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He has obvious talent, I'm just questioning the logic of signing him. We have a team with a ton of holes. We spent a huge sum of money on him with basically 0 experience, to then sit in the reserves for 2 years and then have a half season loan spell where he did ~feck all... it's just not been a smart investment. Ok, it's a long term signing. But to invest 20m+20m into a random prospect and wait 3-4 years to come good, and then have to pay the full price anyway at that point... Wheres the logic? It was just a pointless signing, and will remain so unless he ever becomes a key player for United. The amount we spend, you spend on a generational talent you're convinced will be a top player. Maybe that's amad... But it's a random hope so far.
The buying decision process is or (hopefully) was by (a bloated) committee and therefore lacked a cohesive strategy.
That's why you can see that one of the key elements to ETH's contract was the ability to veto transfers. It must have been something that was cemented into the organisational structure prior to ETH and suffered under all the previous managers post-Fergie.
I suspect organisational-wise it was intentional -- by Woodward so as to dilute powers and give him the final say-so -- unlike how it was under Fergie who was really the supremo and not David Gill.
Previous United managers essentially have all the responsibilities but without the authority. The worst kind of quadrant in the matrix. So in some ways, this different approach (from Fergie) sets up all Woodward era managers for failure regardless of how good they were or not.
Maybe this is a Rangnick input since it's more likely to come from someone who looks at organisational structures considering in his past remit.
He has tons of natural talent. But I think even those who can see that will want to be more certain of his mentality / physical output / decision making given we've got badly burnt with Martial and Greenwood. Not starting for Rangers is not conclusive or anything but obviously a bit disappointing given the standard of the PL is so much higher.
With every kid that is coming up, we tend to measure them against the one or two superstars around like Messi at a similar age. But 99% of the high potential kids just need to be developed with a dollop of patience -- rather than slagging them off or deeming them as unlikely to succeed despite being only 19.
One reason why United has always been renowned for its academy kids coming through is that the coaches understood this and were patient.
If the posters here were coaches at United, I bet less than 1 in 100 would have made it through. They would be all be looking for the one unicorn.
Thats why so many posters here have no clue what its like to be a professional coach never mind as a professional player. Its so black & white here when the reality of life is that its 90% grey and complex/complicated.
We paid 73mil on a player that could not run out of sight on a dark night!
Baller.
So good Rangers started Steven Davis ahead of him in a cup final.
Lovely player
Its not unexpected from a conservative manager like GVB? An experienced player who would be much more composed in a cup final -- and one they had to win in view of the EL Finals loss -- over a 19y.o loanee.
A Liverpooo-supporter recently told med that the Pellistri/Amad signing reminded him off Le Tallec and Pongolle. Even if not accurate, it is a bit of a reminder how much risk there is related to young players.
And Le Tallec was a very highly rated academy kid when they bought him.
The question really is whether the academy coaches are good at player development and have the patience with a long term pathway in mind for the kids.
What about the semi final and the quarter final? Was that conservative management due to selection on composure?
My concern is that if Instagram had a football team he'd have a shout of starting.
Him on the right wing, Sancho on the left.
Him on the right wing, Sancho on the left.
I will ask Gio the next time.
The concept of Elanga being more talented than Amad has obliterated my mind. How wrong can on sentence be.
It's clearly because right now Rangers have better players than people give them credit for and Amad Diallo is a 19 year old kid. But let's just write him off permanently because that's what we do here now. Diallo started in the Scottish Cup final and did well, and I think it's clear he has talent and is adding graft to that, so he is going to make it at the top level. Whether he will ever be elite is the only question and right now it's not certain but he's got it in him.
What are you actually basing that on?
Amad seems to be like a god among fans on here. He couldn't even get into the 16 players used for Rangers in their final last week.
I don't think either of them are actually that good tbh. We don't have superstars in the making with either of them.
Who is more talented to you? Mctominay or Ravel Morrison?
I'm not really following the comparison, Davis plays as a central midfielder - a 6 - while Amad is a right winger.
Gio has spoken. Lovely screamer against Uruguay btw.
The poster probably realises that the game of football is a feckton more than what a player does when the ball is at their feet.
Some United fans dislike football I think, this is the player they are dying to write off..
Still wrong. Just because Amad is slight and has great technique, doesnt mean his game off the ball is bad.
Find him much more hardworking and smart off the ball than our main wingers bar Elanga. Who's poor on the ball.
It’s a pashun to some I guess. Football should be a joy.
I think there’s potential there with Amad. He’s done things already that amazed me, he’s got his flaws for sure, but he’s clearly very talented. Physicality issues are most likely to hold him back.
He’s also exactly the kind of player I love to watch, who feels like they can produce magic at any moment.
Elanga isn’t even good off the ball!
Amad is more talented than Elanga, you can see it with eyes if you watch both of them play but Elanga was more determined than Amad last year that we saw Elanga added more muscles into his body before the pre-season even started, which earnt him a spot to play at United's first team first before Amad. A dedication and hard working, that's something Elanga had over Amad last summer. If Amad is physically like Elanga, he would have been above Elanga in pecking order last season. Not saying physical is everything, but when you have two young players who are still raw in their games then the physicality plays big part to be picked over the others.
Whose writing him off??
We can say that he's clearly not ready for the step up yet without writing him off you know!
They don't dislike football, they're just completely clueless about it.
The same people will whine that we're not aesthetically as good as Liverpool and City
This is overly simplistic too. Some people don’t put on mass easily, Amad is clearly small in both height and stature compared to most players, it’s not going to be easy to put that size on for him like Elanga did, he could feasibly have tried harder and not managed it. Hell he doesn’t necessarily have to if he uses what he has well (see David Silva).
Yeah, and hes only 19. Football ages and real life ages seem to clash. It may not be so easy for a 19 year old to get this level of muscle mass so easily, but time is ticking in the football world.
As much as we can all disagree with eachother on here, I doubt there are much posters completely clueless.
I do think some posters have a very narrow view on football maybe, only watch United and have pattially missed the revolutionary approach of the game.
Amad was very highly rated before he came here, and the only reason he isn't rated as much now is because he's literally hasn't had a chance to do anything.
He barely made an appearance for us (and still managed to score in one of his rare appearances) and made a handful of appearances at Rangers where he impressed for the most part.
He barely made an appearance for us (and still managed to score in one of his rare appearances) and made a handful of appearances at Rangers where he impressed for the most part.
You must be new to the rodeo.
This is what I call a poster who doesn't read the whole post. Like I said in that post especially the last sentence that physicality is not everything that is required but if both players games are still raw then the only aspect that will give the player edge to play first over the other is the one who is better or ready physically. On contrary, Silva doesn't need it because his other games or aspects are not raw.
We paid 73m for a player who was 2nd only to Mbappe with being the most productive player before aged 20 in any of the big leagues over the past 30+ years. He's a generational prospect as a creator... And he has the numbers and analytics to back that up in actual professional football, in a top 5 league. He doesn't need to have Rashford level pace to be a top player, he's plenty quick enough.
Amad was signed on the back of less than an hour of professional football, and has proceed to play basically no minutes in the year he was at the club, and then was a scarcely used sub in the Scottish League. He is of course talented, but physically he is lacking so much that he isn't even getting minutes in the Scottish League. Sancho is only 2 years older than Amad. 2 years ago, Sancho was Dortmund's best player and getting 20 goals and 20 assists in the season. There's a bit of a difference in levels there.
Actually, what you should see is somebody who pointed out that your statement of fact that Elanga had simply worked harder to put on the mass was, biologically speaking, a load of bollocks. I’m well aware physicality isn’t everything, you’re the one who talked about him not having bulked up enough because, again your words, he didn’t work hard enough and wasn’t determined enough, I was actually agreeing with you on the latter part with the comparison to Silva
The thing that annoys me the most about this signing is the massive risk and lack of reward for it (given all the add ons to the fee basically eliminating the reward you normally aim for to balance the risk of signing such a young player). We spent a huge sum for an 18 year old who is evidently 3-5 years away from even being part of our squad/doing anything remotely useful in the Premier League. And then if he ever does hit, we put a ton of add ons to amount the transfer to 40m. He literally has to become a world class player to make that investment, that far away from actually playing, worth it.
He clearly has talent, but it was just a really dumb transfer in a lot of ways. It's like someone signing Angel Gomes for 40m when he was 17. Bags of talent. 4 years on, 21 years old and only getting sub minutes for the 10th place Ligue 1 team. And I don't necessarily think Amad looks particularly more talented than Angel Gomes did.
He clearly has talent, but it was just a really dumb transfer in a lot of ways. It's like someone signing Angel Gomes for 40m when he was 17. Bags of talent. 4 years on, 21 years old and only getting sub minutes for the 10th place Ligue 1 team. And I don't necessarily think Amad looks particularly more talented than Angel Gomes did.
Rather than just pure talking to counter my statement what about provide evidence of your logic of why Amad unable to do it to counter my statement so we both can come into clear conclusion about it rather than going circle trying to argue. We are not talking about Angel Gomes's height and physicality here.
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