All time British+Irish Fantasy Draft

I am as a big part of it as anybody, but I've always thought this match thread/tactical discussion in the main thread should be banned or just not discussed.

I agree - it's hard not to, though. Both when people ask reasonable questions and when people make claims others disagree with - but, yeah, I think we should try to keep it to a minimum.

Or at least keep it at a fairly general level - not going into details about players and their qualities/functions.
 
I'm surprised there's not been a bit more competition for the top full-backs, given the calibre of some of the wingers in the draft.

Several names that haven't shown up too - more from the modern era*, actually, where you had fullbacks/side backs in common set-ups who were usually very sound defensively.

* Not present day - but well after it became standard to field four at the back.
 
Confirmed:

MJJ
- 176m - 1. Bobby Charlton 66m, 2. Bryan Robson 60M, 3. Kenny Dalglish 49m

Annah - 220m 1. George Best 95m, 2. Stanley Matthews 52m, 3. Danny Blanchflower 63m 4. B. Collins 10m

Skizzo - 230m 1. John Charles 42m, 2. Bobby Moore 52m 3. Neville Southall 15m 4. Paul Ince 26m 5. Gary Neville 30m 6. David Beckham 50m 7. Frank Lampard

Lynk - 269m(-5m)1. Roy Keane 75m 2. Pat Jennings 30m 3. Billy Meredith 30m 4. Tony Adams 35m 5.John Terry 39m 6. Barry 10m 7. Duff 10m 8. Fowler 14m 9. Waddle 10m 10. V. Anderson 16m

Barney - 155m 1. Paul Scholes 67m, 2. Graeme Souness 56m 3. Jimmy Armfield 15m 4. John Greig 17m

EAP - 249m 1. Paul Gascoigne 46m, 2. Harry Styles 45m, 3. Paul McGrath 45m 4. Michael Owen 16m 5.Liam Brady 49m 6. Shay Given 14m 7. George Cohen 12m 8. Wes Brown 10m 9. Tommy Gemmell 12m

Raees (-5m) - 236m 1. Denis Law 58m, 2. Dave Mackay 49m, 3. Alan Ball 17m 4. Billy Bremner 47m 5. Sol Campbell 37m 6.Eddie Hapgood 10m 7. Billy McNeill 18m

Chesterlestreet - 211m 1. Duncan Edwards 69m, 2. Billy Wright 30m, 3. Roger Byrne 27m; 4. Johnny Haynes 30m 5.William R. Dean. 45m 6. W. Woodburn 10m

Gio - 148m 1. Jimmy Greaves 30m, 2. Tom Finney 72m 3. Ashley Cole 36m 4. Davie Meiklejohn 10m

Stobzilla - 226m 1. Jimmy Johnstone 38m; 2. Alan Hansen 40m 3. Johnny Giles 50m 4. Eddie Gray 40m 5.Ratfcliffe 15m 6. P. Reid 15m 7. D. McGrain 28m

SirAF- 2227m 1. Giggs 70m, 2. Hurst 10m, 3. Lineker 25m 4. Trevor Brooking 18m 5. Steven Gerrard 33m 6.Hart 10m 7. OShea 10m 8. L.King 25m 9. L. Baines 15m 10. M.Carrick 14m 11. Terry Butcher 16m 12. Gary Pallister 10m

Crappy - 224m 1. Irwin 42m, 2. Rush 30m 3. Wayne Rooney 20m 4. Bale 30m 5. Rio Ferdinand 55m 6. Jim Baxter 47m

Bids for 6th Round MFs + Defenders (Starts at 7 PM BST, Everyone can nominate any 2 players)


Bobby Lennox - 20m Skizzo 03.15
Pat Crerand - Chester 20m - 11:01
Ray Wilson-MJJ-10m-6:40
Des Walker - Gio 34m - 09.00
Sandy Jardine - SirAF 15m - 11:15

Bids for 5th Round Goalkeepers:

Ron Springett - Stobzilla 10m - 10.00
Jack Kelsey - Chesterle 10m - 10.00
Harry Gregg - MJJ 10m - 10.00
Andy Goram - crappy 10m - 10.00
Ray Clemence - Raees 10m - 10.00
Ronnie Simpson - Barney 10m - 10.00
David Seaman - no bid
Jim Leighton - Annah 10m - 10:43

List updated.
 
I count ten keepers either on the books or on the bid list - so two boys are going for the Snake Solution by the looks of it. Unless people are planning on having a keeper sub, that is.
 
Eddie Hapgood

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One of the shrewdest signings legendary manager Herbert Chapman ever made was that of left-back Eddie Hapgood, who became a key figure in the great Arsenal side of the 1930s that dominated English football like no club had done before. He became known as the "ambassador of football" - later the title of his autobiography - and is still regarded by many as the greatest left-back in Arsenal's history, despite the claims of other notables in that position such as (can't mention here).

When signed as a 19 year old Vegetarian Eddie was so frail at this stage that he was frequently knocked out when heading the heavy leather balls. This was a cause of much concern and threatened to abort his embryonic career. But the Arsenal trainer, Tom Whittaker, determined that Hapgood was simply too light, weighing just 9 stone 6lbs, and needed to be built up. Whittaker introduced a regime of weight training and made the player start eating meat, putting him on a diet that was said to have consisted almost entirely of steak. It was a blow to speedy right-winger Joe Hulme, who shared digs with Hapgood and had been benefitting from Eddie's share of the meat; but otherwise it was a winning formula, as Hapgood rapidly developed a strapping physique and would be known in for his strength, power, and heading ability.

After collecting that FA Cup winner's medal in 1930, Hapgood played in all but four of Arsenal's games in their record-breaking 1930-31 campaign, when they became the first southern club to win the League championship, racking up a record haul of 66 points and netting a staggering 127 goals in the process. Another Wembley appearance followed in 1932 as Arsenal finished runners-up in both League and FA Cup, and then came three consecutive title triumphs between 1932-33 and 1934-35. Another FA Cup triumph was secured in 1936, and a fifth League championship in 1938.

Hapgood had become peerless in his position, carving out a reputation for class, composure and elegance in a previously unfashionable position. Technically outstanding, with great anticipation that contributed to astute positional sense, he was also a byword for consistency, playing in at least 35 matches in League, FA Cup and Charity Shield for the Gunners during each of ten consecutive seasons between 1929-30 and 1938-39. Arsenal's success in the 1930s, which brought five league championships and three cup final appearances, was based on Chapman's strategy of sound defence and rapid counter-attack. Hapgood, as left full-back, played a key role in this system. Of average height and medium build, he relied upon exceptional speed, precision in the tackle, excellent positional sense, and, despite his height, outstanding heading ability. His technique was to manoeuvre his opponent away from dangerous positions, dispossess with a well-timed tackle or interception, and set up an attack with a shrewdly placed, often short, pass.

Having succeeded Parker as Arsenal captain, the supremely confident Hapgood exuded calm authority as well as guts, making him a natural leader in the dressing room and on the pitch. It was inevitable that his prowess would be recognised by England, and he made his international debut against Italy in Rome, on 13 May 1933, a 1-1 draw. He duly became England captain too, and the first of his 21 games as skipper of the Three Lions was the infamous "Battle of Highbury" on 14 November 1934, against Italy, by now the reigning world champions following their World Cup triumph on home soil earlier that year.
 
I also count ten Englishmen in SirAF's team. He has 12 players confirmed already. He needs three more non English players. That means he'll end up with 15 players - and that ain't allowed. Max 14 as per the rules.

Unless I've counted wrong, there's a problem brewin' here.
 
I count ten keepers either on the books or on the bid list - so two boys are going for the Snake Solution by the looks of it. Unless people are planning on having a keeper sub, that is.

They can just make keeper bids in the open rounds? :S Will just end up having to nominate more than the 2 in the other rounds so they can finish their team.
 
Adding the infamous Willie Woodburn to my side:

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More on Willie, his infamy and his oft forgotten - and remarkable - qualities as a footballer will follow later, when I do a proper write-up for all my players.
 
They can just make keeper bids in the open rounds? :S Will just end up having to nominate more than the 2 in the other rounds so they can finish their team.

According to crappy's clarification yesterday you can go for ANY eligible player in the snake rounds - including keepers, presumably.
 
How my team is shaping up. Waddle is temporarily playing centrally.

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According to crappy's clarification yesterday you can go for ANY eligible player in the snake rounds - including keepers, presumably.

Indeed, but after someones team is finished - they won't get more nominations themselves - which means the nominations must then be split to the remaining teams. This can of course be cheated on by bypassing it - by saving 20 mill for the auction round - which means you aren't "done" officially and can hence nominate players.

But I am sure nobody will do that, or Crappy will clearly see it and force people to bid on all nominations they make after they have 10 players already.
 
Indeed, but after someones team is finished - they won't get more nominations themselves - which means the nominations must then be split to the remaining teams. This can of course be cheated on by bypassing it - by saving 20 mill for the auction round - which means you aren't "done" officially and can hence nominate players.

But I am sure nobody will do that, or Crappy will clearly see it and force people to bid on all nominations they make after they have 10 players already.

Not sure I follow you, sir.

You can have up to 14 players in your squad - so you shouldn't be declared "done" until you have that - or until you run out of money, of course.
 
Besides, if saving twenty mill for the snake rounds is considered cheating (or even semi cheating), what would be the point of these rounds?

As I understand it, waiting until the snake rounds to finish up your team/squad isn't only legitimate - it's part of the basic idea here.
 
Besides, if saving twenty mill for the snake rounds is considered cheating (or even semi cheating), what would be the point of these rounds?

As I understand it, waiting until the snake rounds to finish up your team/squad isn't only legitimate - it's part of the basic idea here.

I've clearly put it poorly as it is not what I mean at all!

If a team who has 10 players - and wants to wait for the snake draft - gets to nominate players further, without making bid. He can nominate sheep players who played one game ever, and someone will end up forced to buy this player - as there aren't enough players in the pool overall as it stands.

So you should have to make bids on every player you nominate - once you have 10 players. Or just remove the limit of nominations, so in round 10 of the auction if someone has 6 players - he can nominate 4 and sign them.
 
Not sure I follow you, sir.

You can have up to 14 players in your squad - so you shouldn't be declared "done" until you have that - or until you run out of money, of course.
But my take on the rules, quoted below, is that you can stop once you get to 12 players - whenever that is.
  • A total of 12 players will go for sale in each round. These players can be nominated by PM by all managers (and certain neutrals) in play. First 12 players received via PM will be chosen.
  • A player may bid for as many players as he like in any round.
  • Each team must buy a minimum of 12 players and can buy maximum of 14 players.
 
I count ten keepers either on the books or on the bid list - so two boys are going for the Snake Solution by the looks of it. Unless people are planning on having a keeper sub, that is.
Jennings, Hart, Given and Southall were already sold, so only 8 managers actually need a goalkeeper in the goalkeeper round for all 12 teams to have one.
 
I've clearly put it poorly as it is not what I mean at all!

If a team who has 10 players - and wants to wait for the snake draft - gets to nominate players further, without making bid. He can nominate sheep players who played one game ever, and someone will end up forced to buy this player - as there aren't enough players in the pool overall as it stands.

So you should have to make bids on every player you nominate - once you have 10 players. Or just remove the limit of nominations, so in round 10 of the auction if someone has 6 players - he can nominate 4 and sign them.

Now we're on the same page!

But my take on the rules, quoted below, is that you can stop once you get to 12 players - whenever that is.
  • A total of 12 players will go for sale in each round. These players can be nominated by PM by all managers (and certain neutrals) in play. First 12 players received via PM will be chosen.
  • A player may bid for as many players as he like in any round.
  • Each team must buy a minimum of 12 players and can buy maximum of 14 players.

Yessuh, you're right. It was in response to Annah's post - which I misunderstood.

Jennings, Hart, Given and Southall were already sold, so only 8 managers actually need a goalkeeper in the goalkeeper round for all 12 teams to have one.

Aye - miscounted there. 4 already have keepers - seven have entered bids in this round. So, one man still has no keeper/bid. And one very conspicuous keeper remains un-nominated.
 
Confirmed:

MJJ
- 176m - 1. Bobby Charlton 66m, 2. Bryan Robson 60M, 3. Kenny Dalglish 49m

Annah - 220m 1. George Best 95m, 2. Stanley Matthews 52m, 3. Danny Blanchflower 63m 4. B. Collins 10m

Skizzo - 230m 1. John Charles 42m, 2. Bobby Moore 52m 3. Neville Southall 15m 4. Paul Ince 26m 5. Gary Neville 30m 6. David Beckham 50m 7. Frank Lampard

Lynk - 269m(-5m)1. Roy Keane 75m 2. Pat Jennings 30m 3. Billy Meredith 30m 4. Tony Adams 35m 5.John Terry 39m 6. Barry 10m 7. Duff 10m 8. Fowler 14m9. Waddle 10m 10. V. Anderson 16m

Barney - 155m 1. Paul Scholes 67m, 2. Graeme Souness 56m 3. Jimmy Armfield 15m 4. John Greig 17m

EAP - 249m 1. Paul Gascoigne 46m, 2. Harry Styles 45m, 3. Paul McGrath 45m 4. Michael Owen 16m 5.Liam Brady 49m 6. Shay Given 14m 7. George Cohen 12m 8. Wes Brown 10m 9. Tommy Gemmell 12m

Raees (-5m) - 236m 1. Denis Law 58m, 2. Dave Mackay 49m, 3. Alan Ball 17m 4. Billy Bremner 47m 5. Sol Campbell 37m 6.Eddie Hapgood 10m 7. Billy McNeill 18m

Chesterlestreet - 211m 1. Duncan Edwards 69m, 2. Billy Wright 30m, 3. Roger Byrne 27m; 4. Johnny Haynes 30m 5.William R. Dean. 45m 6. W. Woodburn 10m

Gio - 148m 1. Jimmy Greaves 30m, 2. Tom Finney 72m 3. Ashley Cole 36m 4. Davie Meiklejohn 10m

Stobzilla - 226m 1. Jimmy Johnstone 38m; 2. Alan Hansen 40m 3. Johnny Giles 50m 4. Eddie Gray 40m 5.Ratfcliffe 15m 6. P. Reid 15m 7. D. McGrain 28m

SirAF- 2227m 1. Giggs 70m, 2. Hurst 10m, 3. Lineker 25m 4. Trevor Brooking 18m 5. Steven Gerrard 33m 6.Hart 10m 7. OShea 10m 8. L.King 25m 9. L. Baines 15m 10. M.Carrick 14m 11. Terry Butcher 16m 12. Gary Pallister 10m

Crappy - 224m 1. Irwin 42m, 2. Rush 30m 3. Wayne Rooney 20m 4. Bale 30m 5. Rio Ferdinand 55m 6. Jim Baxter 47m

Bids for 6th Round MFs + Defenders (Starts at 7 PM BST, Everyone can nominate any 2 players)


Bobby Lennox - 20m Skizzo 03.15
Pat Crerand - Chester 20m - 11:01
Ray Wilson-MJJ-10m-6:40
Des Walker - Gio 34m - 09.00
Sandy Jardine - Gio 17m - 14.52

Bids for 5th Round Goalkeepers:

Ron Springett - Stobzilla 10m - 10.00
Jack Kelsey - Chesterle 10m - 10.00
Harry Gregg - MJJ 10m - 10.00
Andy Goram - crappy 10m - 10.00
Ray Clemence - Raees 10m - 10.00
Ronnie Simpson - Barney 10m - 10.00
David Seaman - no bid
Jim Leighton - Annah 10m - 10:43

@SirAF
 
You can start the nominations for forwards and wingers round. Everyone just gets one nomination only. ONLY ONE.

I ll invite a few neutrals to lob on 4 more players
 
Confirmed:

MJJ
- 176m - 1. Bobby Charlton 66m, 2. Bryan Robson 60M, 3. Kenny Dalglish 49m

Annah - 220m 1. George Best 95m, 2. Stanley Matthews 52m, 3. Danny Blanchflower 63m 4. B. Collins 10m

Skizzo - 230m 1. John Charles 42m, 2. Bobby Moore 52m 3. Neville Southall 15m 4. Paul Ince 26m 5. Gary Neville 30m6. David Beckham 50m 7. Frank Lampard

Lynk - 269m(-5m)1. Roy Keane 75m 2. Pat Jennings 30m 3. Billy Meredith 30m 4. Tony Adams 35m 5.John Terry 39m6. Barry 10m 7. Duff 10m 8. Fowler 14m9. Waddle 10m 10. V. Anderson 16m

Barney - 155m 1. Paul Scholes 67m, 2. Graeme Souness 56m 3. Jimmy Armfield 15m 4. John Greig 17m

EAP - 249m 1. Paul Gascoigne 46m, 2. Harry Styles 45m, 3. Paul McGrath 45m 4. Michael Owen 16m 5.Liam Brady 49m6. Shay Given 14m 7. George Cohen 12m 8. Wes Brown 10m 9. Tommy Gemmell 12m

Raees (-5m) - 236m 1. Denis Law 58m, 2. Dave Mackay 49m, 3. Alan Ball 17m 4. Billy Bremner 47m 5. Sol Campbell 37m 6.Eddie Hapgood 10m 7. Billy McNeill 18m

Chesterlestreet - 211m 1. Duncan Edwards 69m, 2. Billy Wright 30m, 3. Roger Byrne 27m; 4. Johnny Haynes 30m5.William R. Dean. 45m 6. W. Woodburn 10m

Gio - 148m 1. Jimmy Greaves 30m, 2. Tom Finney 72m 3. Ashley Cole 36m 4. Davie Meiklejohn 10m

Stobzilla - 226m 1. Jimmy Johnstone 38m; 2. Alan Hansen 40m 3. Johnny Giles 50m 4. Eddie Gray 40m 5.Ratfcliffe 15m 6. P. Reid 15m 7. D. McGrain 28m

SirAF- 2227m 1. Giggs 70m, 2. Hurst 10m, 3. Lineker 25m 4. Trevor Brooking 18m 5. Steven Gerrard 33m 6.Hart 10m7. OShea 10m 8. L.King 25m 9. L. Baines 15m 10. M.Carrick 14m 11. Terry Butcher 16m 12. Gary Pallister 10m

Crappy - 224m 1. Irwin 42m, 2. Rush 30m 3. Wayne Rooney 20m 4. Bale 30m 5. Rio Ferdinand 55m 6. Jim Baxter 47m

Bids for 6th Round MFs + Defenders (Starts at 7 PM BST, Everyone can nominate any 2 players)


Bobby Lennox - 20m Skizzo 03.15
Pat Crerand - Chester 20m - 11:01
Ray Wilson-MJJ-10m-6:40
Des Walker - Gio 34m - 09.00
Sandy Jardine - Gio 17m - 14.52

Bids for 5th Round Goalkeepers:

Ron Springett - Stobzilla 10m - 10.00
Jack Kelsey - Chesterle 10m - 10.00
Harry Gregg - MJJ 10m - 10.00
Andy Goram - crappy 10m - 10.00
Ray Clemence - Raees 10m - 10.00
Ronnie Simpson - Barney 10m - 10.00
David Seaman - no bid
Jim Leighton - Annah 10m - 10:43

Bids for 6th round - forwards/wingers - Everyone just gets one nomination only. ONLY ONE.
Raich Carter
- Annah 10m - 15:25
 
@SirAF has an ineligible squad now. So he loses pallister from his squad but does not get the 10m back since that would be like canceling your bid. Palister is not up for sale though, he is invalid for this round now, back In reinforcements
 
@SirAF has an ineligible squad now. So he loses pallister from his squad but does not get the 10m back since that would be like canceling your bid. Palister is not up for sale though, he is invalid for this round now, back In reinforcements

Right. That's not so bad, thanks.
 
Confirmed:

MJJ
- 176m - 1. Bobby Charlton 66m, 2. Bryan Robson 60M, 3. Kenny Dalglish 49m

Annah - 220m 1. George Best 95m, 2. Stanley Matthews 52m, 3. Danny Blanchflower 63m 4. B. Collins 10m

Skizzo - 230m 1. John Charles 42m, 2. Bobby Moore 52m 3. Neville Southall 15m 4. Paul Ince 26m 5. Gary Neville 30m6. David Beckham 50m 7. Frank Lampard

Lynk - 269m(-5m)1. Roy Keane 75m 2. Pat Jennings 30m 3. Billy Meredith 30m 4. Tony Adams 35m 5.John Terry 39m6. Barry 10m 7. Duff 10m 8. Fowler 14m9. Waddle 10m 10. V. Anderson 16m

Barney - 155m 1. Paul Scholes 67m, 2. Graeme Souness 56m 3. Jimmy Armfield 15m 4. John Greig 17m

EAP - 249m 1. Paul Gascoigne 46m, 2. Harry Styles 45m, 3. Paul McGrath 45m 4. Michael Owen 16m 5.Liam Brady 49m6. Shay Given 14m 7. George Cohen 12m 8. Wes Brown 10m 9. Tommy Gemmell 12m

Raees (-5m) - 236m 1. Denis Law 58m, 2. Dave Mackay 49m, 3. Alan Ball 17m 4. Billy Bremner 47m 5. Sol Campbell 37m 6.Eddie Hapgood 10m 7. Billy McNeill 18m

Chesterlestreet - 211m 1. Duncan Edwards 69m, 2. Billy Wright 30m, 3. Roger Byrne 27m; 4. Johnny Haynes 30m5.William R. Dean. 45m 6. W. Woodburn 10m

Gio - 148m 1. Jimmy Greaves 30m, 2. Tom Finney 72m 3. Ashley Cole 36m 4. Davie Meiklejohn 10m

Stobzilla - 226m 1. Jimmy Johnstone 38m; 2. Alan Hansen 40m 3. Johnny Giles 50m 4. Eddie Gray 40m 5.Ratfcliffe 15m 6. P. Reid 15m 7. D. McGrain 28m

SirAF- 2227m 1. Giggs 70m, 2. Hurst 10m, 3. Lineker 25m 4. Trevor Brooking 18m 5. Steven Gerrard 33m 6.Hart 10m7. OShea 10m 8. L.King 25m 9. L. Baines 15m 10. M.Carrick 14m 11. Terry Butcher 16m 12. Gary Pallister 10m

Crappy - 224m 1. Irwin 42m, 2. Rush 30m 3. Wayne Rooney 20m 4. Bale 30m 5. Rio Ferdinand 55m 6. Jim Baxter 47m

Bids for 6th Round MFs + Defenders (Starts at 7 PM BST, Everyone can nominate any 2 players)


Bobby Lennox - 20m Skizzo 03.15
Pat Crerand - Chester 20m - 11:01
Ray Wilson-MJJ-10m-6:40
Des Walker - Gio 34m - 09.00
Sandy Jardine - Gio 17m - 14.52

Bids for 5th Round Goalkeepers:

Ron Springett - Stobzilla 10m - 10.00
Jack Kelsey - Chesterle 10m - 10.00
Harry Gregg - MJJ 10m - 10.00
Andy Goram - crappy 10m - 10.00
Ray Clemence - Raees 10m - 10.00
Ronnie Simpson - Barney 10m - 10.00
David Seaman - no bid
Jim Leighton - Annah 10m - 10:43

Bids for 6th round - forwards/wingers

Raich Carter
- Annah 10m - 15:25
Alan Shearer - Stobzilla 20m - 15:29