All-Time Fantasy Draft

[Fergus' son]

Der Kaiser is another choice, I know he played as a centre back but I am unfamiliar as to weather or not he played in front of the back 4.

As in midfield? He did. Go for Matthaus though is my advice.

We would love Beckenbauer

It's a headache trying to get the best out of him, and when you do no one really pays him any attention. I was told that he would struggle to link up with my midfield (from his libero position) and that 532/352 is useless in the modern game.

 

[Isotope]

It's not about that though really is it ? It's about opinions on the best teams and what not.

Yeh. I was just joking. .. was I?

 

[Theon]

It's a headache trying to get the best out of him, and when you do no one really pays him any attention. I was told that he would struggle to link up with my midfield (from his libero position) and that 532/352 is useless in the modern game.

Yeah I can imagine. I don't think voters will fully appreciate him in centre mid, but with his libero position you do need to build a suitable defence which could be tough.

 

[Isotope]

As in midfield? He did. Go for Matthaus though is my advice.



It's a headache trying to get the best out of him, and when you do no one really pays him any attention. I was told that he would struggle to link up with my midfield (from his libero position) and that 532/352 is useless in the modern game.

Haven't watched much of the Kaiser, but Sammer spent most of his time on DM/midfield position (event though his starting position is Libero). Just another disadvantage of static graphic formation.

 

[Fergus' son]

Yeah I can imagine. I don't think voters will fully appreciate him in centre mid, but with his libero position you do need to build a suitable defence which could be tough.

Some peope are really keen on him in centre mid. I would strongly advise anyone thinking of using a libero system to disregard the idea completely, no matter what defence is around him. Even two of the best wingbacks you could get and two great defensive midfielders to bring out the best in him didn't get people (or, anything close to the majority of people) to realise how he could influence the game, which is a shame when we're talking about one of the top 5 players in the draft.

 

[NM]

I am actually going to say F it and am going to abandon my winger system. Midfield is the way to go. Such is the effect of Wankalona.

 

[Fergus' son]

I am actually going to say F it and am going to abandon my winger system. Midfield is the way to go. Such is the effect of Wankalona.

You needed up winning by a decent margin with your midfield so it may not be as important as you first thought it was, though generally I agree. Isotopes midfield was awfully OTT with Veron etc but people did seem to inexplicably love it. It was his move to 5 at the back that made him lose, the draft version of suicide!

 

[antohan]

Der Kaiser is another choice, I know he played as a centre back but I am unfamiliar as to weather or not he played in front of the back 4.

Speaking of which, that's the big unanswered question I had from Fergus' game.

I know technically the terms are interchangeable, but I always use sweeper when referring to a defender primarily sweeping behind the CBs, and libero for one primarily infront of the CBs. I guess everyone just calls that a DM now, but it is not the same since you are never going to find a DM sweeping behind CBs occasionally.

With Fergus having to take care of the one striker in Eto'o, it made more sense to me for Beckenbauer to be further forward, onto Maradona, and initiating moves. I could see him being more involved and way more effective there than stuck almost in goal behind the likes of Vidic and Costacurta. He looked completely wasted TBH.

Was it just me? Because no one picked on that comment at all.

 

[antohan]

That's why I was surprised you vote for me, Stob. 'Strategically' wise, my team being eliminated is an advantage for you, regarding player and picking order.

That's why Antohan vote for jakec

Actually, I didn't.

 

[antohan]

Some peope are really keen on him in centre mid. I would strongly advise anyone thinking of using a libero system to disregard the idea completely, no matter what defence is around him. Even two of the best wingbacks you could get and two great defensive midfielders to bring out the best in him didn't get people (or, anything close to the majority of people) to realise how he could influence the game, which is a shame when we're talking about one of the top 5 players in the draft.

Mate, you've just put it right there: 2 CBs, 2 wingbacks, 1 libero, 2 DMs... and most of the threat from the other side was "just" Maradona.

Defensive overkill, despite having one of the best centreforward partnerships around you just didn't look anywhere near scoring.

 

[Fergus' son]

Yeh. I was just joking. .. was I?

I think there is an element of strategic voting that goes on.

 

[NM]

I think there is an element of strategic voting that goes on.

Disagree on that. I don't do it and I think it makes no sense to do so - also it is just plain wrong!

 

[Fergus' son]

Disagree on that. I don't do it and I think it makes no sense to do so - also it is just plain wrong!

What's wrong? To do so or the assertion?

 

[antohan]

I think there is an element of strategic voting that goes on.

Don't think so.

Prior to the games I listed who I thought would win each game. I thought the only games that would be hotly contested were mine, Brwned v. EDogen and MBR v. Dan. The last two I was expecting upsets to those with "older" players (Brwned and MBR).

Brwned just about managed to make it, the rest of the games went the way I expected, although not without Iso and paceme playing a blinder and their rivals making life hard for themselves.

The only one I did not expect to end up as it did at all was yours, but that's because you had been collecting liberos and I presumed that implied Beckenbauer would play further upfield.

 

[NM]

What's wrong? To do so or the assertion?

To do strategic voting. not the assertion.

 

[Isotope]

Actually, I didn't.

But that was the joke!

 

[antohan]

But that was the joke!

 

[antohan]

Reinforcements Round

Firstly: Same rules as before, 6 hours, with a 12 hour card except if you are Thisistheone or Stobzilla (even if no one follows my bolding system, I don't forget!!!).

Players made available:

1. Beckenbauer 2. Eusebio 3. Didi 4. Krol 5. Zanetti 6. Kocsis 7. Vidic 8. Shesternyov 9. Pirri 10. Czibor 11. Pfaff 12. Ocwirk 13. Costacurta

1. Duncan Edwards 2. Garrincha 3. Muller 4. Luis Suárez 5. Meazza 6. Schmeichel 7. Rui Costa 8. Nasazzi 9. Chumpitaz 10. Zebec 11. Monti 12. Suurbier 13. Quincoces

1. Ronaldo 2. Maldini 3. Deschamps 4. Gento 5. Stam 6. Law 7. Deco 8. Janes 9. Augusto 10. Peters 11. Giles 12. Gamarra 13. Fillol

1. Ferenc Puskas 2. Stoichkov 3. Breitner 4. Jairzinho 5. Bergomi 6. Varela 7. Koeman 8. Marzolini 9. Gerets 10. Kopa 11. Shilton 12. Johnstone 13. Popescu

1. Cruyff 2. Moore 3. Redondo 4. Figo 5. Romario 6. Desailly 7. Dzajic 8. Schnellinger 9. Essien 10. Guardiola 11. Southall 12. Burgnich 13. Sanchez

1. Platini 2. Xavi 3. Rivaldo 4. Kohler 5. Davids 6. Gentile 7. Moreno 8. Nordahl 9. Franklin 10. Jennings 11. Demyanenko 12. Morton 13. Stankovic

1. Zico 2. L. Matthäus 3. Santamaríá 4. Hansen 5. Hagi 6. Finney 7. Viera 8. Irwin 9. Cabrini 10. Raul 11. Veron 12. Cordoba 13. Chilavert

1. Figueroa 2. Baresi 3. Voronin 4. Masopust 5. Batistuta 6. Gullit 7. Socrates 8. Amoros 9. Schuster 10. Gordillo 11. Beckham 12. Gregg 13. Mackay

Picking order:

Stobzilla: 1.
Antohan:
Brwned:
Cutch:
NM:
Thisistheone:
KM:
DanNistelrooy:

Gio will post the quarter-final draw soon.

 

[Gio]

Quarter Final Draw

Stobzilla v DanNistelrooy
KM v Thisistheone
NM v Antohan
Cutch v Brwned

 

[DanNistelrooy]

Eurgh could have done with being a bit further up that list.

Where do people think I need to improve. From the comments it seems as though Seedorf/Gazza/Makelele weren't too popular, I'm surprised but that's fair enough. Also Drogba replacement maybe?

Edit - looking at the draw I am up against Stobzilla and Zidane next so would make sense to keep Makelele in...

Thoughts?

 

[Thisistheone]

Cutch v Brwned!

KM is going to be interesting for me. Maradona vs Messi

 

[KM]

Think I need to improve my midfield, but every suggestions are welcome!

 

[Fergus' son]

Interesting that the draw is made before drafting is complete, I'm sure it will affect a few decisions.

 

[antohan]

Thanks Gio. I was going to curse you but then realised there are no easy draws anyway!

 

[Fergus' son]

Firstly: Same rules as before, 6 hours, with a 12 hour card except if you are Thisistheone or Stobzilla (even if no one follows my bolding system, I don't forget!!!).

Players made available:

1. Beckenbauer 2. Eusebio 3. Didi 4. Krol 5. Zanetti 6. Kocsis 7. Vidic 8. Shesternyov 9. Pirri 10. Czibor 11. Pfaff 12. Ocwirk 13. Costacurta

1. Duncan Edwards 2. Garrincha 3. Muller 4. Luis Suárez 5. Meazza 6. Schmeichel 7. Rui Costa 8. Nasazzi 9. Chumpitaz 10. Zebec 11. Monti 12. Suurbier 13. Quincoces

1. Ronaldo 2. Maldini 3. Deschamps 4. Gento 5. Stam 6. Law 7. Deco 8. Janes 9. Augusto 10. Peters 11. Giles 12. Gamarra 13. Fillol

1. Ferenc Puskas 2. Stoichkov 3. Breitner 4. Jairzinho 5. Bergomi 6. Varela 7. Koeman 8. Marzolini 9. Gerets 10. Kopa 11. Shilton 12. Johnstone 13. Popescu

1. Cruyff 2. Moore 3. Redondo 4. Figo 5. Romario 6. Desailly 7. Dzajic 8. Schnellinger 9. Essien 10. Guardiola 11. Southall 12. Burgnich 13. Sanchez

1. Platini 2. Xavi 3. Rivaldo 4. Kohler 5. Davids 6. Gentile 7. Moreno 8. Nordahl 9. Franklin 10. Jennings 11. Demyanenko 12. Morton 13. Stankovic

1. Zico 2. L. Matthäus 3. Santamaríá 4. Hansen 5. Hagi 6. Finney 7. Viera 8. Irwin 9. Cabrini 10. Raul 11. Veron 12. Cordoba 13. Chilavert

1. Figueroa 2. Baresi 3. Voronin 4. Masopust 5. Batistuta 6. Gullit 7. Socrates 8. Amoros 9. Schuster 10. Gordillo 11. Beckham 12. Gregg 13. Mackay

Picking order:

Stobzilla: 1.
Antohan:
Brwned:
Cutch:
NM:
Thisistheone:
KM:
DanNistelrooy:

Gio will post the quarter-final draw soon.

Stobzilla - Matthaus
Antohan - Beckenbauer
Brwned - Eusebio/Kocsis/Puskas
Cutch - Redondo
NM - Edwards
Thisistheone - Breitner
KM - Cruyff
DanNistlerooy - Platini

My predictions for the first round picks..

 

[NM]

wtf? why is the draw before the draft?

also, am I correct in saying I'm playing Antohan?

 

[antohan]

Edit - looking at the draw I am up against Stobzilla and Zidane next so would make sense to keep Makelele in...

Thoughts?

One advantage you get being so far back is you will know what move Stob makes and, by your turn, what else he may be able to get. That will probably have a huge say on your picks.

 

[Thisistheone]

Agree that Breitner would be perfect for me.

 

[antohan]

Cutch v Brwned!

KM is going to be interesting for me. Maradona vs Messi

You two were actually lucky to draw each other. Probably the sides that look the most "work in progress" as far as I'm concerned.

And Brwned will be looking forward to getting Marco now (if only Cutch would be so kind...). Decisions, decisions...

 

[EDogen]

Think having the draw before the draft is strange.

Also gutted not being apart of this longer!

 

[NM]

You two were actually lucky to draw each other. Probably the sides that look the most "work in progress" as far as I'm concerned.

And Brwned will be looking forward to getting Marco now (if only Cutch would be so kind...). Decisions, decisions...

Antohan - why would you have the draw before the draft? Now we will have tailorred sides, while earlier each side would just be trying to be the best they could.

 

[antohan]

For those who can't bother read the main thread

Originally I thought it would be interesting to go blind, but no, we will be having the draw before reinforcements.

It would be a shame if, say, someone picked Maradona (I know, not available) only to find he is facing KM (Messi) or Brwned (Don Alfredo) next. At the same time, maybe without him you wouldn't win that game... Interesting decisions to be made!

Anything that adds variables to the decision-making tends to make it a lot more fun (and excruciating ).

It should ensure teams get as strong as possible going forward, which also helps make the final game quite an interesting one!

...

 

[NM]

...

Don't like it but your draft - your rules.

 

[NM]

I might just delegate this one to Theon and sit back and watch the battles between him and Antohan..

Mourinho vs Vilanova part 2?

 

[antohan]

I might just delegate this one to Theon and sit back and watch the battles between him and Antohan..

Mourinho vs Vilanova part 2?

That would be a shame, you seem a cracking manager in the making IMO. Your team, your call though.

 

[Thisistheone]

You two were actually lucky to draw each other. Probably the sides that look the most "work in progress" as far as I'm concerned.

And Brwned will be looking forward to getting Marco now (if only Cutch would be so kind...). Decisions, decisions...

Is that a polite way of saying me and KM are the weakest teams left in the draft?

Cheeky twat.

We're just pacing ourselves like all good teams in tournaments.

 

[antohan]

Antohan - why would you have the draw before the draft? Now we will have tailorred sides, while earlier each side would just be trying to be the best they could.

Not necessarily. I'll tell you one thing: if people tailor their sides solely to win the next game they probably won't make it to the end.

By all means, people should still be trying to be as good as they can be, and foresight on what you might be able to get in the next round is relevat information. e.g. look at Brwned, would it make sense for him to go for Cruyff if he really really wants van Basten? Being able to make that call should help him make his side better overall.

In fact, some may run risks and not improve certain positions with reinforcements in mind rather than tailoring to win the next game. Ultimately, each manager will decide what his strategy is.

 

[Theon]

That would be a shame, you seem a cracking manager in the making IMO. Your team, your call though.

He is only joking, but like most of us he isn't looking forward to the extensive arguments you put forward! You need a whole day off just to keep up, it's not a chilled out match up at all IMO.

 

[Thisistheone]

Is it now this draw all the way? So winner of NM/antohan plays Cutch/Brwned?

Or will it be randomized again?

 

[antohan]

Is that a polite way of saying me and KM are the weakest teams left in the draft?

Cheeky twat.

We're just pacing ourselves like all good teams in tournaments.

Not weakest, but with a less clearly defined shape and tactics. If I were you I would focus on nailing that, and what I'm saying is it is good for both of you that your next rival will be focusing on that, rather than already have a very defined team (e.g. Cutch, Brwned) which just gets stronger in key areas of weakness.

Invariably, you would end up trying to counter the next rival (a losing battle) or exploiting his existing weakness only to find they reinforce there after you've made a pick... Playing a side in flux will allow you to focus on nailing down what your side will be all about going forward which is what I think will help you most long term.