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All-time Fantasy Draft - KM v Paceme
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The manics wrote a song about him on Everything Must Go.
I will have access to a computer soon and will do just that doc. Get your arse in here and explain your piss poor midfield KM!Santos is not even an attacking fullback! He's just going to be sitting around doing feck all!
Everything has to be big for him, even his sandwich. Must be a Texan.
I'm English. But I do like sandwiches big.
A few points:
- Like both defences and attacks. Good quality across the board, although the jigsaw pieces haven't quite fit yet.
- Both midfields are comparatively weak - it's interesting how the draw has paired teams with similar strengths/weaknesses.
- Antohan's fullback motorway comment was spot on. This is classic 80s/90s 4-2-2-2 / 3-5-2 territory. I wonder if Paceme would benefit from a 4-2-2-2 approach. It's by and large the same as what France did in the 1980s so Amoros would be reprising his exact role there (same goes for Socrates presumably).
My midfield is weak compared to whose? Best defensive midfielder of the early 60s who was in the ballon dor top ten for 3 years. One who won the thing and took a fairly weak side to the final of the World Cup and probably Barcelona's key midfielder throughout most of the eighties. It's impeccably balanced as well with Socrates having complete freedom to tease his defence all match.
There's two areas for improvement for me. First is the lack of width. Second is Socrates albeit a great player in his day, isn't on the same level as a number of the elite no10s in the draft. Your other three midfielders are all excellent.
Rubbish! Don't know what Anto was getting at when he called Djalma Santos defensive either. Certainly he excelled in that area and he was defensive compared to Nilton Santos but he was up and down that wing all day long once Brazil moved to the 424. Never fazed on the ball, smart passer and great stamina = big threat with that kind of space in front of him.
Glad you spoke up to put that right, I thought I was going mad!
Wasn't fullbacks going forward something that was practiced quite less back then, and probably why Facchetti was known as the first truly attacking fullback?
Being an all-out attacking force like Facchetti is different though - that was rare back then and I'd argue it was still relatively rare up until recently. Djalma Santos in my view was not a defensive fullback in the way someone like Thuram was (and of course he still contributed going forward), he was just an excellent all-rounder. If we're calling him defensive we might as well call Javier Zanetti defensive.
I'm not explaining anything, bud. Piss poor midfield is bit of a ridiculous definition of my midfield. I'm not gonna bother to argue that.
Paceme's meltdown goes in vain.Btw how do you explain having such little width to your team when one of your strikers is one of the best headers of the ball in history?
Well Carlos Alberto played very soon after Santos finished and he is viewed as an all out attacking force by many, not that I completely agree as he was not that much different although still better going forward than Santos imo.
Fair point. From what I saw of them for Brazil the difference going forward was negligible and Carlos Alberto was much like Cafu who was just a superb all-rounder. Perhaps the difference was really apparent when they were given more prominent roles in their club sides?
feck this one is tight - I genunely can't deide who to vote for
I already addressed that. I wasn't expecting you to shit yourself 6 votes into the game and completely change the system you were playing. If you stayed with that first system i was perfectly set up. While you have altered it I still don't think it will work. You are using exactly the same type of width as me and the difference in quality is not massive so out wide it will be abit of a stalemate IMO. The obvious benefit I have is a really solid centre straight through where you seem to be relying solely on width. Just banging in crosses isn't going to get much joy out of my cb partnership.
I wouldn't say it's weak, it's just uninspiring. Plenty of energy and work rate, but no real stand out player, no one to catch the eye of the people who just glance at the teamsheets and vote.
Well after the tactical change up, I'm 9-5 up.
The team I set out was wrong and I immediately changed it. You may call it shitting it but the others will call it seeing the problem and rectifying it. The signs of a good manager
The team I set out was wrong and I immediately changed it. You may call it shitting it but the others will call it seeing the problem and rectifying it. The signs of a good manager
Masopust is far more than just work rate and energy. He earned massive plaudits from Puskas and Pele who both said he was one of the best midfielders they had ever seen.
His attacking is way weaker than me. Batistuta was a class act but he's not playing to his strengths. Guillt was amazing but I've got Messi who's probably the best attacker in this whole draft.
Can anyone vote? Or is it just for the people playing?
Everyone can vote, Summit.
Go ahead, it's open for all.
And since your midfield doesn't stand a chance of winning the battle in the middle. Are you planning on banging crosses into Messi?
You have a better attack but I have the best defence in the entire draft and have a player dedicated to stopping Messi influencing consistently. Who is then going to break down Baresi and Figueroa?
You have a better attack but I have the best defence in the entire draft and have a player dedicated to stopping Messi influencing consistently. Who is then going to break down Baresi and Figueroa?
Yes the fullbacks can only cross the balls. I mean look at Dani Alves and Messi combination. Their partnership just doesn't work at Barcelona.
I'm not so sure. Best CB partnership, I'll give you that. But I rate KM's wingbacks higher than yours, and with the addition of Sammer, it's not outrageous to say his defence is at least on a par, if not better than yours.
Well what are they going to do? Gordillo is just as attacking as Santos and they will keep each other penned back. Amoros is a nasty bastard who won't give An inch of space to any fullback.
You seem to be disregarding Schiaffino who incidentally rated 17th on IFFHS list of all time greatest players.
Ruud Guillt was btw 18th.
He, Schuster and Sócrates have more than enough creativity, passing quality and ball-carrying ability to trouble any team but they're also not big names in a draft packed full of big names. Sócrates was loved for his style by those who saw him but at the end of the day it was Zico with the spectacular finishes and Falcao with the Silver Ball - Sócrates was just along for the ride on the face of it. Masopust is a Ballon d'Or winner but again one of the lesser known ones, and Schuster is probably better known for a mediocre management career than an excellent playing career by many. And then of course there's Voronin. It's inevitable that Vieira is going to be appreciated more than Masopust regardless of their credentials.
I don't agree at all that Batistuta is being wasted without proper wingplay. 4 goals in 4 games in the 1994 World Cup in a team that played without wingers - he could score goals out of just a simple punt up front, he doesn't need a constant supply of top class crossing. It would help of course and it isn't utilising him to his full capacity but then the same is true of Messi and Schiaffino. It's difficult to put all the attackers in a perfect setup so early on in the game, by next round the teams should have a much more rounded feel to them.
Wait first you were saying Santos isn't attacking at all and now you're saying that Gordillo(who was said to be highly attacking) is attacking as Santos?
Make your fecking mind up.
His wingbacks are apparently just attacking. He has a bunch of sweepers playing in the middle with no stopper. It's not particularly balanced. Voronin is also part of my defence here, when under pressure he can easily drop back, he played as a centre back a good few times.
Well he is noted mainly for his defending, not his attacking. I never said that Gordillo is not attacking? I have said before that it will be a stalemate between the two if they are both bombing forward.
Phone is going to die in a minute
RIP, Paceme's phone. YAWN.
The voting looks a bit dead atm.