hahahha good one and some very good suggestions
Amad Diallo | Sunderland Loan Watch
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hahahha good one and some very good suggestions
I wonder whether British commentators may decide to use both names, as in “Amad Diallo” like they do with “Jonjo Shelvey“ and, often, “Luke Shaw“Completely irrational but I hate his nameAmad doesn't sound like a footballer. It's awkward to say.
Some of them just call him "Jallo".
Tuanzabe won promotion as a starting CB and would've started at Villa in the prem had we loaned him. This was a player that pocketed Mbappe, and yet had barely played since.
If your think Diallo is Ronaldo at 18 then well good luck to you. He's not displacing Rashford, Antony or Martial, he's likely behind Garnacho and Sancho too. And then there's the CF we're likely to sign too.
If you'd actually read the point I'm making you'd see it's simply about game time. Ronaldo at 18 replaced Beckham and there was a free spot on the wing. When's Amad ever going to see the pitch for us? 4 league cup games?
If not gonna get a chance with us. We have a lot in similar positions to him and pellestri who can’t get time. I would loan him to a premiership side and see how he comes maybe following season with premiership experience can force way in
Don't forget Solly March
Why would he get any game time at Brighton? They have exciting wingers already in the form of Mitoma, Sarmiento and Enciso and established ones like Gross and March.
It would be a silly move IMO, just like when we sent Januzaj to BvB.
He is right about Tuanzebe, he was injury-prone and even had a lengthy injury during that loan with Villa. He spent most of the following season injured. He pocketed Mabappe and then looked shit every time he played that season again.
I see your point regarding game time and Amad's development. The thing is you could actually make the same case for Garnacho who has Rashford in front of him and you could say Sancho too. Why don't we loan him too? We simply need quality options in every position. Amad in his position has only Antony in front of him and he missed around 10 games this season due to injury. He missed the same number of games with Ajax too last season. He has also been substituted a lot of times. Our backup for him has been mostly Bruno and Ten Hag has a preference for his inverted wingers. Amad is potentially the only one who could play this role in the squad on the right and help keep the balance of the team when Antony is out for whatever reason.
Despite all of that, I do agree he should be loaned or maybe even sold if Ten Hag thinks he isn't ready and not going to give him a decent chance to prove himself.
I genuinely believe there’s no reason why he wouldn’t be in every match day squad next season. Can play in any of the 3 positions behind the striker.
Even though he’s significantly better playing from the right, I think he would be a bigger threat than Sancho even if he played on the left. He would be a great option along with Garnacho from the bench.
Even though he’s significantly better playing from the right, I think he would be a bigger threat than Sancho even if he played on the left. He would be a great option along with Garnacho from the bench.
Pre-season, if he impresses, keep him in the squad.
Although I’m inclined to send Pellistri out on loan now and give his & Elanga’s minutes to Diallo.
Although I’m inclined to send Pellistri out on loan now and give his & Elanga’s minutes to Diallo.
There are many reasons to believe he will be better than Pellistri next season (let alone Elanga). But there is also a question related to our #11 - if next year he returns to the squad and plays (which is a possibility), then competition will increase significantly
This is a wrong comparison really. Tuanzebe is and was injury prone even in that mbappe season. Furthermore, we had multiple options who were more available at the CB and RB positions in all those seasons. Plus to me, Tuanzebe was not really that good technically both with and without the ball. Coaches must have seen this too. All that combined to him not having minutes in the first tean
Amad on the other hand doesnt have any of these weaknesses so far. In addition, we dont have a competitor for Anthony on the RW. Bringing back Amad makes sense. He has the technical skills and we have a gap in the squad for a player with his skills.
Amad isnt the only player on loan btw. We have for example hannibal and alvaro but you dont see alot of people asking for them to be brought back into the first team next season. They are doing well and progressing well btw...the biggest problem for them is we dont have an obvious gap in the squad for them. Alvaro for example would be behind shaw and malacia for the LB spot while hannibal would be behind casemiro, eriksen, bruno, fred, sabitzer and even donny for the spot in midfield.
People are pushing for Amad becoz he has the skills, has shown he has them and there is a need for a player of his ilk in our squad for next season. Its a no brainer really
Ah yes, that’s a good one
Next season I can see that Rashford and Antony will firmly establish themselves at RW and LW. We have capable deputies of Sancho, Garnacho (maybe Greenwood). We will add a top class ST. For number 10 role, Bruno will be the first choice and he rarely get injured and don't need rest. We also have Eriksen who can play the role.
If he came back, he will be squad player at best. For his own development, try to loan him to a PL club and monitor from there. If he is good enough recall him back.
As good as he is in the championship now, I still think that he needs one more year on loan at a PL club before he is fully ready for Man Utd. This is the best for his development.
The main reason why Dortmund keep producing WC players is because they give the young players the opportunity to play at highest level in the right system.
If he came back, he will be squad player at best. For his own development, try to loan him to a PL club and monitor from there. If he is good enough recall him back.
As good as he is in the championship now, I still think that he needs one more year on loan at a PL club before he is fully ready for Man Utd. This is the best for his development.
The main reason why Dortmund keep producing WC players is because they give the young players the opportunity to play at highest level in the right system.
The smart money would be to sell Sancho to an excitable midtable team with money and promote Diallo to first back up to Antony. And if both players play like they have done this season the only thing protecting Antony from completely losing his place - he is a good player coming into his own though - would he his relationship with the manager which made us pay an over the top fee for him. Bar Rashford and Garnacho none of our wide players have a solid case to be anything more than squad players.
I bet, if we sell Sancho next summer, Amad will give us more than what the latterr will ever give us. He has been living off his Dortmund achievements for two years but next season he could turn out to be a confirmed flop but if we move early then maybe a Spurs, an Everton or a Villa could give us £40m for him. If we hold on too long there is a very big likelihood that he we will fall further down the pecking order and reduce our chances of ever picking up a decent fee for him.
Garnacho and Diallo would be an exceptionally good pair of wing options to have. I think you’d have to play 3 in central midfield to make sure you were solid enough to actually keep the ball and get it to them, including one Lampard-style midfield scorer, but they’d be terrifying, and effective.
I think his wages, the fee, and the loss you’d have to lock in means that he’s very unlikely to go. I can only think of Chelsea who could (and would) do it.
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I already think the ship has sailed on a big fee due to his performances and the economic position of signing him. If he was some youngster that came through our setup and hadn't reached exorbitant wages yet it would be a different story. But I don't really see the clubs you reference going for it unless it was worth their while to take the risk. 40 million and picking up the tab for him doesn't sound good. He's on way too much money.
The only chance of a good fee is if we pay a massive pay off to Sancho to subsidize the fact his prospects of picking up similar wages are nil. At which point that big fee has been further eroded anyway.
Even if we sold Sancho, he will still probably be backup option to several players including new signings.
The best for his development would be another loan to a PL club where he will start week in week out.
Don't get me wrong, if he is back here as backup option I think he is more than capable but I don't think this is in his best interest in this stage of development.
Sancho not as bad as people are claiming if you actually watch the technical details of games. Saying sell for £40m is absurd.
He’s still young enough to overcome his mental issues and better technical players will only improve him. He’s a link up kind of player and will only look better when the rest of the team improves technically and we have fullbacks who actually get involved enough in the attacking phase
God I've been one of Sancho's biggest defenders but he needs to show some fight at a minimum. He's got a great technical base as you say but if he really wanted to get fans onside, he should just be working his arse off in pressing and defensive situations and the rest of his game will come back to him with confidence. I was wincing watching him pussy out of tackle after tackle and his duel success must be absolutely subterranean as I don't think I've ever seen him win a 50:50. Such a lovely player to watch in full flight but it's so seldom to see it these days.
Anyone think Amad technique and style is similar to riyad mahrez?
Agree with this, regular PL football would be a step up. PL loan best idea for next season.
No way this is the best idea. Its like we have prime wingers tearing up the league game in and game out. In reality we only have anthony for the RW. Not pellistri, not elanga only Anthony. This idea that we have so many options is a myth. Its a myth repeated over and over again. Infact, even Anthony isnt that good attacking wise
Amad can go toe to toe with Anthony for the RW and to me, its a no brainer that he has everything to take the position from Anthony. We should talking of selling elanga and sending pellistri out on loan, not Amad.
He's been having "mental issues" for 2 years now. We don't even know if it is a specific condition. It could simply be that he's not cut out as a character to play for United. There have been many like that. There are zero signs towards progress. Still lacking intensity, still passive, still unfit. When does the penny drop? I'm not asking miracles, just a sign he wants to run back, run forward... anything...then I'd agree that his fortunes could change. But if you don't take a first step it will never improve.
Why does he need better technical players to improve him? That's mental gymnastics at its finest. If he's supposed to be a technical wizard surely he lifts the technical level of the team, not wait for everybody else around him to be world class before he decides show it. That's not how it works, you're supposed to come in and make a difference. Even if the setup isn't ideal and you don't reach a peak, show you're a player to be trusted.
How much better than Luke Shaw at left back does he need? So it's our fault we've only got Luke Shaw, that League One player and until we get a better left back he won't be able to show himself? Again you're contorting yourself around the reality...he's simply not been good enough on any level.
I'd back Diallo before Sancho any day. Looks like he wants to play football and prove his abilities.
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Agreed, and i don’t think we have to narrow it down to rw position either. Amad can play on the left as well. We don’t have a world class lw killing it most weeks. Rashford has been electric there a few times last 3-4 months, but we know he is a streaky player and can go missing long periods with injuries and bad form. Garnacho is promising but is still very young. Sancho has a high ceiling but has been underwhelming for 2 years now. Martial is slowly descending into memeland with all his injury problems. Like a Jones or Anderson where we see 2 good games a year at best. There is a place to fight for there as well. Or in a cam role.
Every year you want at least one or two hungry youngsters who are knocking on the door of getting into the starting XI. It helps keeps things fresh and provide competition for places, without spending a fortune on a squad player. Garnacho has been that player this season, and next season it should be Diallo. He’s ready for that next step. Antony will be our first choice on the right, unquestionably, and Diallo will be an ideal understudy. With the option of Bruno filling in there if need be.
Where this leaves Sancho, I don’t know, but I think he needs regular games; and I don’t think he’ll get that here. Maybe the benefit of a low pressure environment. He looks mentally shot as a player. Not playing with anything approaching convincing commitment or confidence. It’s a shame, because he was a huge signing at the time; but it seems clear to me that the club didn’t do the due diligence that they should have.
You look at the difference between him and Antony. Antony, even when he’s having a bad game, he plays with a fire in his belly, a massive work rate, he’s combative, and retains possession well. Players like that, who are talented, but have their mentality, work rate and technical ability to fall back on, you always feel like they’ll succeed to some degree eventually. Antony plays with a deep determination, even when he’s being shit. Sancho doesn’t have any of that. He appears timid. A fair weather player. I’d love him to succeed, but the odds look stacked against him now.
If we were to get a 50-60m offer for him, I’d take it (with add ons). I doubt that will be forthcoming, and you have to wonder what good it’ll do him to be behind so many players in the rotation. I think a PL or BL loan for next season, with a buy option, should be considered.
Diallo is ready to take his spot in the squad. He’s always been technically good enough, but a year in such a physical division will have done him the world of good.
Where this leaves Sancho, I don’t know, but I think he needs regular games; and I don’t think he’ll get that here. Maybe the benefit of a low pressure environment. He looks mentally shot as a player. Not playing with anything approaching convincing commitment or confidence. It’s a shame, because he was a huge signing at the time; but it seems clear to me that the club didn’t do the due diligence that they should have.
You look at the difference between him and Antony. Antony, even when he’s having a bad game, he plays with a fire in his belly, a massive work rate, he’s combative, and retains possession well. Players like that, who are talented, but have their mentality, work rate and technical ability to fall back on, you always feel like they’ll succeed to some degree eventually. Antony plays with a deep determination, even when he’s being shit. Sancho doesn’t have any of that. He appears timid. A fair weather player. I’d love him to succeed, but the odds look stacked against him now.
If we were to get a 50-60m offer for him, I’d take it (with add ons). I doubt that will be forthcoming, and you have to wonder what good it’ll do him to be behind so many players in the rotation. I think a PL or BL loan for next season, with a buy option, should be considered.
Diallo is ready to take his spot in the squad. He’s always been technically good enough, but a year in such a physical division will have done him the world of good.
Its about giving them a sustained run in the first team without the pressure of a utd shirt. They need a run of 10-15 games starting each one to see how they do. Minutes on the pitch is vital. Better to get that on loan at a notts forest or southampton. Both Pellestri and Amad for me need PL loans next season.
Mowbray has played a big part in his career with this loan.
PNE play Sunderland at home last game of the season on the bank holiday Monday, might go and have a watch of how Amad gets on.
When you actually add up that we have Rashford, Antony, Garnacho, Sancho, he who shall not be currently named, Pellestri and Diallo we’ve got a lot of depth out wide so if you added a quality centre forward who can link play along with Fernandes in there too that’s a very strong attacking unit which Martial as back up.
Amad packing on nice size. I think he will be ready come August to seriously challenge for the right hand spot can't wait to see him on pre season
Where do you get this stuff. No it is not. It has never been. Garnacho didnt need this. Saka at arsenal didnt need these loans. Amad just needs a chance. Then he will do the rest. The games we are giving to sancho or to pellistri or elanga should be given to Amad. He will do the rest.
Even if he goes out on loan in the premier league, there will be doubts about his ability to cope with manutd. Why? Becoz it is incomparable. The only way to do this when you are ready is to jump in...then you either sink or swim. Amad has already shown that he deserves more opportunities at manutd. All the games he played for us prior to the loans showed that he was ready for the step up. Ole loaned him out becoz ole was an indecisive lousy manager. He signed so many old players we that led to us having a bloated squad. Amad was the easy option to send out on loan but he was ready even then. His time has come, give the boy the opportunities
Amad was not ready to be fully part of the squad and contribute meaningful minutes in the league when Ole sent out on loan. He barely played for Atalanta. His development has been fine and is natural. Glad he's done well with Sunderland and is learning how to play amongst men and in a physical yet solid league, but also carry himself and look for himself as a first choice footballer.
Amad has earned the right to get into the first team next season. But he'll have to elevate his mindset and attitude and be listening to the coaches. He's still a young player who has never been involved in a campaign like the current United players and it's only going to be more competitive in Antony's second season on the right with the expectations and demands in full gear.
Amad can most likely displace Elanga at minimum and probably Pellestri, who may still sign a new deal and go on loan.
Thank you for this. So many posters would wrap these players in cotton wool and provide them with 'carefully prepared loans' until they hit 30. Then it's time to sell of course. Amad is quality. Get him back and give him a shot. No point in him playing right back for Forest next season.
What would the reaction be if he changed his name to John Holmes?