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Annahnomoss said:
It will be interesting to see how this draft pans out with so many players who were great for the club they'll be used from for a season or two. Personally I rate Nani for United higher than Robben at Chelsea for example if we're speaking peak with that standard.
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Disagree actually, Robben was excellent at Chelsea when fit and it was niggling injuries that limited his impact as opposed to anything to do with his performances. In his first season in particular he was fantastic and I remember wishing United had signed him.

I think he had similar problems at Real Madrid when they bought him.
 
Theon said:
Disagree actually, Robben was excellent at Chelsea when fit and it was niggling injuries that limited his impact as opposed to anything to do with his performances. In his first season in particular he was fantastic and I remember wishing United had signed him.

I think he had similar problems at Real Madrid when they bought him.
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Simply not true at all. Robben averaged as many league games per year in Chelsea, Madrid and Bayern. The difference in his impact and abilities is huge and trying to sell him off as equally good before but "playing less" is factually wrong. If you are playing poorly because you were previously injured then that counts against you as much as if you were playing poorly for other reasons.

His playing level has increased, but primarily he has developed an ability to come back from injury in form which he didn't have for Chelsea and Madrid. Robben didn't receive a single Ballon d'Or vote in his entire career until he went to Bayern.

I loved Robben too and wished we had gone for him before Chelsea, and when they sold him too. But he plays as many league games for Bayern in average as for Chelsea and the difference in level is huge, no two ways about it.
 
Annahnomoss said:
Simply not true at all.
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What I said is true - Robben was excellent at Chelsea when he was fit, his issue was hamstring injuries that kept reoccurring. In my opinion he was quite comfortably better than Nani and, particularly in that first season, looked like a potential world beater who United should have signed.

I'm not sure what you thought you were responding to though as you went on a tangent there - Robben is clearly better at Bayern than he was Madrid or Chelsea, particularly in terms of his end product.

I never mentioned anything about that though, all I said is that I disagree Nani at his peak was better than Robben at his peak at Chelsea which I believe is true.
 
Who's pick is it?? Wont be on much until about 7am so can I leave picks with someone...
 
Theon said:
What I said is true - Robben was excellent at Chelsea when he was fit, his issue was hamstring injuries that kept reoccurring. In my opinion he was quite comfortably better than Nani and, particularly in that first season, looked like a potential world beater who United should have signed.

I'm not sure what you thought you were responding to though as you went on a tangent there - Robben is clearly better at Bayern than he was Madrid or Chelsea, particularly in terms of his end product.

I never mentioned anything about that though, all I said is that I disagree Nani at his peak was better than Robben at his peak at Chelsea which I believe is true.
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I don't disagree with the conclusion, your opinion and it is tight between the two. But the reasoning for it, unless you meant that Robben was good when fit for Chelsea - but he played plenty just after returning from injuries too and it has to count against him.

It wasn't as if he was constantly great in every game either beyond recovering from injuries either.
 
Theon said:
Disagree actually, Robben was excellent at Chelsea when fit and it was niggling injuries that limited his impact as opposed to anything to do with his performances. In his first season in particular he was fantastic and I remember wishing United had signed him.

I think he had similar problems at Real Madrid when they bought him.
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It really depends how you define his peak there.

I do also remember cursing fecking Peter Kenyon every time I saw him in full flow, the problem is he didn't do it all that much or for long enough. It wasn't just the injuries but his relationship with Mourinho who started questioning his commitment (made some comment once alluding to Robben "being injured" when he just didn't feel like it). By his third year there I no longer found him a worrying prospect as his heart simply wasn't in it and he had lost that spark/hunger that had made him such a fearsome prospect.
 
Robben had a cracking 6 month spell for Chelsea but injuries and not being in favor with Jose meant he did not really shine after that
 
crappycraperson said:
Robben had a cracking 6 month spell for Chelsea but injuries and not being in favor with Jose meant he did not really shine after that
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Aye, six months sounds about right, question is then: what is peak form? Same goes for Hargreaves' single season, etc.
 
BTW, I signed Beardsley and another chap who hasn't been picked up yet. Can imagine there's massive bias involved, I certainly feel dirty, but a very good player nonetheless. One of the best midfielders of the 90s, no doubt about that.
 
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  1. Marty1968 - 1. Shearer 2. Terry 3. Yaya Toure 4. Bruce 5. Kanchelskis 6. Les Ferdinand 7. Barnes
  2. Skizzo - 1. Ronaldo 2. Campbell 3. Desailly 4. Gallas 5. Gilberto Silva 6. Kewell 7. Wright
  3. Cal? - 1. Henry 2. Torres 3. Hazard 4. Schneiderlin 5. Bryan Robson 6. Carragher 7. Sagna
  4. MJJ/Crappy - 1. Keane 2. Overmars 3. Ginola 4. Ince 5. Stuart Pearce 6. Fowler 7. Southgate
  5. Cutch - 1. Giggs 2. Essien 3. McManaman 4. G Neville 5. Barry 6. Des Walker 7. Hasselbaink
  6. The Stain - 1. Scholes 2. Lampard 3. Drogba 4. Ljungberg 5. A. Young 6. Baines 7. Carr
  7. berbasloth4 - 1. Vieira 2. Stam 3. RVN 4. King 5. Duff 6. Sheringham 7. Matic
  8. Kazi - 1. Suarez 2. McGrath 3. Vidic 4. Klinsmann 5. Waddle 6. Ballack 7. Azpilicueta
  9. Tuppet - 1. Ferdinand 2. Ashley Cole 3. Xabi Alonso 4. Petit 5. Mata 6. Andy Cole 7. Nani
  10. coolredwine - 1. Cantona 2. Irwin 3. Adams 4. Hyypia 5. Dennis Wise 6. Dixon 7. Gary Speed
  11. diarm - 1. Bale 2. Beckham 3. Van Persie 4. Pallister 5. Le Tissier 6. Batty 7. Colin Hendry
  12. Gio - 1. Gerrard 2. Makelele 3. Robben 4. Kompany 5. Petrescu 6. Tevez 7. Adebayor 8. Van der Sar
  13. VivaJanuzaj - 1. Bergkamp 2. Modrić 3. Evra 4. Ivanović 5. Hargreaves 6. Owen 7. Joe Cole 8. de Jong
  14. Stobzilla - 1. Rooney 2. Pires 3. Carvalho 4. Beardsley 5. Radebe 6. Gullit 7. Butt 8. Riise
  15. bleezy - 1. Fabregas 2. Agüero 3. Sanchez 4. Mascherano 5. Kolo Toure 6. Le Saux 7. Johnsen 8. Schmeichel
  16. Šjor Bepo - 1. Zola 2. Carrick 3. David Silva 4. Zabaleta 5. McAllister 6. Keown 7. Winterburn 8. Lebouef
@diarm
 
antohan said:
Aye, six months sounds about right, question is then: what is peak form? Same goes for Hargreaves' single season, etc.
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6 months is a bit harsh. His first two seasons were very good and he was an important part of that ruthless Chelsea unit, giving it some much-needed width and flair (which they long missed until Hazard arrived). Agree on his third season though, it frittered away with injuries and a parting of the ways was inevitable.
 
And to complete my midfield:

Tim Sherwood

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  1. Marty1968 - 1. Shearer 2. Terry 3. Yaya Toure 4. Bruce 5. Kanchelskis 6. Les Ferdinand 7. Barnes
  2. Skizzo - 1. Ronaldo 2. Campbell 3. Desailly 4. Gallas 5. Gilberto Silva 6. Kewell 7. Wright
  3. Cal? - 1. Henry 2. Torres 3. Hazard 4. Schneiderlin 5. Bryan Robson 6. Carragher 7. Sagna
  4. MJJ/Crappy - 1. Keane 2. Overmars 3. Ginola 4. Ince 5. Stuart Pearce 6. Fowler 7. Southgate
  5. Cutch - 1. Giggs 2. Essien 3. McManaman 4. G Neville 5. Barry 6. Des Walker 7. Hasselbaink
  6. The Stain - 1. Scholes 2. Lampard 3. Drogba 4. Ljungberg 5. A. Young 6. Baines 7. Carr
  7. berbasloth4 - 1. Vieira 2. Stam 3. RVN 4. King 5. Duff 6. Sheringham 7. Matic
  8. Kazi - 1. Suarez 2. McGrath 3. Vidic 4. Klinsmann 5. Waddle 6. Ballack 7. Azpilicueta
  9. Tuppet - 1. Ferdinand 2. Ashley Cole 3. Xabi Alonso 4. Petit 5. Mata 6. Andy Cole 7. Nani
  10. coolredwine - 1. Cantona 2. Irwin 3. Adams 4. Hyypia 5. Dennis Wise 6. Dixon 7. Gary Speed
  11. diarm - 1. Bale 2. Beckham 3. Van Persie 4. Pallister 5. Le Tissier 6. Batty 7. Hendry 8. Sherwood
  12. Gio - 1. Gerrard 2. Makelele 3. Robben 4. Kompany 5. Petrescu 6. Tevez 7. Adebayor 8. Van der Sar
  13. VivaJanuzaj - 1. Bergkamp 2. Modrić 3. Evra 4. Ivanović 5. Hargreaves 6. Owen 7. Joe Cole 8. de Jong
  14. Stobzilla - 1. Rooney 2. Pires 3. Carvalho 4. Beardsley 5. Radebe 6. Gullit 7. Butt 8. Riise
  15. bleezy - 1. Fabregas 2. Agüero 3. Sanchez 4. Mascherano 5. Kolo Toure 6. Le Saux 7. Johnsen 8. Schmeichel
  16. Šjor Bepo - 1. Zola 2. Carrick 3. David Silva 4. Zabaleta 5. McAllister 6. Keown 7. Winterburn 8. Lebouef
@coolredwine
 
Aldo said:
So good, Blackburn refused to buy Zidane because they had him. :D
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I think with the benefit of history, we can all look back at this as a decision well made. And just look at that hair!
 
diarm said:
I think with the benefit of history, we can all look back at this as a decision well made. And just look at that hair!
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"Look at my hair now, mate"

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"I said a little off the top..then he showed me...I said whaaaaat?"

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"I was so mad"

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"So I went to my Zen place"

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"Am I ever going back?"

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Gio said:
6 months is a bit harsh. His first two seasons were very good and he was an important part of that ruthless Chelsea unit, giving it some much-needed width and flair (which they long missed until Hazard arrived). Agree on his third season though, it frittered away with injuries and a parting of the ways was inevitable.
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I agree he had good performances over the first two seasons, just that six months is what I would call his consistent peak form there, the rest was more hit and miss. Not that wingers don't tend to be a bit hit and miss...
 
  1. Marty1968 - 1. Shearer 2. Terry 3. Yaya Toure 4. Bruce 5. Kanchelskis 6. Les Ferdinand 7. Barnes
  2. Skizzo - 1. Ronaldo 2. Campbell 3. Desailly 4. Gallas 5. Gilberto Silva 6. Kewell 7. Wright
  3. Cal? - 1. Henry 2. Torres 3. Hazard 4. Schneiderlin 5. Bryan Robson 6. Carragher 7. Sagna
  4. MJJ/Crappy - 1. Keane 2. Overmars 3. Ginola 4. Ince 5. Stuart Pearce 6. Fowler 7. Southgate
  5. Cutch - 1. Giggs 2. Essien 3. McManaman 4. G Neville 5. Barry 6. Des Walker 7. Hasselbaink
  6. The Stain - 1. Scholes 2. Lampard 3. Drogba 4. Ljungberg 5. A. Young 6. Baines 7. Carr
  7. berbasloth4 - 1. Vieira 2. Stam 3. RVN 4. King 5. Duff 6. Sheringham 7. Matic
  8. Kazi - 1. Suarez 2. McGrath 3. Vidic 4. Klinsmann 5. Waddle 6. Ballack 7. Azpilicueta
  9. Tuppet - 1. Ferdinand 2. Ashley Cole 3. Xabi Alonso 4. Petit 5. Mata 6. Andy Cole 7. Nani
  10. coolredwine - 1. Cantona 2. Irwin 3. Adams 4. Hyypia 5. Dennis Wise 6. Dixon 7. Gary Speed 8. Hamann
  11. diarm - 1. Bale 2. Beckham 3. Van Persie 4. Pallister 5. Le Tissier 6. Batty 7. Hendry 8. Sherwood
  12. Gio - 1. Gerrard 2. Makelele 3. Robben 4. Kompany 5. Petrescu 6. Tevez 7. Adebayor 8. Van der Sar
  13. VivaJanuzaj - 1. Bergkamp 2. Modrić 3. Evra 4. Ivanović 5. Hargreaves 6. Owen 7. Joe Cole 8. de Jong
  14. Stobzilla - 1. Rooney 2. Pires 3. Carvalho 4. Beardsley 5. Radebe 6. Gullit 7. Butt 8. Riise
  15. bleezy - 1. Fabregas 2. Agüero 3. Sanchez 4. Mascherano 5. Kolo Toure 6. Le Saux 7. Johnsen 8. Schmeichel
  16. Šjor Bepo - 1. Zola 2. Carrick 3. David Silva 4. Zabaleta 5. McAllister 6. Keown 7. Winterburn 8. Lebouef
@Tuppet
 
coolredwine said:
Honestly surprised he has been left out for so long. And when I noticed he hasn't been picked, Hamann became an automatic choice.
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Danger of not having much creativity with Hamann, Wise and Speed. Hard workers yes but killer pass, vision to dissect an opponents defense??... Can't leave it all to King Eric...
 
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