This first game is going to be a humdinger! Roll on Wednesday.
All-Time Fantasy Draft
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I can see how I've written it that way, but they were two seperate points. Probably should have gone to a new paragraph. The first was that he has a good workrate and you shouldn't just make up that he doesn't.
The second was responding to you saying you knew nothing about him, so I was giving some context around him with the Ballon D'or etc.
He can play as a striker which we have highlighted in swapping positions with Rummenigge, offering a unique and flexible attack. He's best on the wing though as he's ridiculously fast and a great dribbler.
Never have Tardelli and Neeskens as ball winner type of midfielder. But agreed that Vieira is the lesser of those two, in overall.
I'll take your words for it. I wasn't actually saying that he doesn't have good workrate, but more of the point if he'll be willing to track back. But you have a point that he may not need to, with my team don't have real width. Although I must say that Hagi is also capable going wide.
Niether did I! I said that they are better ball winners, not that their entire game is based on winning the ball. I really rate Viera and don't have him far behind at all. As a central midfield battle it will be very close, but in winning back possession I think you are outclassed. Hagi offers something offensively but he isn't a worker, and I don't see who will tackle our wingers or fullbacks.
Face it guys. The only way to settle this is with a yo momma fight
Love your new avatar.
feck sake....
It will play a role and I'll be the first one banging on about midfield control if I've got an extra man in there.
I haven't seen the fixtures, but I take it your mate is playing Isotype? Cos you've just spilled out an unnecessary amount of bollocks, bashing his team; which is usually the tell-tale sign!
fecks sake. Looks like my match has started early reading this thread. PM coming for you after I get done with work Theon.
STOP GETTING AHEAD OF YOURSELVES!!!!
What's the point of the gamethread if you've already discussed and elaborated/refined your points? The only fun in the polls is the curveballs and sucker punches, don't use up your arsenal chaps otherwise it's going to be like a damp squib.
Shut up and let the tension build up, don't cum too soon or it will just be plain boring.
Now, regarding left out players, other than Dalglish...
PS: Cling, some people systematically vote against sides containing Liverpool players. With the wealth of options available, it's not a headache worth having (and he didn't fit in my side anyway).
What's the point of the gamethread if you've already discussed and elaborated/refined your points? The only fun in the polls is the curveballs and sucker punches, don't use up your arsenal chaps otherwise it's going to be like a damp squib.
Shut up and let the tension build up, don't cum too soon or it will just be plain boring.
Now, regarding left out players, other than Dalglish...
PS: Cling, some people systematically vote against sides containing Liverpool players. With the wealth of options available, it's not a headache worth having (and he didn't fit in my side anyway).
This. Let's save it for the game thread people...
Theon is the Assistant Manager, I don't think it is fair for it to reflect on NM's side if he is going overboard though.
Yep, you tell him! Hairdryer is in order.
Theon, you are fired!
No Mike Phelan Shield for you.
Do they? Is that something you know, or something you assume? I'd imagine the latter, which is fair enough as you perhaps don't want to take the risk. But for me, if they're good, they're good.
Theon is the Assistant Manager, I don't think it is fair for it to reflect on NM's side if he is going overboard though.
Yep, you tell him! Hairdryer is in order.
Theon, you are fired!
No. Best AM in the game and clearly bettter than the cnut Phelan.
The PM is about something completely different - but lets not discuss the game here.
I need to finish my team profiles!!
I thought Zidane was the best AM in the game?
Gio posted our two games from the 50s draft earlier. In both I won by the one vote. In the first one, some chap explains his vote as "can't vote for a side with Hansen and Souness in them". He voted in both, giving me the win in both cases. It was bittersweet for me, and downright scandalous on Gio.
Hopefully there will be loads of votes here and that sort of thing will get lost as random noise, but in games which finish 6-5 or 9-8 it's a massive consideration.
Fair play then! I think and hope that's an isolated case. There's always discussion about "the United vote" in these types of competition, but I'd hoped people wouldn't show such bias or anti.
Your call. Just be careful, at this rate he will end up running onto the pitch and spear-tackling Zico. You will then be slapped with a nominal fine for failing to control your staff.
Well I do want Theon and Iso to stop discussing the game - dunno who started it. Let's just stop. I am at work so will log off now.
You have to be joking man. If you disagree then explain why instead of just being dismissive! I made 4 points there and I think only one is debateable, but seeing as you think its all bollocks then you presumably disagree with all four. Seriously, explain why these four points are bollocks.
1) First point was that Krol/Zanetti is better than Irwin/Cabrini and more suited to an attacking game 2) Zico isn’t a striker 3) Matthaus will be breaking forward into a crowded area of the pitch, which will limit its effectiveness. I’m pretty sure that this would be true, but its a subtle point and people could have different views on it 4) Raul isn’t a typical number 9 but likes to drop off in front of the defence.
Edit - Orders from above to leave this type of discussion till the match, so won't make anymore posts on it, but more than happy to PM!
I will post my stuff tomorrow (tuesday)! Has had a busy few days.
Can I have my game setup on Wednesday? I'll be out doing field work the whole day, tomorrow (plus 8 hrs difference). If the game is a must on Tuesday, it's alright; but there will be no discussion from me. In terms of quality, not much different between my team and NM anyway. So, discussion will be just bashing on each other, and whose shit would stick more
.Agree with these points, it's a very uniformed opinion to simply call one formatio 'better' than the other without taking the other deciding factors into consideration.
There is no point discussing 'tactics' when the extent of the discussion is simply 4231 vs 352 IMO, one isn't better than the other by itself, it's the players that make it.
You are on Wednesday anyway
Do make sure Brwned receives your PM the day prior to when the game is on though.
I was surprised that Da Guia, Zmuda, Schwarzenback, Pirlo, Prosinecki, Brady, Greaves and Lato didn't make the cut.
Da Guia I could see why. You are unlikely to bench your Brazilian pizzazz for a centre-half. Him and the right backs were the main reason I rode the Brazilian pick for so long though. If left short, they were top quality options. Zmuda was my last resort pre-Da Guia. Outstanding defender, but rather slow.
Pirlo was criminal, particularly with so many picking Italian midfielders/AMs. I was never going to sub him on for my leftback, but as a more defensive setup relative to Baggio/Meazza, etc. Why not?
Schwarzennbeck looked a cert, particularly with so many faffing around wondering whether to go three or four at the back. But again, lots of great Krauts around.
Prosinecki probably more of a flash in the pan? I remember him being good but can't actually remember just how good he really was. That's the sort of player I wouldn't mind a fan of them providing a refresher.
Lato I was considering all the way to the end and maybe I should have gone for him TBH. I opted for Iniesta having a Xavi-like sub to tinker with the midfield if needed. Also didn't want to go for out and out wingers unless they really were the dog's bollocks. Hopefully will get to pick some along the way
You are on Wednesday anyway
Do make sure Brwned receives your PM the day prior to when the game is on though.
Ah, ok. Totally forgot about that. Thanks..!
Héctor Chumpitaz is by most accounts a Top10-15 all-time central defender, I'm sure antohan can tell you a lot more about him than me. He won the Copa América with Peru in 1975 (only their 2nd ever, and the only one after WWII) and helped them reach their highest World Cup finish ever (QF, 1970). He was twice elected as the best South American defender (1969 and 1971), and selected in an All-time Copa América XI in 2007.
One thing to keep in mind though, is that he was extremely short for a CB.
Jacinto Quincoces is for most people probably an obscure figure, but I can tell you from some publications I've read (esp. Spanish and French) that around and after the time of the 1934 World Cup he was viewed as the best defender in Europe. Hugo Meisl (coach of the Austrian Wunderteam) even went as far as claiming he was the best player of that WC. By most accounts one of the finest defenders of this era.
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On that note it's not always "safe" to trust these retro rankings of the WC Golden Ball that are on wikipedia. I see for 1934 that Meazza and Sindelar are considered #1 and #2, which is according to many contemporary sources inaccurate. They had huge reps going into the WC, but in the aftermath a lot of Austrian journals criticized their forwards for lacking composure and toughness. Italian press called Sindelar a choker in front of goal and said he was easily frustrated. A Swiss newspaper called them physically weak, and even cowards.
Meazza was by any yardstick better in '38; as he had more influence on the important games (assists in the three final games), but even then he wasn't a Top3 player. In '34 on the Italian squad alone Orsi, Guaita and Monti were rated higher.
They both made their names before '34, in domestic games and in the Mitropa Cup (esp. Sindelar), or friendlies on NT level, but their actual WC performances were underwhelming (reminds me of some current players
)...No doubt NM has a great team but so do you.
Your team is more than good enough to go toe to toe with his, he has as much to worry about as you do.
Not saying that 5-3-2 will not work, Cordoba is comfortable going out wide to cover Cabrini and Irwin. Although this might be a case where putting on Finney and going on the front foot can actually help your defense.
Finney played in all 5 forward positions - his all-round ability, awareness, teamwork and ambidexterity enabled him to move across the width of the pitch with ease. Alongside Zico, Hagi, Matthaus and Vieira, it is too much of a risk for NM to play with only Neeskens and Tardelli in the middle. He has to include Netzer which means dropping Rummenigge, leaving Pele to Santamaria (one of the best men you can have for this job). Finney's presence will restrict the forward forays of NM's fullbacks allowing Cabrini and Irwin to focus on his wingers. Hansen would be the spare man providing defensive cover and bringing the ball out from the back.
You can ask for other opinions before making your decision
Ultimately it is your call
Who do you drop to bring in Finney? One of the centre-backs?
Raul
Hagi - Zico - Finney
Vieira - Matthaus
Irwin - Hansen - Santamaria - Cabrini
Chilavert
Hagi - Zico - Finney
Vieira - Matthaus
Irwin - Hansen - Santamaria - Cabrini
Chilavert
With Cordoba missing out. I haven't even seen Santamaria personally and Cordoba is a great choice, but Isotype seemed to be writing him up and he did play in Madrid's 50's side so obviously quality. Veron the other sub.
The way I see it, taking Cordoba out of the team takes out the worst player in the side and the 4231 works perfectly. Although I suspect Cabrini would be a bit rubbish on the right.
That was a mistake, meant to have and him Irwin on the other sides!