyone can really tell if he's ready or not. But the reality is he'll be 5th choice out wide if everyone's fit for us. As such he'll only get bit part sub appearances, league cup appearances, and it can be hard for young players to settle with that - Pereira had the same problem for us early on.
Personally I think another season in the Championship, where he can hopefully push further on and score even more, would be more useful than coming back to us. But I haven't watched Sunderland enough to know if he's ready for us or not.
Personally I think another season in the Championship, where he can hopefully push further on and score even more, would be more useful than coming back to us. But I haven't watched Sunderland enough to know if he's ready for us or not.
The question still stands, what more could he have done?
His manager Mowbray loves him to bits.
Sunderland fans thinks he is one of the best player to ever grace their shirt, some even argues he is the best.
I have watched probably more than 10 Sunderland games this season and have thought almost every game that he looks a class above the championship.
It must be the sunshine bus' day out
He would be 5th choice? Behind Rashford, Antony, Sancho and Garnacho. 6th if you include Martial who can play there. He may be the 2nd left footer we have but Rashford and Sancho will often play there if everyone else is fit and Antony isn't.
Ten Hag often opted for Bruno on the right wing over Sancho and Rashford maybe played a couple of games there this season. I even remember early in the season when Elanga played there over Sancho a couple of times.
He will be only behind Antony on the right wing and the same for Bruno really at #10. He has nothing to do with the left wing or Martial who simply can't play there anymore.
What the Fvck is this thread today??
From some claiming some sort of ill founded certainty that he won't make it here to others claiming he will be 6th (SIXTH) choice winger when in reality there is only one left footed right winger in the squad who isn't even tearing up trees
From some claiming some sort of ill founded certainty that he won't make it here to others claiming he will be 6th (SIXTH) choice winger when in reality there is only one left footed right winger in the squad who isn't even tearing up trees
Someone mentioned technicality? Heck, his manager said he is one of the best technically he has ever seen, at 20, watch how every pass to him sticks and his weight of passing as well.
Antony, Rashford, Sancho, Garnacho and Martial are all better and Amad will do well to become as good as any of those players. I'd play any of them over him in any match right now if I was Ten Hag. Being left footed is a "nice to have" not a necessity. I want Diallo to do well and he's done a great job in the Championship, but as we have seen with countless other players - James Garner just recently - there's a huge step up to make.
Now if Martial leaves, or Rashford given his contract situation and a humongous offer comes in from PSG (which I actually don't doubt is in the pipeline personally), suddenly a space opens up there. And we then need Garnacho and Sancho to step up. I see Amad getting minutes then. But we will almost certainly be signing a forward of some sort in the summer.
Otherwise he's best leaving permanently or on loan again - to a challenging championship team or a premier League side this time.
Amad must be shit then
I want him to succeed and all but stats wise... yes? Now I understand that it seems like fecking madness to defend them given that by our standards and by any top clubs standards, Martial and Sancho have had atrocious seasons. And yet statistically, Martial has been the 18th best forward and Sancho the 53rd best in the league. Diallo, comparatively, was the 21st best forward in the Championship statistically. Comparisons here:
https://footystats.org/players/france/anthony-martial
https://footystats.org/players/ivory-coast/amad-diallo-traore
None of these players are "shit", exactly. At least not statistically. It all depends on whether or not they can be improved and/or fit in to a tactical system that will make them perform better. Would Diallo play better with better players? Or would he struggle against the ELITE defenders of the world? Because Martial has held his own, at least, and has proven that he is somewhere near that level on his day.
Obviously I am not suggesting that Martial is good enough for us over the course of a season. A top 18 forwards means, essentially, would be the worst performing forward in the top 6 teams. But Diallo needs to come in and be -better- than that.
Did very well over there. It’s been a long while since any of our loanees performed this well. In any league. In any country. Perhaps Hendo is the exception.
Good platform for him to kick in.
Good platform for him to kick in.
Apparently he was too small to play in a competitive, physical league?
There is no pleasing some people...
There is no pleasing some people...
How do you know that will be what happens next season?
If he looks good in pre season, then he could be a starter, or ultimately, I believe, he could take over Bruno's position.
at start of the season Garnacho would have been the 5th or 6th choice but you never know how thinks change once the season start and players start competing and developing. You can guess how far Amad would be in the pecking order but the realitity is none of us would know until he gets in the team and compete on a fair level with the others…
The idea that he wouldn’t get games because he’d be “fifth choice” is preposterous.
We play between 50 and 60 games a season. We are able to make five substitutions each game. None of our attacking players other than Rashford are guaranteed a starting place. The squad has been a couple of injuries away from relying on the likes of Elanga. Rashford has had to play up top for large parts of the season, forcing Bruno out wide in his stead.
Rashford and Antony will probably start next season out wide when Ten Hag is allowed to field what he considers to be his best team. Amad, Garnacho and Sancho are interesting alternatives and there’d be more than enough minutes for all of them.
He’ll get a chance in pre-season and it’s up to him to take it.
We play between 50 and 60 games a season. We are able to make five substitutions each game. None of our attacking players other than Rashford are guaranteed a starting place. The squad has been a couple of injuries away from relying on the likes of Elanga. Rashford has had to play up top for large parts of the season, forcing Bruno out wide in his stead.
Rashford and Antony will probably start next season out wide when Ten Hag is allowed to field what he considers to be his best team. Amad, Garnacho and Sancho are interesting alternatives and there’d be more than enough minutes for all of them.
He’ll get a chance in pre-season and it’s up to him to take it.
Another season on loan to a lesser Premiership club would be better for his development. It would also give a better indication if he'll make the grade at a club of United's stature.