All-Time Fantasy Draft - NM v Isotope

Who will win based on players in their prime, team tactics, balance & bench strength?


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So do you think Zico and Hagi just disappeared? Do you know any of them actually?

I have no doubt I've seen these players more than you Isotope so just chill out.

Your team has no threat on the counter, that's a fact. You have no width, no striker who plays on the shoulder to latch onto quick through balls, a congested midfield and no raw pace upfront.

NM is the opposite, I don't think there is another team in the contest with such an obvious counter attacking threat, his wingers are perfect for it.
 
I'm not sure why NM went to such trouble building a proper coherent side that's actually realistic.

Isotope has just stuck 5 midfielders in the middle of the pitch and somehow people think thats a good tactic. It's insane.
 
I have no doubt I've seen these players more than you Isotope so just chill out.

Your team has no threat on the counter, that's a fact. You have no width, no striker who plays on the shoulder to latch onto quick through balls, a congested midfield and no raw pace upfront.

NM is the opposite, I don't think there is another team in the contest with such an obvious counter attacking threat, his wingers are perfect for it.

And who do you have for that role in your team? Both your forwards have always played alongside a center forward!
 
He's on the right so Thuram can drop into CB when Passarella carries the ball. Can't think of a better fullback for the job than Thuram.

Then you've got an area of the park patrolled by Carvalho and Cole, which, at this level, isn't wholly convincing.
 
And who do you have for that role in your team? Both your forwards have always played alongside a center forward!

I'm not sure I said that he did?

If you have followed the arguments in here and the draft thread its repeatedly been emphasised that Pele and Rummenigge are complete forwards who drift deep and create.

I was talking about Isotopes lack of threat on the counter as he has none of those listed elements to his team. NM doesnt have them all but he has an extreme amount of width and pace in his side.

Do you agree he has a far bigger threat on the counter?
 
I'll see how this one pans out first. Seems like not many really rate him as I and you do. I still have Hagi that can play on the wing, and Cabrini on the left providing width.

I'd like to see an element of attacking width there - doesn't have to be symmetrical - otherwise NM can defend narrow amid a Neeskens-and-Tardelli-marshalled clusterfeck.
 
Never mind the fact Thuram will be tucking in to form a tight back three when Passarella moves forward regardless of where he is on the pitch.
 
I'm not sure I said that he did?

If you have followed the arguments in here and the draft thread its repeatedly been emphasised that Pele and Rummenigge are complete forwards who drift deep and create.

I was talking about Isotopes lack of threat on the counter as he has none of those listed elements to his team. NM doesnt have them all but he has an extreme amount of width and pace in his side.

Do you agree he has a far bigger threat on the counter?

I don't know what you mean by complete forwards, but both were, as you said, drifting deep and wide and creating chances for main strikers in the team. Them as a pair is less balanced than Raul and Zico. If you are counting Pele's completeness in terms of his goal scoring, the same should be done for Zico as he had more or less the same skillset as Pele, at least in terms of being a goal scorer and it is not a coincidence that he was compared to Pele throughout his career and was dubbed as the white Pele! Both Pele and Zico are two of the best finishers and goal scorers of all time, and having either of them in the team means you won't be struggling in terms of goals, simple as that.

You are talking about Raul drifting deep and not leaving anyone to run behind the CBs and play on the shoulder, well you have the exact same problem. Hence, if you count Pele's role as a forward and him moving forward and scoring when needed, same would be done by Zico, and that is indeed what he did throughout his career and scored all those goals.
 
Thuram will be tight the majority of the game, he has no width to defend against. The whole backline will be tightly shut with Tardelli and Neeskens patrolling just ahead.

Genuinely, I can't see any way through. It's going to be narrow and congested as feck.
 
No NM doesn't have the same problem at all because he has Blokhin and Boniek cutting inside. Rummenigge and Pele are both quicker than Raul was so offer far more of an 'on the shoulder threat', added to the blistering pace of the two wide men and I have no clue what you're on about.

When Raul drops deep Isotope has literally nothing. Zico wasn't even a striker or as natural uptop as Pele. But the main difference is NM's two wingers, he is never without a counter attacking threat or pace to reach a through ball.
 
No NM doesn't have the same problem at all because he has Blokhin and Boniek cutting inside. Rummenigge and Pele are both quicker than Raul was so offer far more of an 'on the shoulder threat', added to the blistering pace of the two wide men and I have no clue what you're on about.

When Raul drops deep Isotope has literally nothing. Zico wasn't even a striker or as natural uptop as Pele. But the main difference is NM's two wingers, he is never without a counter attacking threat or pace to reach a through ball.

Eh? Zico was every bit as good as a finisher as Pele was and his positioning, runs, pace all enabled him to play the role of a forward perfectly! The sheer number of times he was found in and around the 6 yard box to put in any half chance that came his way should tell you that he is no less than Pele when it comes to playing as a forward.
 
Pelé quotes should be banned from this draft in fairness. You could pick and choose quotes from him throughout the last few decades to make the same point about dozens of players!
 
Just found the clip how Zico inspired Brazil to win against Argentina, marshaled by Passarella. World Cup 1982.

 
:confused: The feck are you about.. I'm not talking about how good a finisher Zico was. Pele played for a striker for years and is a more natural forward than Zico who thrived deeper. His heading ability alone sets him apart leading the line.
 
Pelé quotes should be banned from this draft in fairness. You could pick and choose quotes from him throughout the last few decades to make the same point about dozens of players!

That quote isnt posted to say that it is accurate, but if he is considered similar to Pele, by Pele, then there has to be some root to it. Anyway, it is more clear to me by watching Zico play that he would be no less shy of scoring in this game than Pele, that too against a struggling Carvalho.
 
:confused: The feck are you about.. I'm not talking about how good a finisher Zico was. Pele played for a striker for years and is a more natural forward than Zico who thrived deeper. His heading ability alone sets him apart leading the line.

Zico must be something if he scored almost 500 goals from midfield!
 
I was just making a general point that could've been made in pretty much every thread we've had so far, nothing to do with the Zico one! Just saying Pelé talks so much that by the end of this draft you could conceivably have two teams facing up against each other with a couple of players each that Pelé has crowned "the next(-best) Pelé".

I agree about the Zico point, Theon's getting too hung up on positions here. That multi-talented front 4/5 is capable of causing damage all over the pitch and Zico's taking the piss no matter where he is, no matter how congested it is and no matter who he has on him - there's no-one in the opposition capable of nullifying him.
 
I was just making a general point that could've been made in pretty much every thread we've had so far, nothing to do with the Zico one! Just saying Pelé talks so much that by the end of this draft you could conceivably have two teams facing up against each other with a couple of players each that Pelé has crowned "the next(-best) Pelé".

:lol: That's true. Same goes for the next Maradona. Both of them and Cruyff, it's hard to believe that they can be such big morons when they open their mouth after having shown such deep understanding of the game as players.
 
Zico must be something if he scored almost 500 goals from midfield!

I'm not sure what your problem is but you're being a bit of a sarcy prick here. You think Zico is as good at leading the line as Pele and you're talking complete rubbish.

Then again you think Viera is better than Neeskens and Iniesta shits all over Zidane, so you're clearly a bit clueless.
 
This assistance thing is nonsense. It should be the manager arguing for his team alone instead of 2 against 1.

Aye it's good to involve more folk in the competition but it gets tiresome quickly having to argue against two managers rather than one.
 
I'm not sure what your problem is but you're being a bit of a sarcy prick here. You think Zico is as good at leading the line as Pele and you're talking complete rubbish.

Then again you think Viera is better than Neeskens and Iniesta shits all over Zidane, so you're clearly a bit clueless.

Well done quoting stuff I have never said. You need to take this game a bit lightly, pal!
 
This. I didn't utter a single word in Antohan's game. It's one thing assisting behind the scenes, but this is pretty OTT.

Then again without Theon's input and NM having said nowt since 9pm, we wouldn't be sitting here chewing the fat.
 
This assistance thing is nonsense. It should be the manager arguing for his team alone instead of 2 against 1.

Aldo has evened that up nicely. Never seen such bias by a voter before.

NM doesnt know the players which is why he originally asked for help.
 
Is this guy for real? Jesus christ. What a wierd bloke.
 
Cut out the namecalling, mate! I know you rate your team highly but seeing the voting results it is clear that it is not just me who has the opinion that Isotope's team is better between the two. In any case, there's very little in it but Isotope going for a safe and effective formation has tilted the result in his way, at least so far. I haven't voted so far anyway as I think it's too close to call, although I would be leaning towards Isotope if the formations stay like this, I just see him managing to make it very tough for your forwards and CMs with all those CM in the middle and then nicking one behind the space created by Passerella pushing forward. Very close, still.
 
I agree about the Zico point, Theon's getting too hung up on positions here. That multi-talented front 4/5 is capable of causing damage all over the pitch and Zico's taking the piss no matter where he is, no matter how congested it is and no matter who he has on him - there's no-one in the opposition capable of nullifying him.

Thank you. Zico was a midfielder who consistently scored goals like a forward also providing the great assist all the time.Not to mention about the deadly free kicks and lethal left foot.

Pele and Zico played somehow a like, but at the time Zico used to play, playing football was much more difficult than Pele's time.



His record:
- Flamengo - 508 goals in 731 games
- Udinese - 56 goals in 79 games
 
feck. Calm down everybody. Anyway, for all those talking about Isotope's midfield, how is he actually going to score any goals? he has no width.

I have the best attack in the draft. Neeskens and Tardelli (IMO) will fight that midfield to a draw, but even if I give him that advantage my forwards are better than his, my wingers will decimate his full backs and my defense is better.

CORDOBA? CORDOBA vs Blokhin? feck. Ruminiegge and Pele will be getting tap ins and free headers all the time.

Pele playing behind Ruminiegge means Iso's defence can't touch him.

My attack has 3 Ballon D'ors and Pele. Give it some fecking respect.

I think Uniteds crap midfield and the Barcelona ******** means everybody on the caf just looks at the midfied of teams. My counterattacks will destroy him - even if he has more of the ball. remember how we rape Arsenal almost every year?

All I'm saying is think deeper instead of looking at the midfield.
 
**** i meant wank fest.

Forget about the midfield -or count it as only one of the attributes. Again - his forward is fecking Raul. In the context of this draft, thats a joke. Passarella will mark him our of the fecking game with ease. I can't believe some of the reasoning here. Even if he does have a good midfield, he won't be finishing those chances as Raul will be easily marked, and my midfielders will be marking his. On the other hand, Blokhin will destroy Cordoba. It won't be easy. Think Cristiano ronaldo vs Eboue. That's how bad it will be!
 
I think National achievements also play a big role when Zico and Pele are compared. While Pele has 3 World Cups to his name, Zico has none. I've also seen many Brazilian fans blaming Zico for Brazil not winning the World Cup during his time, as he was clearly the "star" man. Brazilian fans always think of not winning the WC as a failure and tend to find a scapegoat, and Zico was targeted a fair bit. He was a phenomenal player but it's a shame that lack of silverware tends to underrate him.