All-Time Fantasy Draft

[Fortitude]

Err...

 

[JakeC]

Jose Augusto please.

 

[antohan]

5. Height

Which is why i would avoid him, or put him ahead of 2 CB's.

Fair. He had a good leap, but wouldn't bridge the gap like Passarella's. Didn't have it top of mind as at the time South American football wasn't really about crossing to a big classic No. 9... but with some of those on here it could be a problem.

 

[NM]

mightberight is up

 

[antohan]

Jose Augusto please.

The Brazilian singer? Don't you have a Brazilian already?

 

[mightberight]

I give to you ...

 

[JakeC]

The 8 time Portuguese League winner, and Multiple CL winner, Jose Augusto.

 

[Fergus' son]

Portugese winger? Deco is bound to be worried!

 

[antohan]

Portugese winger? Deco is bound to be worried!

Jake, you are all over the shop man.

 

[antohan]

I give to you ...

Great pick. Hugely underrated on here unfortunately, maybe you can make a better job of it than I did last time around.

 

[mightberight]

Great pick. Hugely underrated on here unfortunately, maybe you can make a better job of it than I did last time around.

Seems to be a lot of people posting here who know their stuff, so I live in hope

 

[antohan]

I need to have a four men defense though as cant play 5-3-2 or 3-5-2. I think it will be fine as in the box i have scheimichel to deal with the high balls while outside nasazzi will deal with it. Chumpitaz can sit back and just mop up after him.

Strange point aside, Chumpitaz was more in the Passarella mould in that he would go forward and help start attacks. It will mainly be Nasazzi sitting back.

 

[Theon]

Why are you not playing Beckenbauer as a libero Fergus? You have the wingbacks for it.

I'd be going 5-3-2 all day long.

 

[JakeC]

I'm a tard.

 

[JakeC]

Right, my brain fart is gone away.

I'm going to go with a very under rated player, Kanchelskis.

 

[Fergus' son]

Why are you not playing Beckenbauer as a libero Fergus? You have the wingbacks for it.

I'd be going 5-3-2 all day long.

This has been bugging since the start. It's an option but theres a few of the opinion that he is best in midfield, which I can't really argue with.

The 4312 I described is more or less a version of the 532 though, just that on the formation graphic Beck will be in midfield rather than sweeper.

 

[antohan]

Would this, the other option you described, really work and would it be getting the best out of Beckenbauer:?

Pirri Beck
Didi

AM
Eusebio Kocsis​

The issue is all three of them are superb passers/playmakers, it's a bit crap not to give them a wider array to aim for. Effectively, you are overly-reliant on your fullbacks doing a cracking job down the flanks.

Good luck with that against most of the wing pairs on here, they will go forward occasionally but if you are relying on them as the sole providers of width you will either be disappointed or will ship goals like there's no tomorrow.

You are not just wasting the talents of your midfield unit, what's the point of Kocsis without any crosses?

I do think you need other sources of width. Doesn't need to be line-hugging wing forwards, but as it is you are going to end up playing long ball hit and hope for the best stuff.

-------Beckenbauer---------Pirri
----------------------Didi
-----------------------------------------------
----WIDERIGHT-----------------WIDELEFT
-------------------Eusebio

 

[EDogen]

What is happening? Did jake just pick two players?

 

[Fergus' son]

Right, my brain fart is gone away.

I'm going to go with a very under rated player, Kanchelskis.

But you've already picked?

 

[antohan]

Right, my brain fart is gone away.

I'm going to go with a very under rated player, Kanchelskis.

You can't mate, sorry, already stopped others changing their picks before. Rules are rules.

 

[Theon]

This has been bugging since the start. It's an option but theres a few of the opinion that he is best in midfield, which I can't really argue with.

The 4312 I described is more or less a version of the 532 though, just that on the formation graphic Beck will be in midfield rather than sweeper.

Really? I love him as a libero, he's like a playmaker back there it's bizzare (but incredible).

It would allow you to really push the wingbacks on due to having an extra body at the back. It would also break up your best passers, Didi next to Beck isn't utilising them best for me, spread them out. This is just my opinion though, others will think differently.

I also think most casual voters will associate Beckenbauer with the libero position, it is what he is best known for.

 

[Fergus' son]

The issue is all three of them are superb passers/playmakers, it's a bit crap not to give them a wider array to aim for. Effectively, you are overly-reliant on your fullbacks doing a cracking job down the flanks.

Good luck with that against most of the wing pairs on here, they will go forward occasionally but if you are relying on them as the sole providers of width you will either be disappointed or will ship goals like there's no tomorrow.

You are not just wasting the talents of your midfield unit, what's the point of Kocsis without any crosses?

I do think you need other sources of width. Doesn't need to be line-hugging wing forwards, but as it is you are going to end up playing long ball hit and hope for the best stuff.

-------Beckenbauer---------Pirri
----------------------Didi
-----------------------------------------------
----WIDERIGHT-----------------WIDELEFT
-------------------Eusebio

Right, thanks, got it.

 

[JakeC]

You can't mate, sorry, already stopped others changing their picks before. Rules are rules.

Augusto is Portuguese though, so do I just lose a pick?

 

[Moby]

Guess you will have to keep one of them on the bench, so yeah you lose a sub.

 

[EDogen]

I give you a player who at his peak was outstanding, a real monster in the middle of the park. One of the finest box-to-box midfielders I have seen, Michael Essien.

Fergus'son: 1. Beckenbauer 2. Eusebio 3. Didi 4. Krol 5. Zanetti 6. Kocsis 7. Vidic 8. Shesternyov 9. Pirri
DanNistelrooy: Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Ronaldinho 3. Nesta, 4. Gascoigne 5. Makelele 6. McGrath 7. Vogts 8. Camacho 9. Seedorf
KM: 1. Messi 2. Scirea 3. Bozsik, 4. Sammer 5. Nedved 6. Valderrama 7. Banks 8. Schiaffino 9. Djalma Santos
Thisistheone: 1. Maradona 2. B.Charlton 3. Eto'o, 4. Cannavaro 5. Coluna 6. Bremner 7. Carlos Alberto 8. Blanc 9. Alonso
NM: 1. Pele 2. Neeskens 3. Passarella 4. Boniek 5. Thuram 6. Tardelli 7. Carvalho 8. Blokhin 9. Rummenigge
Cutch: 1. Best 2. Van Basten 3. Robson 4. R Baggio 5. Charles 6. Tigana 7. Hierro 8. Maier 9. Nilton Santos
Brwned: 1. Di Stéfano 2. Keane 3. Falcão 4. Giggs 5. Matthews 6. Brehme 7. Trésor 8. McGrain 9. Spencer
MJJ: 1. Duncan Edwards 2. Garrincha 3. Muller 4. Luis Suárez 5. Meazza 6. Schmeichel 7. Rui Costa 8. Nasazzi 9. Chumpitaz
JakeC: 1. Ronaldo 2. Maldini 3. Deschamps 4. Gento 5. Stam 6. Law 7. Deco 8. Janes 9. Augusto
mightberight: 1. Ferenc Puskas 2. Stoichkov 3. Breitner 4. Jairzinho 5. Bergomi 6. Varela 7. Koeman 8. Marzolini 9. Gerets
EDogen: 1. Cruyff 2. Moore 3. Redondo 4. Figo 5. Romario 6. Desailly 7. Dzajic 8. Schnellinger 9. Essien
Gio: 1. Platini 2. Xavi 3. Rivaldo 4. Kohler 5. Davids 6. Gentile 7. Moreno 8. Nordahl
Antohan: 1. Laudrup 2. Rijkaard 3. Iniesta 4. Facchetti 5. Henry 6. R. Ferdinand 7. Effenberg 8. Vasovic
Stobzilla: 1. Zidane 2. Yashin (Russia) 3. Scholes 4. Souness 5. Savicevic 6. Cafu 7. Kubala 8. Van Nistlerooy
Isotope: 1. Zico 2. L. Matthäus 3. Santamaríá 4. Hansen 5. Hagi 6. Finney 7. Viera 8. Irwin
paceme: 1. Figueroa 2. Baresi 3. Voronin 4. Masopust 5. Batistuta 6. Gullit 7. Socrates 8. Amoros

 

[antohan]

Augusto is Portuguese though, so do I just lose a pick?

Either him or Deco will have to be on the bench at any one point.

As everyone is sleeping, can I change my pick?

Do it, it's fair considering Brwned did it before.

No more though, whether the next guy has gone or not (for all we know he could be changing his picks as a result). It may prompt comments...

We need to draw the line somewhere, and the line should be once posted it's over.

He didn't change it. Eventually Brwned made it clear he hadn't changed his, just inadvertently left Rio listed while at the top it was clearly Matthews and a photo of Matthews.

Does anybody mind me changing that last pick? No worries if its too late or whatever, had a change of heart

Can't change mate, I already ruled on that earlier. It can get very messy otherwise.

Fergus'son's turn.

Great pick anyway and one Fergus'son would be happy to nab I think.

Didn't change it.

We've allowed you to change when you pick someone already picked, but not checking on your team's nationalities...

 

[Fergus' son]

Really? I love him as a libero, he's like a playmaker back there it's bizzare (but incredible).

It would allow you to really push the wingbacks on due to having an extra body at the back. It would also break up your best passers, Didi next to Beck isn't utilising them best for me, spread them out. This is just my opinion though, others will think differently.

I also think most casual voters will associate Beckenbauer with the libero position, it is what he is best known for.

Yeah, it's a conundrum. I think if I use my subs correctly then I can probably have the option of both, and then decide according to the opposition?

Having him as a sweeper will certainly help against the variety of unbelievable attackers out there.

 

[paceme]

Jake is as useful as an ejector seat in a helicopter.

 

[Theon]

Yeah, it's a conundrum. I think if I use my subscorrectly then I can probably have the option of both, and then decide according to the opposition?

Having him as a sweeper will certainly help against the variety of unbelievable attackers out there.

Yeah probably the best way if you can pull it off, nice flexibility.

He's the best libero of all time, so personally I'd play him there. Conversely, I don't think he's the best centre mid.

 

[Gio]

I'm in the gym lads. Need to rethink next pick. Will be back on in half an hour.

 

[MJJ]

Strange point aside, Chumpitaz was more in the Passarella mould in that he would go forward and help start attacks. It will mainly be Nasazzi sitting back.

Sorry for being stupid but whats the strange point? I was talking specifically in regards to dealing with high balls. Inside the box, I will have my GK claiming it and outside it nasazzi can go forward to stop them with hector staying behind incase he misses a header.

 

[Brwned]

I'm not sure about Brwned to be honest, I love Keane more than anyone but I think he's slightly overrated on the whole here. Not a second round pick for me and there are players that went after him that I personally would have gone for first. Tremendous vote winner though I suspect.

Keane was obviously picked 2nd because of his Irishness which puts him ahead of Redondo, Falcao & co. In terms of talent and influence I'd put the Brazilian ahead of him but with his nationality he was always going to go ahead of them. All there is to it. Keane left the Brazilian, Italian, French and German options open which wouldn't have been possible any other way without a drop in quality. For over half a decade he was arguably our most important player and in that time we won a treble, a double-double, 5 more league titles and a couple of cups.

Ok, give it a rest now.

I knew it! Brehmes crosses straight onto that head!

I suspect you may have preffered Kocsis () but still a great choice for your team.

Both exactly the picks I expected. I was confident Brwned would nick Spencer from my interchangeable options bag!

There was that batch of top class strikers from obscure nations that I've had my eye on from the start really, Nordahl and Kocsis were certainly in the mix but what I get here is yet another player with 7 league titles or more to go alongside Di Stéfano, Keane, Giggs and McGrain. And of course he was essential to that incredible amount of success just like the rest. Still plenty of fantastic options left but I wanted to have that South American/British core to my attack and there's few more able to take advantage of the endless supply of crossing he'll be getting. Couldn't risk antohan & co. stealing a couple of them in the next round, plus I've already got my keeper and centre-half pretty much sorted.

 

[Fergus' son]

Keane was obviously picked 2nd because of his Irishness which puts him ahead of Redondo, Falcao & co. In terms of talent and influence I'd put the Brazilian ahead of him but with his nationality he was always going to go ahead of them. All there is to it. Keane left the Brazilian, Italian, French and German options open which wouldn't have been possible any other way without a drop in quality. For over half a decade he was arguably our most important player and in that time we won a treble, a double-double along with 5 more league titles and a couple of cups.





There was that batch of top class strikers from obscure nations that I've had my eye on from the start really, Nordahl and Kocsis were certainly in the mix but what I get here is yet another player with 7 league titles or more to go alongside Di Stéfano, Keane, Giggs and McGrain. And of course he was essential to that incredible amount of success just like the rest. Still plenty of fantastic options left but I wanted to have that South American/British core to my attack and there's few more able to take advantage of the endless supply of crossing he'll be getting. Couldn't risk antohan & co. stealing a couple of them in the next round, plus I've already got my keeper and centre-half pretty much sorted.

I would go with Redondo, Neeskens, Falcao and Bozsik before I went with Keane but you had your reasons evidently.

 

[antohan]

Sorry for being stupid but whats the strange point? I was talking specifically in regards to dealing with high balls. Inside the box, I will have my GK claiming it and outside it nasazzi can go forward to stop them with hector staying behind incase he misses a header.

As good as Schmeichel is, you can't expect him to be rushing out to pick up every single high ball into the box. It's a friggin' big box!

 

[MJJ]

As good as Schmeichel is, you can't expect him to be rushing out to pick up every single high ball into the box. It's a friggin' big box!

Ohhh, got the confusion now. I basically meant the balls that go in the six yard box like from corners and most crosses. Ofcourse I dont expect him to deal with all of them but think his height wont be that big of an issue with nasazzi and schmeichel there.

 

[Fortitude]

Fair. He had a good leap, but wouldn't bridge the gap like Passarella's. Didn't have it top of mind as at the time South American football wasn't really about crossing to a big classic No. 9... but with some of those on here it could be a problem.

I'm not even sure I'd fancy Passarella, but at least he can be given the benefit of the doubt unless up against a beast.

Think Chumpitaz in and of himself isn't the problem because he will do a magnificent job - better than taller defenders - at containing and going toe-to-toe with some of the smaller forwards with low centres of gravity, but using him as a standard CB in a draft like this is a car crash waiting to happen, imo.

Jake, you are all over the shop man.

he's brilliant.

Really? I love him as a libero, he's like a playmaker back there it's bizzare (but incredible).

It would allow you to really push the wingbacks on due to having an extra body at the back. It would also break up your best passers, Didi next to Beck isn't utilising them best for me, spread them out. This is just my opinion though, others will think differently.

I also think most casual voters will associate Beckenbauer with the libero position, it is what he is best known for.

Didi is far up the pitch away from Beckenbauer in his schematics.

Yeah probably the best way if you can pull it off, nice flexibility.

He's the best libero of all time, so personally I'd play him there. Conversely, I don't think he's the best centre mid.

The first part of that sentence is entirely up for debate. From a passing point of view, there's no doubt the statement rings true, but defensively, from all aspects, there are better sweepers than him. Beckenbauer is lauded for the fact he was technically perfect and such a masterful orchestrator wherever he played through the spine of his side.

The bolded bit doesn't really make sense; there is no 'best' centre mid in the draft and what Beckenbauer showed in the position is a match for anyone in the draft. Sure, longevity there can be questioned, but not his quality whilst he was played there.

As good as Schmeichel is, you can't expect him to be rushing out to pick up every single high ball into the box. It's a friggin' big box!

 

[Theon]

He's not far away from him at all . He's got one as an AM the other as a CM?!

Why doesn't it make sense? I don't think he's regarded as being the best central midfielder, but he is regarded as being the best defender/libero. Simple.

Edit - he isn't even as an AM in some of his formations, they are both central midfielders! Far away ffs

 

[Fortitude]

He's not far away from him at all . He's got one as an AM the other as a CM?!

Why doesn't it make sense? I don't think he's regarded as being the best central midfielder, but he is regarded as being the best defender/libero. Simple.

Edit - he isn't even as an AM in some of his formations, they are both central midfielders! Far away ffs

Anyone that's seen Beckenbauer in midfield is not going to have that opinion, really. He was immaculate there.

The one I saw had Didi way up the pitch behind to strikers with Beckenbauer in midfield.

 

[Theon]

Yeah I am not doubting that. My point is 1) he is widely known as a sweeper and regarded by the casual fan to be the best defender in history, so it will be the best way to get votes - it is what he is primarily known for. 2) tactically I think it suits him better.

Edit - out posting on my phone so sorry for not going into more detail, if you want will expand later

 

[antohan]

Aldo, go with the one I PMd you once Gio is back.

The one I sent the post with photo and all that, we can live with missing out on the other one at 11th.