Are we that short on money we can't afford to keep him? Selling Sancho now is a ridiculous notion, we'll hope to be playing 60+ games next season. If either Antony or Rashford go down for extended period of time we'll be relying on Ganarcho or Amad/Pellistri/Elanga as our wingers. Pellistri and Elanga haven't shown enough to beat out Sancho, Amad hasn't played in the PL and we're basing his success on easier leagues. Relying on a bunch of kids to hold down the wings when none of them have ever played a season's worth of games in the top flight is ridiculous.
Amad Diallo | Sunderland Loan Watch
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By all accounts, yes. We need to sell to buy and we aren't gonna add much to the transfer kitty by flogging Elanga and Brandon Williams. If the Qataris take over it's another matter, maybe.
They're both better than Sancho imo, but we might need all three of them next year. If he can't get it together by the end of next year then definitely need to cut bait and likely bring in another winger. That being said, if we are burdened by FFP restrictions that might prevent us from bolstering other areas on the squad this summer, then definitely sell him.
I think he can do a job in the #10 position better than on the wings. Again I wouldn't mind seeing the back of him, don't see where or how he fits in with us tbh.
I see the comparison with Mahrez but I think he is more David Silva type of player. Amad is a creator than a finisher.
His stats this season say otherwise. 12 goals and 3 assists (I think) in the league.
Playing for Manchester United be it limited appearance and u21 games showed him to be more of a creator.
If he gets game time next season as a deputy for Anthony I know he will show more of his creative side.
It's not that he shouldn't be allowed to speak his mind it's that he comes off as bitter, envious and entitled. We've made the picture that he's a humble and shy person, and this behaviour skews it. It's not gentlemanlike, and unfortunately we don't encourage that kind of sportmanship anymore, like Fergie did when he gave Ole bollocking for his red card challenge versus Newcastle.
I think that tweet is a bit of cheek. Unnecessary perhaps, but probably just a bit of fun. I don't think we have to take everything so seriously. Do we want players to be able to say something remotely interesting or not?
To you it comes off as bitter, envious and entitled. I see a player having a bit of fun, a tongue in cheek comment. It depends how you want to read into it. Just the same way the "humble, shy person" is a narrative, albeit a far more substantiated one, because his manager stated it whereas our idea around a single tweet is not very reliable and I'd say it's not wise to form an opinion on his character so readily.
As a wider point, I don't really see a high degree of sportsmanship among any teams including us.The odd individual may show it occasionally. I think that ship has sailed, if it was ever there. It's just dog eat dog, so I'm not sure where you're going with this gentleman stuff. All teams are playing the refs, pressuring refs, time wasting etc. It's for the authorities to get a grip on it, and until then if you don't exploit it then you'll probably end up a nice, placid loser. I think we've found this out to our cost, especially in Europe.
I would happily give him Sancho's place in the squad next season to see if he can make the jump up.
I can't disagree with any of that, in fact it's my own projection of dignity and romanticism that my team, that I identify with in a way, should be representing the values that promote sportmanship and chivalry. After all, we as football supporters in general always try to differentiate ourselves from other fan bases by antagonizing rivals and positioning ourselves as morally superior, which is hypocritical to be fair. I'm not necessarily speaking about you or me or John over there in particular, but in general that's what majority of content on the forum when it comes to certain situations.
For example I always liked Son as a player and a person, especially as players from that part of the world have culturally instilled humbleness (Kagawa, Park Ji Sung also come to mind). Son was antagonized to depths of hell on here when he displayed some non fair play antics against us. Likewise Klopp, who everyone adored on here before he went to Liverpool and even after that for some time people were complimenting him on here only to have many people berate others for "wanking themselves over Liverpool's manager", and I guarantee you those folks would idolize Klopp if he displayed the same antics and behavior if only he represented our badge instead.
Likewise we oftentimes overlook misdeeds of our own players, furthermore people show appreciation for such behavior. Like when Ander Herrera was celebrated for always wumming opposition players. Or when Antony play acts that he's hurt.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that I would like to keep the idea that there is still hope for chivalry and fair play in the game. And I would just kind of love it if we as Man United could represent such values and be proud of them, like we were proud of our own Rashy when he did his thing fighting the government for the unprivileged.
Regarding Amad, I don't think he's a bitter, envious SOB, but rather a kid who's ambition, will to succeed and be recognized, got the better of him for a moment. He's young, he made a mistake it's nothing too horrible, he'll be fine. I just think that it would've been much better if he congratulated the lad that won the award rather than mocking the decision. He should focus his energy into getting better and proving the doubters wrong with performances on the pitch rather than voicing insecurities on social media, and I'm sure he will do just that, with the proper guidance from Mowbray at the moment and our own authority figures in the future.
Sorry for this wall of text, /rant over
So he’d play on the left and come inside using his left? Seems like a waste of his technical qualities.
Next season it should on paper be:
LW - Rashford, and Sancho / Garnacho
RW - Antony and Amad / Pellistri
But much depends on who suits ETH and impresses him in preseason and till the end of this season.
Alex Scott did have a wonderful season to be fair, not sure why there are green laughing emojis.
Sancho has played on the right, left and at number 10 this season. Not being able to make proper impact in any of them. I am just saying that I would prefer those opportunities be afforded to Amad next season instead. The problem is that we won't be moving Sancho on, which means that Amad is less likely to get consistent game time leading to a likely loan season ahead for him again.
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This doesn't at all reflect how he's played at Sunderland. Mowbray directly challenged him to create final product and he's resoundingly done it. He's the player in that side who turns the attacking football into actual chances and goals.
Same here.
Sancho will have 2 full seasons to prove himself - he's shown that he doesn't fit into our team and is unable to contribute.
Amad might not fit in either, but we won't know until he gets a chance.
Yeah I'm likely wrong as I haven't watched much of him at Sunderland. Just a vibe I get from the lad.
Although if he's the primary chance creator and he's only got two assists Sunderlands finishing must be terrible.
Not watched him much there, but have a simple question:
Bias aside, is he actually be good enough for our squad? Or just another relatively good championship who 'might be' good enough in a few years? Because nothing in his stats scream superstar, and the PL is vastly more demanding than the championship.
Bias aside, is he actually be good enough for our squad? Or just another relatively good championship who 'might be' good enough in a few years? Because nothing in his stats scream superstar, and the PL is vastly more demanding than the championship.
The thing is, that is everything but a simple question. Nobody has a simple answer to it either. We’ll just have to wait and see.
I know it doesn’t fit the modern football discussion where someone either is good enough or he isn’t. No nuance.
I know there's no magic answer, so should have probably framed the question better.
Does he have a realistic chance? If he was a Sunderland player, would any of the top half EPL clubs be looking at signing him now? Or would it be more a case of, we're stuck with him anyway, so might as well give him a go and see if it works.
Agreed with everything except pellistri.. pellistri desperately needs a championship loan similar to how amad went out. Not a la liga or serie A loan but specifically a championship loan. He needs alot of opportunities playing in England week in, week out. The mental and technical side of his game needs work. In place of pellistri can be sancho again since he can play both sides or by some chance shea lacey who i think is going to own that role within the next 5 years
I've watched quite a lot of him at Sunderland and I'd say his technical ability, decision making and vision are exceptional and I'd consider his attributes to be better than a number of attacking players getting game time in top half EPL teams albeit he needs more consistency. Whether he makes it here or not is ultimately unknown but I really hope he gets the chance.
Sorry if I came across as patronising etc. Didn't mean to direct my frustration at you, more at how the football discourse sometimes is.
Yeah I'd say he has a realistic chance. Being nominated for Young Player of the Season and making Sunderland a candidate for the promotion playoffs, I think a lot of premier league clubs would be looking at him. Considering how much Daniel James and Jarrob Bowen (I know his numbers were better for a longer period of time too) had interest when playing in the Championship, I'm sure most of the bottom half PL clubs would die to have a player like Amad in their team. Perhaps not top half clubs but you can't have a whole squad of top 4 players, you can't keep them happy. Not even City have that.
What I have most doubts about is how discipline he can be when defending and how smart he is when pressing in an EtH system. In possession he's very responsible while at the same time trying to advance the play whenever he can. His close control in my opinion is better than Rashford's, Sancho's or Garnacho's. Don't get me wrong, he's not a better player than them, but technically he's very good whereas Rashford & Garnacho in my opinion rely a lot on their explosiveness and pace. Amad is a bit different.
I really hope he takes his chances in pre season and forces EtH to make him a part of our squad. I'd say he's already better and more PL ready than Pellistri or Elanga. I'd loan Sancho (no-one's going to buy him with those wages) to give him kind of a last chance to impress with regular minutes. But only to a PL club or at least Serie A or LaLiga level.
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Amad stuck on 2 assist isn´t really anything to sweat about. His technical level, decision making and passing is very good. He is great at finding teammates running into space and he often puts is so accurately that they don´t have to break their stride. It really helps the flow of their attacking play. He is often an integral part of their attacking play that leads up to goals but not so often just the last pass, for whatever reason. They are of course also without a proper striker. Which might explain some of it.
If anything, we should instead be excited that he has so many goals so far, 12 i think it is, which is VERY impressive for a young player that is far from an out and out striker.
And he has been unlucky a number of times, hitting posts and crossbars.
Here's his analytics this season comparing to Championship players, and how he ranks as a percentile. Decent shooter, very good at progressing the game with his passing, elite at carrying the ball, but seems to be that phase/pass before the final ball (never crosses it, average xAG). But that's a brilliant statistical profile there, it's a complete creator and especially with him being so young, that's the sort of thing you see progress into true world class players. Needs to do it at a higher level, but if he can, he has world class potential as a creator.
See the image I posted above showing his analytics. That's world class potential, but he has to show that at a higher level which will likely take time. But his "per 90" stats this season, compared to the championship players, are world class (if you get what I mean). He's decent but not great scorer, and his been used in the phase before the actual chance creation which is why it shows he doesn't have a whole lot of crosses and average xAG, but his progression with passing and getting the ball into the attack, and all things ball carrying are elite while still having decent shooting stats is very encouraging.
His underlying stats are quite elite, and yes he'd instantly be one of the best technical players in the squad here while playing two positions we desperately need depth for. Many Sunderland fans think he's the best player they've seen play for the club, or close to it behind Sessegnon. This isn't a James Garner situation or similar. Amad was a top rated youngster in Europe for a reason and this year he's added much more experience in how to influence games
Sancho always seems to get another season and another to prove himself. We’ve seen nothing to warrant that squad place if you remove his fee. A loan out deal to another club in the hope he proves himself capable once again in a different environment in order to sell would be the best option for him and us surely. There’s giving new recruits time and then there’s giving bad messages to all new recruits about what’s acceptable here. So many examples in the squad of how longevity is still possible regardless of contribution it’s just abit shabby.
Always. He's been with us for 21 months.
And just 22 years old.
Indeed. He's got a hefty price tag on his shoulders which is not his fault. But he really has to improve next season. Three below par seasons is an issue. I'd consider loaning him out next season.
@top1whoisman @bosnian_red @Valencia Shin Crosses Thanks all for the replies.
That's actually quite encouraging.The major breakthroughs for eliteness in those sort of players seems to be between 22 and 25 so he has plenty of time.
Stylistically does he drop in the Silva-De Bruyne type, or do you see him in the future as an Enganche/Isco type of player, or even more of a Totti kind, given his goals? Most people here seem to be talking of him as a right winger, but this kind of player would usually only be nominally wide, and generally play in a freer role laterally.
Some crazy Pep idea like below could actually work, though I do think it could be quite hard to fit that kind of player into a team with Bruno and Rashford..
Shaw Licha Varane
Bruno Casemiro Midfielder
Hardworking LW, Amad, Antony
Rashford
ps. Sunderland fans have a good sense of humour! https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/amad-is-not-good-enough.1598619/
That's actually quite encouraging.The major breakthroughs for eliteness in those sort of players seems to be between 22 and 25 so he has plenty of time.
Stylistically does he drop in the Silva-De Bruyne type, or do you see him in the future as an Enganche/Isco type of player, or even more of a Totti kind, given his goals? Most people here seem to be talking of him as a right winger, but this kind of player would usually only be nominally wide, and generally play in a freer role laterally.
Some crazy Pep idea like below could actually work, though I do think it could be quite hard to fit that kind of player into a team with Bruno and Rashford..
Shaw Licha Varane
Bruno Casemiro Midfielder
Hardworking LW, Amad, Antony
Rashford
ps. Sunderland fans have a good sense of humour! https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/amad-is-not-good-enough.1598619/
I think best case for Amad is he's the left footed version of what we thought we were getting with Sancho. High football IQ, extreme levels of technicality, great combination play and good production from the wide areas. Neither will blow you away for pace but neither needs to. Amad is also a much better ball striker than Sancho even if he's not quite as good creatively in tight areas. Stick him on the right with the license to drift and watch him work magic.
Does he have the workrate for the wing, and would you even want him to do so though? Better to have him drifting about laterally (and in front of the midfield) if his job is ball progression through passing/running; essentially the creative outlet, and leaving the wide men to protect he flanks. This way he's able to combine with multiple players in different phases and areas. He sounds a bit like what Isco was supposed to become (or was in his very short peak)
Antony already progresses the ball nicely on the right wing, and though he's rather raw for this level, does a lot of the dirty work which you'd want there.
I thought he would have won their player of the year.
He's improved his work rate for sure so I'd say yeah he probably does. And yeah it's possible his best position is more central, Mowbray plays him there a good bit. All depends really on the makeup of the team around him.
I do think he'd be a fantastic option to rotate with Bruno next year along with competition with Antony
Its unthinkable. I cannot think of a similar situation
I actually prefer that Amad has an eye for a goal, based on our weaknesses in the league this season, that's what we are lacking