Also, I'm pretty sure that I have the only player in the draft that has a song about their "sexy knees". That alone should be enough FFS.
All-Time Fantasy Draft - NM v Isotope
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Also -I have Pele. How do you guys think he will be kept quiet with service from Blokhin and Boniek, and link up play with Ruminiegge. Pele was the best player ever. I honestly think my attack will rip Iso's defense to shreds - both in possession and on the counter.
Here's just a sample as my youtube skills are horrible.
Here's just a sample as my youtube skills are horrible.
Likewise you have seen any Blokhin game 
And Raul would be easily man marked He's capable of leading the line or dropping deeper. An excellent team player that would bring the best of Zico, and other goalscoring midfielders.
And Raul would be easily man marked
He's capable of leading the line or dropping deeper. An excellent team player that would bring the best of Zico, and other goalscoring midfielders.
Oh feck off - you too Theon. I know some of the players - but not all. For example - I don't know too much about the 50s etc players. I know a fair amount of every one of the players I have picked.
Also - for those of you complaining about Theon posting in the thread - Aldo actually voted for Antohan - nobody seemed to complain then ehh?
NM, how about shuffling things around a bit before it's too late? I see many voters have commented on the midfield, since your arguments are not making much of an impact, how about adding a third man in there to even things up a bit? I am not sure how much of a difference McNeil coming on for Carvalho might make, but I guess since most of the remarks have been about the midfield and you have a CM on the bench, maybe it might be a good idea to put him there, so that in the eyes of the voters the midfields look a bit even?
Likewise you have seen any Blokhin game
And Raul would be easily man marked
Yes - Passarrella and Carvalho would handle him easily. And yes I have.
The same way, I wonder how much you have seen on some of the players from the 50s etc. But your still voting. So shove it. Cordoba was never a great player IMO. In Blokhin your talking about a wonderful winger - add that to the link up play with my forwards and your defense is pretty fecked.
Good job with the sarcasm - because you know I'm right.
I wasn't really aware and I think it was anyway going to be counted out had the difference been just 1 vote, and rightly so. Apologies for that, won't make that mistake from now on.
I really think the caf is obsressed with midfield. That's the only thing that explains the difference in voting. I expected it to be close, but this is taking the piss. I could throw another midfielder on - but I'm going to stick to my guns.
Just watched some Bokhin videos. Awesome left forward. Agreed that you have better attacks. Our defence.. let's call it more or less equal. You can twist however you like, but I still have better midfield.
So there you go.I can see your team rely on counter attack, and my team on ball possession. I truly don't know which team would win the match. And it's a bit tiresome, in some way. I would take a draw now if it's offered, and let someone decide (as the other two games).
Anyway - here are quotes about my players - from other posters in previous drafts. Maybe it will give an understanding to how good they are:
According to Antohan:
According to Antohan:
DANIEL ALBERTO PASSARELLA
A formidable defender, the type not even the bravest forwards liked to come up against. But it was not just strikers who feared him: with his deadly left foot, a leap any basketball player would be proud of and a fierce header, he was the most prolific centre-back the game had ever seen.
His ability to play libero and help build up play from deep, as well as join as an extra attacker earned him the nickname "El Kaiser". As Maradona puts it: “He’s the best defender I’ve ever seen, and the best header of a ball too – in attack as well as defence”.
ZBIGNIEW BONIEK[/B]
Platini's partner in crime. What a wonderful player. He could head, pass or shoot with both feet, had great technique and determination, and a big game player to boot. He was a tireless runner who could play anywhere across the frontline. His marvelous engine and workrate allowed him to extend his career playing in midfield, as a sweeper and even as a defender.
But his most remarkable asset was his incisive mazy running. Devastating stuff. Imagine Giggs keeping his early pace and dribbling skills until well after he had added the experience
For once I find a youtube clip on one of my outfield players that isn’t just about goals. Enjoy.
Polaroid on Ruminiegge:
Karl Heinz Rummenigge
One of the best forwards in footballing history and a leading contender for the title of the 2nd greatest German footballer ever. A phenomenal footballing Rolls Royce with a frightening blend of pace, power, control and skill, Rummenigge was the quintessential complete forward. His awareness, intelligence and technique augmented the quality of his movement, passing and finishing, enabling him to play anywhere across the frontline with consummate ease, starting and finishing off moves with equal ******.
More info on Blokhin from Duffy
QUOTE=Duffy;11958868]
Oleg Blokhin Left Sided Attacking Midfield
[/QUOTE].
Club Honours
Soviet Division 1: 1971, 1974, 1975, 1977, 1980, 1981, 1985, 1986
Soviet Cup: 1974, 1978, 1982, 1985, 1987
USSR Super Cup: 1980, 1985, 1986
UEFA Cup Winners Cup: 1975, 1986
UEFA Super Cup: 1975
Individual Honours
European Footballer of the Year: 1975
Golden Foot award: 2009
Soviet Footballer of the Year: 1973, 1974, 1975
Ukrainian Footballer of the Year: 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1980, 1981
Soviet Top League top scorer: 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1977
Soviet Top League All-Time Goals and Appearances Leader
UEFA Cup Winners' Cup 1985–86 top scorer
USSR national football team All-Time Goals and Caps Leader
Oleg Blokhin is a Ukranian institution. Back when the old USSR was around, Blokhin lead his club side, Dynamo Kiev to glory.
All the while he was becoming a legend for his country, bagging 42 goals in 112 International appearnces for his county (Both appearnce and goals tally still stand as the most for a Soviet Player). Put this alongside his 211 goals in 432 appearances for Kiev and you have one of the most prolific goal scorers of his time. Blokhin's strength, skill and eye for goal made him a handful for any defender.
Arguably Blokhin would have been a world star, if not for the political shackles that bout him. 8 League Titles, 2 Cup Winners Vups (with goals in both finals) and many other trophies he lead Kiev to.
Karl Heinz Rummenigge
One of the best forwards in footballing history and a leading contender for the title of the 2nd greatest German footballer ever. A phenomenal footballing Rolls Royce with a frightening blend of pace, power, control and skill, Rummenigge was the quintessential complete forward. His awareness, intelligence and technique augmented the quality of his movement, passing and finishing, enabling him to play anywhere across the frontline with consummate ease, starting and finishing off moves with equal ******.
More info on Blokhin from Duffy
QUOTE=Duffy;11958868]
Oleg Blokhin Left Sided Attacking Midfield
[/QUOTE].
Club Honours
Soviet Division 1: 1971, 1974, 1975, 1977, 1980, 1981, 1985, 1986
Soviet Cup: 1974, 1978, 1982, 1985, 1987
USSR Super Cup: 1980, 1985, 1986
UEFA Cup Winners Cup: 1975, 1986
UEFA Super Cup: 1975
Individual Honours
European Footballer of the Year: 1975
Golden Foot award: 2009
Soviet Footballer of the Year: 1973, 1974, 1975
Ukrainian Footballer of the Year: 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1980, 1981
Soviet Top League top scorer: 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1977
Soviet Top League All-Time Goals and Appearances Leader
UEFA Cup Winners' Cup 1985–86 top scorer
USSR national football team All-Time Goals and Caps Leader
Oleg Blokhin is a Ukranian institution. Back when the old USSR was around, Blokhin lead his club side, Dynamo Kiev to glory.
All the while he was becoming a legend for his country, bagging 42 goals in 112 International appearnces for his county (Both appearnce and goals tally still stand as the most for a Soviet Player). Put this alongside his 211 goals in 432 appearances for Kiev and you have one of the most prolific goal scorers of his time. Blokhin's strength, skill and eye for goal made him a handful for any defender.
Arguably Blokhin would have been a world star, if not for the political shackles that bout him. 8 League Titles, 2 Cup Winners Vups (with goals in both finals) and many other trophies he lead Kiev to.
NMs seriously bad ass front line got my vote, that would be sensational. NM you should add bonieks hatrick in the 82 world cup
NMs seriously bad ass front line got my vote, that would be sensational. NM you should add bonieks hatrick in the 82 world cup
will look for it mate. Cheers!!
I don't think there is an agree to draw function here mate. This ain't chess! (my other passion). You are still up - I honestly though this would be decided by a vote or 2, so lets see what happens. i disagree that I will rely only on the counter. Pele dropping in from time to time, alongside the quality of my players means that you won't walk all over the midfield, despite what you say.
This has been a good game though
And at the risk of sounding frivolous the owner of the best/most passionate goal celebration ever. A proper player though no doubt.
Tardelli's cry! I had the same moment when Darren Gibson was sold.No doubt.
That man cared - the passion, skill, and determination of Neeskens and especially Tardelli is being vastly underrated.
See below: world cup winning goal. Pure passion.
I'm really not sure what Veron is doing there, I always consider his peak to be when he was playing as chief attacking creator, and there isn't really a need for that right now. Finney on the right would provide a much needed alternative threat IMO, and I certainly don't doubt Hagis capability to play on the left. The whole thing would seem much more balanced and it would present a different sort of threat for Thuram who is also tasked with covering for Passarella. As it stands, I can see Blokhin having a pretty good chance of being really involved up against Cordoba, who only has Veron to help at the moment (Hansen has Pele and Rumenigge to worry about).
All in all, the way the teams have opted to set up, I think isotope would win the midfield but at the expense of other elements in his team. Blokhin, Pele and Rumennige are combining well whilst Boniek and Neeskens are perhaps under utilised but coping with thier tasks. It's a bit of a toss up who would score first, NM has Pele who is the best player in the game but also has the worst Defender backed by the lighter midfield with Matthaus as an opponent.
Its about half time in the game and changes if they are to be effective would need to be made in the near future, they could have a impact. If I was to back a winner from this position it would be NM but as it isn't clear cut enough il wait until later in the game before voting.
All in all, the way the teams have opted to set up, I think isotope would win the midfield but at the expense of other elements in his team. Blokhin, Pele and Rumennige are combining well whilst Boniek and Neeskens are perhaps under utilised but coping with thier tasks. It's a bit of a toss up who would score first, NM has Pele who is the best player in the game but also has the worst Defender backed by the lighter midfield with Matthaus as an opponent.
Its about half time in the game and changes if they are to be effective would need to be made in the near future, they could have a impact. If I was to back a winner from this position it would be NM but as it isn't clear cut enough il wait until later in the game before voting.
Have to say that while Iso has a strong midfield, NM's width might be getting overlooked a bit here. Two genuine world class wide threat who can come inside easily and have good goal scoring ability, specially Blokhin can cause some trouble. That side looks a bit in NMs favour with Blokhin against Cordoba and Veron. Although Cordoba possessed great pace, he would struggle.
It's a shame that width is not often appreciated much in a United forum as much as it should be. Was talking about the same the other day with Brwned, and it seems by this game that playing AMs/SS in wide-ish roles seem to work better than genuine wide threats.
It's a shame that width is not often appreciated much in a United forum as much as it should be. Was talking about the same the other day with Brwned, and it seems by this game that playing AMs/SS in wide-ish roles seem to work better than genuine wide threats.
Yeah the irony is that this is the opposite of the "exotic name effect" that we seem to encounter these days. Our best wingers were Best, Giggs, Beckham and most people tend to not appreciate the wingers of other countries as much. It really is a bit ironic on a united forum, but I guess our current midfield is the reason for that.
Wow, just wow, what the feck happened here?
Just to put some things straight:
I also understand the convenience of being able to say Thuram will cover Passarella but he simply never ever played on that side of the defence and having both CBs wrong-footed is a fecking liability and a disaster waiting to happen.
You have all the tools in your locker to win this game but you are being quite obstinate about misusing your personnel and refusing to admit it. Isotope has his hands full, but he is getting the best possible performance out of his men, and that always should and will get massive kudos.
Misused players switch off very quickly, footballing greats who are misused or don't even get the respect of their names being spelt right, switch off even quicker. I could see a few of your players staring at the bench and asking "WTF are you doing, man?". In fact, this looks every bit a Chelsea scenario to me. And you are acting Rafa Benítez to perfection.
Just to put some things straight:
- NM, Aldo's vote in my game didn't count and people did complain about it immediately, yourself/Theon included. Don't know why I'm being dragged into this.
- Assistants getting too involved and making it 2 vs. 1. I think assistants should be able to hold the fort, particularly if the manager is away, but not take over. Theon, you are taking over here, and I think that is not helping you guys and putting people off.
- Saying your manager doesn't know his players doesn't help either and portrays him poorly. He obviously will know a fair few, just asked for help unearthing lesser known players. BTW, NM, quality rant on your way back. Go back to that, build on that, don't get dragged into some of the moronic discussions taking place (e.g. don't pick on Zico, it makes you guys look desperate and quite silly).
- Assistant handbags. I've noticed it before, assistants tend to get into catfights, just like secretaries/gatekeepers do. Love it. You go bitches!
I also understand the convenience of being able to say Thuram will cover Passarella but he simply never ever played on that side of the defence and having both CBs wrong-footed is a fecking liability and a disaster waiting to happen.
You have all the tools in your locker to win this game but you are being quite obstinate about misusing your personnel and refusing to admit it. Isotope has his hands full, but he is getting the best possible performance out of his men, and that always should and will get massive kudos.
Misused players switch off very quickly, footballing greats who are misused or don't even get the respect of their names being spelt right, switch off even quicker. I could see a few of your players staring at the bench and asking "WTF are you doing, man?". In fact, this looks every bit a Chelsea scenario to me. And you are acting Rafa Benítez to perfection.
Veron is needed to control my midfield. I could go toe to toe 4-2-3-1 with NM but I would lose because his attack is better, and no one would care he has Carvalho as CB. I could go with 5-2-1-2, but as your game shows, it's hard to pull it off. So, I go with pragmatic choice of controlling the midfield by fielding passers type of player.
People is trapped on this enigma that every team must have wingers. Spain don't use a proper winger winning those trophies. France in 1998 WC didn't have any. Barca don't have any. German stop winning when they start using proper winger. So do France. Portugal had the best wingers in Ronaldo and Nani, but couldn't do nothing against Spain; even though they were both against 'average' Arbeloa and novice Alba. Did Italy have any winger when reach Euro final?
Arsenal used to dominate the game against us. We often win because their defence was wank, and so was their DM. But more often than not, possession team win the game. United start getting better in Europe when we start valuing possession based game.
I can use Finney (in place of Hagi). But how far he can contribute to my possession team, though?
Wow, just wow, what the feck happened here?
Just to put some things straight:
- NM, Aldo's vote in my game didn't count and people did complain about it immediately, yourself/Theon included. Don't know why I'm being dragged into this.
- Assistants getting too involved and making it 2 vs. 1. I think assistants should be able to hold the fort, particularly if the manager is away, but not take over. Theon, you are taking over here, and I think that is not helping you guys and putting people off.
- Saying your manager doesn't know his players doesn't help either and portrays him poorly. He obviously will know a fair few, just asked for help unearthing lesser known players. BTW, NM, quality rant on your way back. Go back to that, build on that, don't get dragged into some of the moronic discussions taking place (e.g. don't pick on Zico, it makes you guys look desperate and quite silly).
Concerning the actual game. I'm stunned NM is finding it so hard. Spelling your players' names right would help, as would utilising them to their full effect. You are both still banging on about Pelé leading the line FFS!
- Assistant handbags. I've noticed it before, assistants tend to get into catfights, just like secretaries/gatekeepers do. Love it. You go bitches!
I also understand the convenience of being able to say Thuram will cover Passarella but he simply never ever played on that side of the defence and having both CBs wrong-footed is a fecking liability and a disaster waiting to happen.
You have all the tools in your locker to win this game but you are being quite obstinate about misusing your personnel and refusing to admit it. Isotope has his hands full, but he is getting the best possible performance out of his men, and that always should and will get massive kudos.
Misused players switch off very quickly, footballing greats who are misused or don't even get the respect of their names being spelt right, switch off even quicker. I could see a few of your players staring at the bench and asking "WTF are you doing, man?". In fact, this looks every bit a Chelsea scenario to me. And you are acting Rafa Benítez to perfection.
you will notice Theon exited the thread once I arrived - he was only here once I was asleep. as per Aldo's vote - he explained it and I stopped mentioning it afterwards.
Regarding spellings - its the weekend. I'm drunk all sday.
Regarding Pele - I never said he was leading the line - I dunno where you get that from.
Pele is much more than just a striker. he will create as well - linking up with midfield as well as the wingers. He is an easy outlet every time there is a 2 vs 3 in midfield.
Can you tell me what you think I should be doing better if I am misusing the personnel? I genuinely think there is nothing wrong with the Passarella - Thuram combo as it is there for a specific purpose.
Do you have any other suggestions? I'm seriously asking.
Also can you point where I spelled a name wrong? I'll correct it.
Also - if you think I should be winning - do place your vote
Oh and I don't know what happened really? Iso and I were quite civil towards each other?
I don't mind Theon gets involved in the game, actually. I doubt voters would read a 3 page discussion, other than the passionate ones. So, the merrier the better. The assistant should be as passionate as the manager, as the team are theirs as a couple. No homo. yeh.. a little bit.
I dunno about that mate. we started getting better as our stars (rooney and Ronaldo) matured. We still relied heavily on our counter-attack - that's how we scored. I know your idea of possession based football is good - but I honestly think you lack the bite up top to pull it off - I think I'd pick you off on the counter.
Btw - I think a straight 4-2-3-1 battle would not have been as straight forward as you suspect.
Agreed with the counter. That's why I have Cordoba in place of Irwin (one of my fave player), and go with 3 in midfield. Going 4-2-3-1 against yours, people will start comparing our attack. Frankly, yours is better. And people then compare midfield. Although I have better duo, but that attack of yours weight more than the difference in our midfield. Then on defence, you have familiar names in there, and mine also; then people's mind will just go back to how awesome your attack is.
With going 4-3-3, at least I have something to 'sell'; try to make it super midfield against super attack. Then it's just a matter of preference from people.
yes and the caf's current obsession with our shit midfield and nobody realizing that Pele isn't just a striker - your midfield is winning you votes.
I voted for Isotope, I like his midfield and I am picturing in my own head how it would go, I see it being a midfield battle for control where the numbers generally win. Just my two cents. NM's team is still very good however.
well that's the problem. I see it as how we usually play Arsenal with me decimating him on the break. also the numbers don't win - were you aware that Pele is playing a little deeper or did you see him as an out and out forward?
+ some other stuff about Pelé being great off the shoulder of the last defender. None of which is consistent with your latter formation graphic, but the initial one, which was the wrong way to go about things. It was a huge debate on the main thread and yet, about four days later, you come on here still not having fully taken on board something people were clearly quite adamant about.
That's what I meant by going back to your returning post. That's what you should focus on, stop fecking around (whether you or Theon) with banging on about "Pelé the striker".
See above + your defence currently looks disjointed to me. You are asking Thuram to stay back so he can cover for Passarella, who you are playing on the wrong side so he can get cover. I do think it is a problem to play someone in a position he has never played before, CBs are not interchangeable like that, particularly when they both end up wrong-footed. It's manic stuff.
In case you are not getting it, imagine Passarella intercepts/tackles Zico or Raúl. In order to pass/clear he has to work the ball towards the centre of the box, i.e. towards the danger zone, in order to kick. That is a big fecking deal to me, a completely unnecessary risk of being dispossessed bang in front of goal. Defenders should always invariably work their way away from the danger zone when recovering possession and attempting a clearance.
It's not as huge a deal with Carvalho, he has played on the left side regularly, so despite being right-footed, he would have trained his left foot well enough for that not to be necessary. But Passarella has always relied on working the ball to his left foot for a clearance or a superb pass for a teammate. No one ever asked him to play on the right, so he won't be used to working it to his right. Him needing to work the ball closer to goal and potentially into the path of someone who just needs to take a wee punt at goal is a recipe for disaster. You are asking him to do that, for the first time ever in his career, just because it is convenient to rely on Thuram for cover. Ridiculous, absolute shocker of a decision IMO.
You keep getting Kalle's surname wrong. On the teamsheet, on the thread, it's everywhere. Makes him look like a bit part player in your plans, when he is no doubt one of your most important players.
Also - if you think I should be winning - do place your vote
At this point in time I think the voting is accurate. You should be winning but deserve not to because iso has had it spot on so far and you haven't.
I don't understand that - I could have SWORN I copied and pasted it from wikipedia!! I'll PM Brwned but I don't think he will be online.
my bad there...
Tactics Change -
I did see you had him slightly withdrawn off the front yes, again it was not a decision I took lightly both are very good sides and I don't particularly like the idea that voting is encouraged from us fellow managers as everyone put a lot of work into their teams, I know I did and I know my heart is going to break when it is picked apart.
btw - play your move in our chess game before you lose on time!!
Change to more 'cowardice' formation. I'd like to know if 5-2-2-1 is still alive.
