All time British+Irish Fantasy Draft

10m for Hapgood who I would consider the best "full back" in the draft. How come people let him go? Was he considered but rejected for the quite obvious reason? Or just slipped through. Armfield also a steal for that price.
 
Annahnomoss said:
10m for Hapgood who I would consider the best "full back" in the draft. How come people let him go? Was he considered but rejected for the quite obvious reason? Or just slipped through.
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I might have an argument for "best full back" with McGrain.

But 10 mil for Hapgood certainly is a bargain.
 
Annahnomoss said:
10m for Hapgood who I would consider the best "full back" in the draft. How come people let him go? Was he considered but rejected for the quite obvious reason? Or just slipped through. Armfield also a steal for that price.
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I think the guys who knew about him had already committed to other full backs i.e. Gio.
 
The issue with Hapgood was of course that he was a part of the Chapman style WM for Arsenal and for England he was a left defender(out of two defenders) in the typical "pyramid" for England wasn't he? AKA. One of two "full backs" which was the name for central defenders back.

So he's basically a central defender, one of the few who would be a natural in a back three.
 
Confirmed:

MJJ - 176m - 1. Bobby Charlton 66m, 2. Bryan Robson 60M, 3. Kenny Dalglish 49m
Annah - 220m 1. George Best 95m, 2. Stanley Matthews 52m, 3. Danny Blanchflower 63m 4. B. Collins 10m
Skizzo - 230m 1. John Charles 42m, 2. Bobby Moore 52m 3. Neville Southall 15m 4. Paul Ince 26m 5. Gary Neville 30m 6. David Beckham 50m 7. Frank Lampard
Lynk - 269m(-5m)1. Roy Keane 75m 2. Pat Jennings 30m 3. Billy Meredith 30m 4. Tony Adams 35m 5.John Terry 39m 6. Barry 10m 7. Duff 10m 8. Fowler 14m 9. waddle 10m 10. V. Anderson 16m
Barney - 123m 1. Paul Scholes 67m, 2. Graeme Souness 56m
EAP - 215m 1. Paul Gascoigne 46m, 2. Harry Styles 45m, 3. Paul McGrath 45m 4. Michael Owen 16m 5.Liam Brady 49m 6. Shay Given 14m
Raees (-5m) - 218m 1. Denis Law 58m, 2. Dave Mackay 49m, 3. Alan Ball 17m 4. Billy Bremner 47m 5. Sol Campbell 37m 6.Eddie Hapgood 10m
Chesterlestreet - 211m 1. Duncan Edwards 69m, 2. Billy Wright 30m, 3. Roger Byrne 27m; 4. Johnny Haynes 30m 5.William R. Dean. 45m 6. W. Woodburn 10m
Gio - 138m 1. Jimmy Greaves 30m, 2. Tom Finney 72m 3. Ashley Cole 36m
Stobzilla - 226m 1. Jimmy Johnstone 38m; 2. Alan Hansen 40m 3. Johnny Giles 50m 4. Eddie Gray 40m 5.Ratfcliffe 15m 6. P. Reid 15m 7. D. McGrain 28m
SirAF- 201m 1. Giggs 70m, 2. Hurst 10m, 3. Lineker 25m 4. Trevor Brooking 18m 5. Steven Gerrard 33m 6.Hart 10m 7. OShea 10m 8. L.King 25m 9. L. Baines 15m 10. M.Carrick 14m
Crappy - 177m 1. Irwin 42m, 2. Rush 30m 3. Wayne Rooney 20m 4. Bale 30m 5. Rio Ferdinand 55m

Bids for 6th Round MFs + Defenders (Starts at 7 PM BST, Everyone can nominate any 2 players)

George Cohen - EAP 12m - 21:22
Jimmy Armfield - Barney - 15m - 21:26
Terry Butcher - SirAF - 16m - 21:38
Gary Pallister - SirAF - 10m - 21:44
Billy McNeill - Raees 18 m 22.07
John Greig - Barney 17m - 21:59
Wes Brown - EAP 10m - 22:20
Sandy Jardine - Gio 10m - 22.52
Davie Meiklejohn - Gio 10m - 23.27
Des Walker - Barney 27m - 00.18
Tommy Gemmell - EAP 12m 00:30
Jim Baxter - Crappy 47m - 00.32
Bobby Lennox - 20m Skizzo 03.15
Pat Crerand - Chester 20m - 11:01
Ray Wilson-MJJ-10m-6:40
Des Walker - Gio 34m - 09.00

Bids for 5th Round Goalkeepers:

Ron Springett - Stobzilla 10m - 10.00
Jack Kelsey - Chesterle 10m - 10.00
Harry Gregg - MJJ 10m - 10.00
Andy Goram - crappy 10m - 10.00
Ray Clemence - Raees 10m - 10.00
Ronnie Simpson - Barney 10m - 10.00
David Seaman - no bid
Jim Leighton - Annah 10m - 10:43

@SirAF
 
Annahnomoss said:
The issue with Hapgood was of course that he was a part of the Chapman style WM for Arsenal and for England he was a left defender(out of two defenders) in the typical "pyramid" for England wasn't he? AKA. One of two "full backs" which was the name for central defenders back.

So he's basically a central defender, one of the few who would be a natural in a back three.
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I'd say so, certainly. In the Chapman model, with the deep lying centre half, that is more or less precisely what he was.

And he was a skillful player for a defender of that era - which is what his great reputation stems from more than anything: He stood out in that regard - as a flair player of sorts in an unusual position.
 
Confirmed:

MJJ - 176m - 1. Bobby Charlton 66m, 2. Bryan Robson 60M, 3. Kenny Dalglish 49m
Annah - 220m 1. George Best 95m, 2. Stanley Matthews 52m, 3. Danny Blanchflower 63m 4. B. Collins 10m
Skizzo - 230m 1. John Charles 42m, 2. Bobby Moore 52m 3. Neville Southall 15m 4. Paul Ince 26m 5. Gary Neville 30m 6. David Beckham 50m 7. Frank Lampard
Lynk - 269m(-5m)1. Roy Keane 75m 2. Pat Jennings 30m 3. Billy Meredith 30m 4. Tony Adams 35m 5.John Terry 39m 6. Barry 10m 7. Duff 10m 8. Fowler 14m 9. waddle 10m 10. V. Anderson 16m
Barney - 123m 1. Paul Scholes 67m, 2. Graeme Souness 56m
EAP - 215m 1. Paul Gascoigne 46m, 2. Harry Styles 45m, 3. Paul McGrath 45m 4. Michael Owen 16m 5.Liam Brady 49m 6. Shay Given 14m
Raees (-5m) - 218m 1. Denis Law 58m, 2. Dave Mackay 49m, 3. Alan Ball 17m 4. Billy Bremner 47m 5. Sol Campbell 37m 6.Eddie Hapgood 10m
Chesterlestreet - 211m 1. Duncan Edwards 69m, 2. Billy Wright 30m, 3. Roger Byrne 27m; 4. Johnny Haynes 30m 5.William R. Dean. 45m 6. W. Woodburn 10m
Gio - 138m 1. Jimmy Greaves 30m, 2. Tom Finney 72m 3. Ashley Cole 36m
Stobzilla - 226m 1. Jimmy Johnstone 38m; 2. Alan Hansen 40m 3. Johnny Giles 50m 4. Eddie Gray 40m 5.Ratfcliffe 15m 6. P. Reid 15m 7. D. McGrain 28m
SirAF- 201m 1. Giggs 70m, 2. Hurst 10m, 3. Lineker 25m 4. Trevor Brooking 18m 5. Steven Gerrard 33m 6.Hart 10m 7. OShea 10m 8. L.King 25m 9. L. Baines 15m 10. M.Carrick 14m
Crappy - 177m 1. Irwin 42m, 2. Rush 30m 3. Wayne Rooney 20m 4. Bale 30m 5. Rio Ferdinand 55m

Bids for 6th Round MFs + Defenders (Starts at 7 PM BST, Everyone can nominate any 2 players)

George Cohen - EAP 12m - 21:22
Jimmy Armfield - Barney - 15m - 21:26
Terry Butcher - SirAF - 16m - 21:38
Gary Pallister - SirAF - 10m - 21:44
Billy McNeill - Raees 18 m 22.07
John Greig - Barney 17m - 21:59
Wes Brown - EAP 10m - 22:20
Davie Meiklejohn - Gio 10m - 23.27
Des Walker - Barney 27m - 00.18
Tommy Gemmell - EAP 12m 00:30
Jim Baxter - Crappy 47m - 00.32
Bobby Lennox - 20m Skizzo 03.15
Pat Crerand - Chester 20m - 11:01
Ray Wilson-MJJ-10m-6:40
Des Walker - Gio 34m - 09.00
Sandy Jardine - SirAF 15m - 11:15

Bids for 5th Round Goalkeepers:

Ron Springett - Stobzilla 10m - 10.00
Jack Kelsey - Chesterle 10m - 10.00
Harry Gregg - MJJ 10m - 10.00
Andy Goram - crappy 10m - 10.00
Ray Clemence - Raees 10m - 10.00
Ronnie Simpson - Barney 10m - 10.00
David Seaman - no bid
Jim Leighton - Annah 10m - 10:43

@Gio
 
So a back three of Hapgood Mcniell and Campbell, protected by Bremner and McKay? How does that look..
 
Raees said:
So a back three of Hapgood Mcniell and Campbell, protected by Bremner and McKay? How does that look..
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Looks very decent. Unless I end up playing you - in which case it looks shaky as feck.

FWIW I personally think Hapgood could be used as a more modern style fullback as well - a defensively solid left back, say. But then again I like the idea of using old school players in modern roles - provided the type of player is a good fit for the role.
 
Raees said:
So a back three of Hapgood Mcniell and Campbell, protected by Bremner and McKay? How does that look..
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It has its strengths and weaknesses like all. The weakness being that neither Campbell and McNeill will be a natural at defending out wide - the strength of course is that you have three great headers of the ball there and it will be difficult for the narrow teams to pry you open centrally.

Then again most teams either has a pretty clear weakness, or their completeness is their weakness. Not wrong to go either way.
 
Hmm I'll think about it - thanks for the feedback guys.
 
What are people's thoughts on playing daglish as a wing forward? I think its a natural fit but my assistant disagrees so wanted some feedback before deciding?
 
MJJ said:
What are people's thoughts on playing daglish as a wing forward? I think its a natural fit but my assistant disagrees so wanted some feedback before deciding?
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I only see him as a deep lying forward myself.. but I'm sure others who have seen him in different stages of his career will disagree.
 
Stobzilla said:
I might have an argument for "best full back" with McGrain.

But 10 mil for Hapgood certainly is a bargain.
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Aye, my select XI from this pool would have McGrain on the right and Cole on the left, but 10m for a player who won't need upgrading at any stage is a steal.
 
Gio said:
Aye, my select XI from this pool would have McGrain on the right and Cole on the left, but 10m for a player who won't need upgrading at any stage is a steal.
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Nonsense, man. It has to be O'Shea on the left, surely. And on the right.
 
Raees said:
I only see him as a deep lying forward myself.. but I'm sure others who have seen him in different stages of his career will disagree.
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DIdnt personally watch him but what I read and watched about his skill set, think he is perfectly suited for the role but wanted a second opinion :/
 
MJJ said:
DIdnt personally watch him but what I read and watched about his skill set, think he is perfectly suited for the role but wanted a second opinion :/
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Don't see it myself. For my money you're better off using Charlton as a wide forward slash winger...ish something. He played plenty out wide in his younger days.
 
MJJ said:
DIdnt personally watch him but what I read and watched about his skill set, think he is perfectly suited for the role but wanted a second opinion :/
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Definitely a deep-lying forward bud.. just found a video for you. Doesn't have the dribbling aggression to be a wideman.. too slow. He's like a modern day Rooney tbh..



Doesn't play too good in this one, based on that I'd say he's no Georgie Best.. definitely a 10. Agree with @Chesterlestreet in that B. Charlton is more adaptable and a quality left sided midfielder/winger in his physical prime.. see the 1962 match v Brazil for example or the FA cup final game of 1957?
 
MJJ said:
What are people's thoughts on playing daglish as a wing forward? I think its a natural fit but my assistant disagrees so wanted some feedback before deciding?
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You better off with Charlton in this role, imo. Though it's strange to accommodate Daglish at the expense of your best player.

Edit: well, chester said it
 
I wouldn't be keen on Dalglish any wider than inside-left. Charlton's probably a better fit there.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Don't see it myself. For my money you're better off using Charlton as a wide forward slash winger...ish something. He played plenty out wide in his younger days.
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He was brilliant as a winger as well in his early days albeit of course not being his very peak. His way of playing that AM role was clearly that of a winger as well - loads of pace - charging straight at the defense. Anybody think that Giggs in his peak could have been tasty offering a similar skill set?
 
Gio said:
I wouldn't be keen on Dalglish any wider than inside-left. Charlton's probably a better fit there.
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harms said:
You better off with Charlton in this role, imo. Though it's strange to accommodate Daglish at the expense of your best player.

Edit: well, chester said it
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Raees said:
Definitely a deep-lying forward bud.. just found a video for you. Doesn't have the dribbling aggression to be a wideman.. too slow. He's like a modern day Rooney tbh..



Doesn't play too good in this one, based on that I'd say he's no Georgie Best.. definitely a 10. Agree with @Chesterlestreet in that B. Charlton is more adaptable and a quality left sided midfielder/winger in his physical prime.. see the 1962 match v Brazil for example or the FA cup final game of 1957?
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Chesterlestreet said:
Don't see it myself. For my money you're better off using Charlton as a wide forward slash winger...ish something. He played plenty out wide in his younger days.
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I want to play charlton in his best role thats why wanted to play daglish as an inside forward with charlton having the option to go wide, through the middle,etc.
 
Play dalglish as a false 9? Charlton plays deeper than dalglish so they don't necessarily have to eat into each others space.
 
Annahnomoss said:
He was brilliant as a winger as well in his early days albeit of course not being his very peak. His way of playing that AM role was clearly that of a winger as well - loads of pace - charging straight at the defense. Anybody think that Giggs in his peak could have been tasty offering a similar skill set?
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If in a parallel universe, Giggs had moved to Inter Milan, he would have been used as a second striker.

I think he would have had a better career if he had done so, from an individual stand point. He should have replaced Cantona in that role in 1997.

Not that he or we did badly mind.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
I'm about to start researching for one. Know anyone who can play in left of a back 3?

If he's not in your plans appreciate if you could just nominate without bidding...
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I don't have any nominations and I want my own defenders but the pool is quite big.

"change in the laws of the game in June 1925, that modified the offside law."

This meant that a sort of 2-3-2-3 became a 3 man defense, where the outside defenders were in charge of he wide men. So if you look at this era you are sure to find one of quality, it is the only era I can think of where it was a normality with a back 3.
 
I am as a big part of it as anybody, but I've always thought this match thread/tactical discussion in the main thread should be banned or just not discussed.
 
Annahnomoss said:
I am as a big part of it as anybody, but I've always thought this match thread/tactical discussion in the main thread should be banned or just not discussed.
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As long as it doesn't go overboard. Limited advice is fine, as long as its in the right spirit.
 
I could've been caught out if I was playing here, plenty of unknown names out here for me. Some strange bids imo, is Ledley King really worth the 27m? I don't remember him as a great player..
I like some other buys here, Rooney(who I hate atm for his lack of captaincy abilities and for his twat behavior with the new contract thing) is a great buy for 20m, I really like the fact that O'Shea got to be here, so underrated imo, at his best he was as solid as you'd want your fullback/centerback to be, you could trust him so much and he is such a lovable lad. Viv Anderson for 16m is another steal imo.
 
I'm surprised there's not been a bit more competition for the top full-backs, given the calibre of some of the wingers in the draft.
 
Gio said:
I'm surprised there's not been a bit more competition for the top full-backs, given the calibre of some of the wingers in the draft.
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Even the best full backs here aren't just quite at that top level. Ray Wilson who's one of the very best left backs in the draft kind of showed that when he was up against Garrincha.

The lack of full back quality I think was the biggest reason for whatever tactic everybody went with in the end. The pool is very big and balanced - but that top quality is not quite there.
 
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