All-Time Fantasy Draft
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Knock yourself out mate, but you may be surprised. Hubris is no good.
Fergus'son: 1. Beckenbauer 2. Eusebio 3. Didi 4. Krol 5. Zanetti 6. Kocsis 7. Vidic 8. Shesternyov 9. Pirri
DanNistelrooy: Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Ronaldinho 3. Nesta, 4. Gascoigne 5. Makelele 6. McGrath 7. Vogts 8. Camacho 9. Seedorf
KM: 1. Messi 2. Scirea 3. Bozsik, 4. Sammer 5. Nedved 6. Valderrama 7. Banks 8. Schiaffino 9. Djalma Santos
Thisistheone: 1. Maradona 2. B.Charlton 3. Eto'o, 4. Cannavaro 5. Coluna 6. Bremner 7. Carlos Alberto 8. Blanc 9. Alonso
NM: 1. Pele 2. Neeskens 3. Passarella 4. Boniek 5. Thuram 6. Tardelli 7. Carvalho 8. Blokhin 9. Rummenigge
Cutch: 1. Best 2. Van Basten 3. Robson 4. R Baggio 5. Charles 6. Tigana 7. Hierro 8. Maier 9. Nilton Santos
Brwned: 1. Di Stéfano 2. Keane 3. Falcão 4. Giggs 5. Matthews 6. Brehme 7. Trésor 8. McGrain 9. Spencer
MJJ: 1. Duncan Edwards 2. Garrincha 3. Muller 4. Luis Suárez 5. Meazza 6. Schmeichel 7. Rui Costa 8. Nasazzi 9. Chumpitaz
JakeC: 1. Ronaldo 2. Maldini 3. Deschamps 4. Gento 5. Stam 6. Law 7. Deco 8. Janes
mightberight: 1. Ferenc Puskas 2. Stoichkov 3. Breitner 4. Jairzinho 5. Bergomi 6. Varela 7. Koeman 8. Marzolini
EDogen: 1. Cruyff 2. Moore 3. Redondo 4. Figo 5. Romario 6. Desailly 7. Dzajic 8. Schnellinger
Gio: 1. Platini 2. Xavi 3. Rivaldo 4. Kohler 5. Davids 6. Gentile 7. Moreno 8. Nordahl
Antohan: 1. Laudrup 2. Rijkaard 3. Iniesta 4. Facchetti 5. Henry 6. R. Ferdinand 7. Effenberg 8. Vasovic
Stobzilla: 1. Zidane 2. Yashin (Russia) 3. Scholes 4. Souness 5. Savicevic 6. Cafu 7. Kubala 8. Van Nistlerooy
Isotope: 1. Zico 2. L. Matthäus 3. Santamaríá 4. Hansen 5. Hagi 6. Finney 7. Viera 8. Irwin
paceme: 1. Figueroa 2. Baresi 3. Voronin 4. Masopust 5. Batistuta 6. Gullit 7. Socrates 8. Amoros
DanNistelrooy: Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Ronaldinho 3. Nesta, 4. Gascoigne 5. Makelele 6. McGrath 7. Vogts 8. Camacho 9. Seedorf
KM: 1. Messi 2. Scirea 3. Bozsik, 4. Sammer 5. Nedved 6. Valderrama 7. Banks 8. Schiaffino 9. Djalma Santos
Thisistheone: 1. Maradona 2. B.Charlton 3. Eto'o, 4. Cannavaro 5. Coluna 6. Bremner 7. Carlos Alberto 8. Blanc 9. Alonso
NM: 1. Pele 2. Neeskens 3. Passarella 4. Boniek 5. Thuram 6. Tardelli 7. Carvalho 8. Blokhin 9. Rummenigge
Cutch: 1. Best 2. Van Basten 3. Robson 4. R Baggio 5. Charles 6. Tigana 7. Hierro 8. Maier 9. Nilton Santos
Brwned: 1. Di Stéfano 2. Keane 3. Falcão 4. Giggs 5. Matthews 6. Brehme 7. Trésor 8. McGrain 9. Spencer
MJJ: 1. Duncan Edwards 2. Garrincha 3. Muller 4. Luis Suárez 5. Meazza 6. Schmeichel 7. Rui Costa 8. Nasazzi 9. Chumpitaz
JakeC: 1. Ronaldo 2. Maldini 3. Deschamps 4. Gento 5. Stam 6. Law 7. Deco 8. Janes
mightberight: 1. Ferenc Puskas 2. Stoichkov 3. Breitner 4. Jairzinho 5. Bergomi 6. Varela 7. Koeman 8. Marzolini
EDogen: 1. Cruyff 2. Moore 3. Redondo 4. Figo 5. Romario 6. Desailly 7. Dzajic 8. Schnellinger
Gio: 1. Platini 2. Xavi 3. Rivaldo 4. Kohler 5. Davids 6. Gentile 7. Moreno 8. Nordahl
Antohan: 1. Laudrup 2. Rijkaard 3. Iniesta 4. Facchetti 5. Henry 6. R. Ferdinand 7. Effenberg 8. Vasovic
Stobzilla: 1. Zidane 2. Yashin (Russia) 3. Scholes 4. Souness 5. Savicevic 6. Cafu 7. Kubala 8. Van Nistlerooy
Isotope: 1. Zico 2. L. Matthäus 3. Santamaríá 4. Hansen 5. Hagi 6. Finney 7. Viera 8. Irwin
paceme: 1. Figueroa 2. Baresi 3. Voronin 4. Masopust 5. Batistuta 6. Gullit 7. Socrates 8. Amoros
Hubris for feck sake. I was responding to you saying you were 'getting me back to earth', as if you were in a position to do that.
I've been taking the piss in my OTT comments, it was just light hearted banter. Most of the teams on here have said how their side is looking good and me and NM have said feck all until now.
I think your team is one of the contenders for making the best first three picks, gave you a really solid start. KMs were great too.
Indeed, Brwned's were excellent as well. Whatever he thinks about being able to pick alternatives to Di Stefano later, that's an awesome core.
Yup, had my eye on those two defenders for a long time. Figured no one would take them so could afford to leave it till late. Only problem is that not a lot of people might have heard of it.
Both of my CBs are very complimentary as well, both speak spanish so will avoid the communication problem that some might face. Hector was a great reader of the game with excellent ball skills which along with schmeichel should help me build from the back and launch quick counter attacks.
Only wish I could have got eusebio instead of muller to make it perfect but oh well.
Code:
Meazza-Muller-Garrincha
Costa-Saurez
Edwards
LWB-Hector-Nasazzi-RB
SchmeichelShould be good enough to out score most team while my defense will shut out a few. Have also got a leader in every area which should have a good psychological effect.
I'm not sure about Brwned to be honest, I love Keane more than anyone but I think he's slightly overrated on the whole here. Not a second round pick for me and there are players that went after him that I personally would have gone for first. Tremendous vote winner though I suspect.
The team I don't get is Dans. Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and Gascoigne all NEED the ball and to be the main man on their team. DOn't see how they can coexist tbh.
You can say all you like that your team is looking good, but you were using a fair bit of hyperbole. Fine if they were OTT pisstakes, but you have shown blind faith in things no one agreed at all with in the past (e.g. why did you pick Carvalho ahead of Kompany
) and I don't think it helps you in matchthreads.Anyhow, as I said, knock yourself out.
That's shaping up. LWB is going to be huge for you so pick carefully. I would also probably just drop Costa and Suarez deeper alongside Edwards to make the formation graphic look more solid but that's just a small suggestion really. Surprised you went with Costa though rather than another defensive mid. Parts of your team are open to exploitation.
I think there's a few that had thier eye on your CBs and some that are disappointed to miss out. I was thinking of grabbing hector myself but opted for Shesternyov as he appears to have greater speed and acceleration.
In fairness, whoever got Cristiano was going to receive that sort of criticism. It's not like you would then field ten players who don't want the ball as well, not with the quality knocing around in this draft!
You can say all you like that your team is looking good, but you were using a fair bit of hyperbole. Fine if they were OTT pisstakes, but you have shown blind faith in things no one agreed at all with in the past (e.g. why did you pick Carvalho ahead of Kompany
Anyhow, as I said, knock yourself out.
If you are referring to Carvalho ahead of Kompany in this thread - I think Kompany is horribly overrated and has been exposed this season - especially in Europe.
Just thought I'd but in if it was in this thread. Otherwise, carry on!
True - but that's just 3 attacking players notable for doing that. I can see them taking it off each other tbh!
I need to get off this thread and back to work!!!! This has taken way too much of my time!!
I need to get home from work and into this thread!
Muller is brilliant anyway, but I see your point, particularly as it would also free you up a couple of superb options at fullback. You do have a spare nation with a couple of cracking choices though.
No, I'm referring to Theon bumming him up like he was Baresi (which he admitted earlier on here). The funny thing was the more he banged on about it the worse Kompany was playing in real life, I think the whole Real ducking thing actually happened bang on during that game
I actually had a similar problem with Forlán being shite in Italy during the 70s one!
Yup, and the best part is that almost everyone in the draft either has a french player or a fullback so I should be able to get my first choice. Just not sure if he is the best option.
Thats the only problem with muller as most of the best fullbacks are either italian,german or brazilian.
Precisely, that's why we went in for Facchetti fairly early, there was a clear drop in quality Italian defenders after him and I didn't want to have to lock up another top nation at LB.
Load of rubbish. Having the wide choice of ANY player means you are going to have some of the world's best in near enough every position, I don't think my team can be criticised for that. Looking down at some of the teams - Ronaldo and Law, Van Basten Best and Baggio in the same team, these were all the "main men" for their teams, not sure what your point is. Real Madrid's "Galacticos" did alright didn't they...
Having Makelele in there will allow those 3 to be interchanging and having license to roam. Ronaldinho is the best creative player I have seen in my lifetime, combine that with the genius of Gazza and the sheer clinical-ness of Ronaldo, he will be fed with chance after chance. Can't see how it wouldn't work. Ronaldo works well currently with Ozil does he not? What about Rooney, Tevez etc.
Yeah, that was a smart move.
According to Aldo he has trouble integrating Ruud Krol into modern formations (bizzare IMO), do you envisage having the same difficulty with Fachetti?
Personally, I think both will be fine, more than fine in fact.
I still have few big countries left. The last two picks are gonna be crucial for me.
I also have argentina left, completely forgot about that.
How do you rate Chumpitaz? I was considering him.
Still have Spain, England and Germany left myself.
Germany at this late stage is huge, so many great picks still available.
Tensions rising.
Where is jake? I want to get my second pick today.
No idea what he was going on about there. I reckon the modern game officially starts right there with those Ajax and Bayern sides as frontrunners and then it spread gradually, quicker in some countries than in others. Defending hasn't really changed dramatically since, there have been different approaches, but I see no reason why Krol wouldn't slot into a modern side. Facchetti would as well, he was just an early preview/frontrunner, much like Di Stefano was in his side of the pitch.
Midfields did take longer to transition, there was a lot of chopping and changing along the way, in the 80s there were still acres of space to feck about in (but not as much as pre-1974 WCs). I think the pressing in midfield is what has changed the most as a result of more money in sport and the investments and innovations in fitness regimes.
That's precisely why I have gone for a modern midfield unit from the off. There are tons of midfielders out there I love from a romantic perspective but I wouldn't get anywhere near them for the 4-2-3-1s that most here seem to be going for. Case in point was your man Didi, I actually prioritised Rijkaard because it was the only hope someone like Didi had to work in a two, if at all. I would have loved to pick him, but only in a 4-3-2-1.
Interesting, thanks.
Yeah, Didi has given me a little bit of a problem trying to figure him out and work him. I think I probably will end up with a 4312, with Didi being the one. I'll have Pirri and another alongside Beckenabuer, who can each do the dirty work for my two star midfielders and cover for my full backs who will be needed to provide some width.
Personally, I think having someone like Krol and Fachetti gives you so much tactical flexibility, rather than limit you. Wether you need a strong attacking presence, help in central midfield, help in central defence or just a typical left back, they can provide it with ease.
Immense, just a notch under Figueroa but not exactly an entire tier behind him. I didn't pick him for two reasons:
1. No one knows him,
2. Everyone knows they would have remembered such a ridiculous name, so they must have never ever heard of him,
3. The 6-0 mauling by the Argies was always going to be a more effective argument than any sound assessment of him, which would obviously be deemed to be biased. Whether the game was rigged or not, you watch the highlights and the defending is absolutely comical. Argentina needed four, there was no need to be humilliated in that fashion to deliver it.
4. Suspect character. The one point I would have no effective answer for in that case is: Should the lynchpin of a countries' defence allow that to happen on his watch? I wouldn't like to have to argue an impossible case. There were very special circumstances so I empathise, but a gamethread is not the place for history lessons.
Overall, not considering him was a tactical decision and had little to do with his actual ability. Shame on me, but I'd rather focus on 1-2 battles, and ideally not one in central defence against, say, Messi.
Sorry I fell asleep.
Will pick now.
Will pick now.
Hmmm, would have sworn you were going for Beckenbauer and Pirri either side of Didi, then either a new AM (stacks of them left) with two upfront or two wingers (less left) with Eusebio upfront. Best scenario looks to me Beckenbauer and Pirri doing the "dirty work" with Didi slightly ahead of them through the middle and two wingers (or insides who can provide width).
No, I'm referring to Theon bumming him up like he was Baresi (which he admitted earlier on here). The funny thing was the more he banged on about it the worse Kompany was playing in real life, I think the whole Real ducking thing actually happened bang on during that game
I actually had a similar problem with Forlán being shite in Italy during the 70s one!
Yup, he started going down hill during that draft, was proper wierd how it coincided. To be fair I did genuinely rate him, so wasn't bullshitting when I was bigging him up. The better one was probably Neville, made out that he could attack like Cafu or something when he really couldnt.
Height should be fine as I have got nasazzi next to him to deal with the high balls.
It's a bit more complex than that. Nasazzi cannot be in two places at once and if there's always the issue of having one eye on that issue, there's potential for amok amongst decoy runners and opportunists.
Chumpitaz is brilliant... at certain things, but his stature simply cannot be ignored when you look at some of the attackers he's facing in a draft like this.
I'd suggest 2 defenders ahead or behind him, if you want to optimize.
You really are good at this aren't you?!
What you describe is indeed what I will be using my sub picks for, to offer me the option of going with the 4312, which bring out the best in all of Beckenbauer, Didi and my two fantastic strikers or a 433 of sorts with wingers like you thought. Only problem with the 433 is that I'd probably have to drop one of my strikers (unless I wanted an earful for playing one of them slightly to one side)...
Would this, the other option you described, really work and would it be getting the best out of Beckenbauer:?
Pirri Beck
Didi
AM
Eusebio Kocsis
Didi
AM
Eusebio Kocsis
I need to have a four men defense though as cant play 5-3-2 or 3-5-2. I think it will be fine as in the box i have scheimichel to deal with the high balls while outside nasazzi will deal with it. Chumpitaz can sit back and just mop up after him.