All-Time Club XIs
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I keep thinking about how to get the best out of the many Milan sides but keep ending up with misfits.
Maldini and Baresi have to be there, the rest of the defence to come out of Schnellinger, Costacurta, Tassotti, Nesta and Cafú.
van Basten, Gullit and Rijkaard pick themselves.
Rivera or Schiaffino but one has to be in there, the Little Abbot on longevity and being Italian I guess.
Pirlo... a lot of Milan fans resent the fact he left for Juve but, frankly, he was the one that team was built around for a decade, a very succesful one so in.
That jointly lands you in a diamond so Cafú it is, and no Tassotti. Costacurta was part of a different style defence so I'd go Nesta. Schnellinger could well get in there with Maldini at CB, but you don't push Maldini around in a Milan All-Time.
Keeper, any out of Cudicini, Rossi or Buffon. Albertosi the most successful one over his career, but not with them during a successful spell. On success and familiarity with the defence, Rossi.
My big issue then is the LCM. I like Seedorf but is there no one better? Really? Liedholm won't be a great fit there with Pirlo and Rivera in the side. Tempted to go with Gullit in midfield but that would, again, be against the side's best interest.
--------van Basten--------Gullit
---------------------Rivera
-------Seedorf???----------Rijkaard
----------------------Pirlo
Maldini-----Baresi---------Nesta-----Cafú
----------------------Rossi
Subs: Buffon, Schnellinger, Liedholm, Schiaffino and Kaká (both in a XMAS tree instead of Rivera), Altafini and Nordahl.
Maldini and Baresi have to be there, the rest of the defence to come out of Schnellinger, Costacurta, Tassotti, Nesta and Cafú.
van Basten, Gullit and Rijkaard pick themselves.
Rivera or Schiaffino but one has to be in there, the Little Abbot on longevity and being Italian I guess.
Pirlo... a lot of Milan fans resent the fact he left for Juve but, frankly, he was the one that team was built around for a decade, a very succesful one so in.
That jointly lands you in a diamond so Cafú it is, and no Tassotti. Costacurta was part of a different style defence so I'd go Nesta. Schnellinger could well get in there with Maldini at CB, but you don't push Maldini around in a Milan All-Time.
Keeper, any out of Cudicini, Rossi or Buffon. Albertosi the most successful one over his career, but not with them during a successful spell. On success and familiarity with the defence, Rossi.
My big issue then is the LCM. I like Seedorf but is there no one better? Really? Liedholm won't be a great fit there with Pirlo and Rivera in the side. Tempted to go with Gullit in midfield but that would, again, be against the side's best interest.
--------van Basten--------Gullit
---------------------Rivera
-------Seedorf???----------Rijkaard
----------------------Pirlo
Maldini-----Baresi---------Nesta-----Cafú
----------------------Rossi
Subs: Buffon, Schnellinger, Liedholm, Schiaffino and Kaká (both in a XMAS tree instead of Rivera), Altafini and Nordahl.
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Picking Barca's attack and midfield is a bit insane. You'd be leaving out all-time greats on the bench or out on the stands.
No Davie Cooper?. You are having a laugh.
Seriously, 2 of Italy's greatest goal keepers come from a same family, kinda of.
If you're trying to be smart by suggesting this is Uniteds worst 11 then you royally fecked it up. How long have you been following United (genuine question)
Every Barca XI should include Kubala. Their officially best player of all time (I guess the results would be different if the poll would be conducted after 1999
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I know man, I had him in the first XI while writing it first, but I had forgotten Ronaldinho so included him and then forgot about Kubala.Every Barca XI should include Kubala. Their officially best player of all time (I guess the results would be different if the poll would be conducted after 1999
Easy to miss out on names when you have those many haha. Love Kubala to bits anyway, so underrated. Imagine had Di Stefano joined Barca like he was initially supposed to, it is widely accepted that him and Kubala in the same team would have taken out whatever came in their path with ease.
Appreciate what he did during those years and next to Platini but I would say there are others who deserve it more considering his time spent at the club.
Can't possibly leave out Del Piero from an all time Juve XI, that would be like leaving out Pupi from an Inter XI. Del Piero, Charles, Boniperti and Platini in my opinion. Boniek would have been there had he played a bit longer. To put things in perspective, Pogba is 4 games away from overtaking Boniek in the number of appearances for the club.
You can't play Platini there. Any Juve All-time side has to be built around Platini. Baggio shouldn't be there, any Juve fan will tell you that outright. Stick Boniperti there instead and Boniek on the wing, get rid of Zidane...
Start over really
No chance every Juve fan will tell you Baggio shouldn't be in their all time XI. A few of them will row about him vs De Piero but most will have him in there. There's a decent Juve fans site called juvefc.com and 2 of their 3 writers have Baggio in. Baggio and Zidane out is your opinion and that's great but these are subjective and that's the team I'd have.
No Makelele?
I think this thread is for personal opinions and not line-ups/views from other websites.
Any suggestions?
It is and that side is my personal opinion. I mentioned the views from that other site because I was told every Juventus fan would tell me Baggio shouldn't be included.
Is there really a debate on who is a bigger Juve legend between Baggio and Del Piero? All time record appearances for the club, all time record goal scorer, close to twenty years at the club, stayed there during relegation, the man lives and breathes Juve, adored by every man alive who supports the club. Him and Scirea are the two absolute dead certs and the two first names on the team as far as I am concerned. Irks me how easily people overlook the great man.
Any suggestions?
Sebastiano Nela has to be the left back and Giannini has to be there somewhere, maybe instead of De- Rossi,
Thanks. Thought about Giannini a lot and wasn't sure about Carboni.
Whoever told you is wrong. I would include Baggio ahead of Zidane but Del Piero has to be there. No Juve X1 would be complete without him.
It was tough leaving out Del Piero but for me, Baggio was an artist. It's like arguing between Cantona and Rooney (who will be our all time record goalscorer in all likelyhood). Not a perfect comparison because Del Piero is obviously better than Rooney but I just preferred Baggio and I don't think you can have both in there.
Whoever told me what? Antohan was telling me that Baggio should be dropped for Boniek with Boniperti played up behind Charles.
Fair enough mate, it's your team at the end of the day. Don't agree with that analogy really though, the similarities end at them being the all time top scorers. Nor was Baggio anywhere near as important and influential to Juve as Cantona was to us. Baggio's overall a bigger name so I can understand few going for him. For me, as I said, Del Piero is synonymous with Juve like Pupi is with Inter.
For the sake of variety, this is what was voted Stoke's greatest XI by the fans:
Banks
Jackie Marsh - Ryan Shawcross - Denis Smith - Mike Pejic
Stanley Matthews - Alan Hudson - Jimmy Greenhoff - Peter Hoekstra
Ricardo Fuller - Mark Stein
Jackie Marsh - Ryan Shawcross - Denis Smith - Mike Pejic
Stanley Matthews - Alan Hudson - Jimmy Greenhoff - Peter Hoekstra
Ricardo Fuller - Mark Stein
Picking Baggio over Del Piero in a Juve XI is just odd. The gap between Baggio and pre-injury Del Piero wasn't that big and Del Piero played a major role in Juve's only CL win( or one of two if you include the European Cup). He doesn't just have the longevity going for him, his peak years were absolutely immense and his direct impact on the biggest trophy Juve won since Platini as well. I can't shake the feeling that he's often a bit underrated nowadays as an individual because after his knee injury he never was that one stand-out player for Juve again.
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Aye, he was immense circa 95-98.
Choosing a diamond to fit Pirlo in is already against the side's best interest. And Pirlo is really the only reason why you'd choose that formation, it doesn't make much sense otherwise. You'd build the side around van Basten, Gullit & Rijkaard, they're the foundation of the greatest Milan side ever and if you play them in their prefered roles and system, Pirlo is almost impossible to fit in.
Obviously Pirlo belongs in the side, so feck the side's best interest and leave Seedorf out of there. He doesn't belong anywhere near that alltime side.
the opposition is going to walk through the central MF of Hudson & Greenhoff, and then turn back again probably, cos Denis Smith was a very hard man by all accounts, and we know about Ryan Shawclog, obv. They must able to do better than Fuller & Stein surely.
you cannot leave Bryan Robson out of a Greatest Utd team
Evra bench, Irwin to LB, Keane to RB, Robson into MF
Evra bench, Irwin to LB, Keane to RB, Robson into MF
Duncan Edwards, Bryan Robson, Roy Keane, Paul Scholes, Bobby Charlton.you cannot leave Bryan Robson out of a Greatest Utd team
Evra bench, Irwin to LB, Keane to RB, Robson into MF
Ryan Giggs, David Beckham, George Best, Cristiano Ronaldo.
Some tough decisions would have to be made.
Yes, I like that, most definitely, I would think, if everyone was available.
Stoke...
Stein Fuller definitely AXED, 2 from Ritchie, Viollet, Wilshaw IN, as a sidenote Geoff Hurst played for SCFC too
Denis Smith news: DS played a Stoke reserve game on the morning of his wedding & prefers Robert Huth at CB in his dream team but this does mean leaving out Steve Bould !!!
(not short of a bit of 'muscle' at CB are they?)
Stein Fuller definitely AXED, 2 from Ritchie, Viollet, Wilshaw IN, as a sidenote Geoff Hurst played for SCFC too
Denis Smith news: DS played a Stoke reserve game on the morning of his wedding & prefers Robert Huth at CB in his dream team but this does mean leaving out Steve Bould !!!
(not short of a bit of 'muscle' at CB are they?)
Schmeichel
Irwin Edwards Ferdinand Byrne
Keane Robson
Charlton
Ronaldo Law Best
Irwin Edwards Ferdinand Byrne
Keane Robson
Charlton
Ronaldo Law Best
(4-4-2): Peter Shilton
Viv Anderson, Des Walker, Kenny Burns, Stuart Pearce
Ian Storey-Moore, Roy Keane, John McGovern, John Robertson
Stan Collymore, Trevor Francis
Viv Anderson, Des Walker, Kenny Burns, Stuart Pearce
Ian Storey-Moore, Roy Keane, John McGovern, John Robertson
Stan Collymore, Trevor Francis
As I've said elsewhere in this thread, it's in no way meant as the worst XI, just a compilation of players I didn't like in their positions (so with Giggs it's in midfield, not in general, same with Rafael.)
As for your question: 96. How about you? Not that it matters anyway.
How the hell do you pick a United on of these? If you say that Schmeichel, Irwin, Rio, Edwards, Best and Law are givens:
How do you pick one from Byrne and Neville?
Who gets the nod between Vidic and Stam?
How do you pick between Robson and Keane? Or between Scholes and Charlton?
Who gets left out from Ronaldo and Giggs?
How do you justify no space for Cantona?
I pick Schmeichel, Irwin, Edwards, Best and Law as my all time United 5 a side team (with Rio on the bench) but I can't pick an 11. It's too hard.
How do you pick one from Byrne and Neville?
Who gets the nod between Vidic and Stam?
How do you pick between Robson and Keane? Or between Scholes and Charlton?
Who gets left out from Ronaldo and Giggs?
How do you justify no space for Cantona?
I pick Schmeichel, Irwin, Edwards, Best and Law as my all time United 5 a side team (with Rio on the bench) but I can't pick an 11. It's too hard.
Early 80's
Ooh 5-a-side?
Schmikes
Edwards
Best - Cristiano
Law
Bring it.Edwards
Best - Cristiano
Law
Would Cristiano really be the best choice for a 5-a-side though?