ALL Ronaldo's future/comments/speculation

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Hope Ronaldo stays, but...
Manchester United < Cristiano Ronaldo
Let us NEVER forget this.
 
Regarding the piece from the Guardian, I think we all know better than to believe a journalist's version of events but then again, it's not difficult to believe, is it?
 
In some ways, supporters cannot win. At least not where specific personalities are concerned. We support the exorbitant wages offered to young men who have often not been allowed to grow up in a normal environment, and 75,000 people (and many, many more outside of Old Trafford) sing their names, and generally treat them 'abnormally', in appreciation of their talents.

Is it really surprising when a small, but not insignificant, minority are affected by all of the hype and behave more like children than professional athletes?
 
My Ronaldo estimation had always been a 50/50 one. One that loves him playing for United. The other being his egocentrism that I really hate. The same reason I cheered so much for Germany (of all national teams) when they played the quarter finals. Have always hated Portugal shirt Ronaldo with passion but love United shirt Ronaldo.

This off season has tipped the scales though. Now it is 20/80. The hatred being bigger. I don't even know whether I want to see him in our nr- 7 shirt again. That shirt number has always symbolized love and commitment for the United cause. Amazing that I'd say it ever.......but, Ronnie. Get your filthy hands off "our" desert!
 
If he actually stays I'll be booing at him. Never seen anyone acting like this. Hurts to say it really, but things are what they are. 100 interviews saying that he wants to play Real and not not us really gets me boiling. Even brings a tear thinking about his debut with us. I was literally in love. Had the same feeling you have after a first date. Just imagining that we have a player of that potential and caliber. Turns out to be the biggest big time charlie since Paul Ince! :mad:
 
I hear* Van der Vaart is lined up as a replacement. It's between us and chelski.



*-read in a dodgy site
 
I don't want to comment on Ronnie until he officially declares he wants to go to Real this summer.
 
Richter said:
Why United should let this ego walk off to Madrid
Daniel Taylor The Guardian, Saturday June 21, 2008

First of all a little story to tell you what kind of man we are talking about. It is January 9, 2008, and in an upstairs room at Manchester United's training ground five elderly men in smart blazers are struggling with their emotions in front of a hushed audience. It is the club's media day building up to the 50th anniversary of the Munich air disaster and Sir Bobby Charlton's polite smile does not hide the fact he is trembling as he takes his seat. Bill Foulkes is straight-backed and dignified but only a couple of questions have been asked before the tears appear in his eyes and he reaches for a glass of water.

In an adjacent room Wayne Rooney has agreed to offer a modern-day perspective of that seminal day when 23 people, including eight members of Sir Matt Busby's team, were killed in the wreckage of the burnt-out BEA Elizabethan. It is not his specialist subject but he handles the occasion with dignity and more eloquence than some people might imagine. But then Cristiano Ronaldo comes through the double doors and the mood is broken.

He is wearing a white suit jacket and ripped jeans, looking every bit the boy-band hunk, but it is very obvious he is in a bad mood. He begins by berating Karen Shotbolt, the club's press officer, because he is waiting for Rooney and the event has over-run. He is banging his watch with his hand, flapping his arms and gesturing in the way that Portuguese footballers usually reserve for fussy referees and, at first, he is so animated it appears as if it might be a wind-up.

When he flounces back through the doors, cursing loudly, it is very obvious he is being deadly serious. Rooney is professional enough to carry on with his tribute but the attention is no longer exclusively on him. Thirty seconds later Ronaldo appears again, first rapping his forefinger against the glass in the door, then opening it by a fraction and starting to whistle at Rooney in the way that a farmer beckons his sheepdog.

It was such an unpleasant scene the journalists decided not to write about it because we had been invited to the training ground to cover a far more important subject and, when you have sat with men as noble as Charlton, Foulkes, Albert Scanlon, Harry Gregg and Kenny Morgans and seen the hurt in their eyes, it felt incongruous to veer off-track. But coming away from Carrington that day it was difficult not to wonder what had become of the pimply teenager with the braces on his teeth who had been photographed, in his first few weeks as a United player, holding hands with his mother, Dolores, as they crossed a busy Manchester street.

The answer, of course, is that Ronaldo has fallen in love with his own reflection and, as United are currently finding out, that ego is in danger of spiralling out of control. Nor, sadly, is this story a one-off. One member of staff at Old Trafford reports being shocked by his rudeness when sorting out his travel arrangements for a club trip last season. And then there was last season's Football Writers' Association's annual dinner when, with barely any notice, its player of the year demanded that space was made for five of his friends to attend and that he would like them all to be on the top table with him. He got his way, as superstars often do, but the organisers were unimpressed, to say the least.

This is not to say that Ronaldo is all bad. He won a court case against the Sun earlier this week after it was reported that he had been fined for breaking club rules by using his phone during training: a story that was obvious baloney to anyone who has followed the player's career. Ronaldo, in many ways, is the consummate professional when it comes to improving himself on the pitch. He is not a man for nightclubs or raucous evenings out among the Manchester glitterati and there is something deeply impressive about the way he has come from his humble beginnings, growing up in Madeira in a house so small the washing machine was on the roof, to become the most penetrative attacking footballer in the world.

And yet United's more loyal and thoughtful supporters would by now be entitled to think it would be better for Sir Alex Ferguson and the Glazer family to end this shabby saga and let the previously unthinkable happen. To them, his constant prevaricating about his future, his flirting with the Spanish media and his apparent disregard for Manchester United, must smack of a man who has started to think he is bigger than the club.

His sound bites have become increasingly strategic, as if he thinks we cannot see what he is doing, yet nobody will have been surprised that the sweat had barely dried on his brow after Portugal's defeat by Germany on Thursday before he had re-iterated his desire to leave Old Trafford - just as Real Madrid had requested. United insist they will not allow themselves to be bullied into a corner but, when a player is acting like this and would so obviously be resentful and unsettled if he is denied the transfer he craves, the question should be: what is the point in keeping him?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/jun/21/manchesterunited.premierleague1?gusrc=rss&feed=sport
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i stopped reading there....who ever wrote this is a pube
 
PeteReDevil said:
If he actually stays I'll be booing at him. Never seen anyone acting like this. Hurts to say it really, but things are what they are. 100 interviews saying that he wants to play Real and not not us really gets me boiling. Even brings a tear thinking about his debut with us. I was literally in love. Had the same feeling you have after a first date. Just imagining that we have a player of that potential and caliber. Turns out to be the biggest big time charlie since Paul Ince! :mad:
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at least Ince would've stayed. We were his ultimate club

Jacob said:
I don't want to comment on Ronnie until he officially declares he wants to go to Real this summer.
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don't think he'll come knocking on your door to tell you mte - it's pretty obvious
 
Richter said:
Why United should let this ego walk off to Madrid
Daniel Taylor The Guardian, Saturday June 21, 2008

First of all a little story to tell you what kind of man we are talking about. It is January 9, 2008, and in an upstairs room at Manchester United's training ground five elderly men in smart blazers are struggling with their emotions in front of a hushed audience. It is the club's media day building up to the 50th anniversary of the Munich air disaster and Sir Bobby Charlton's polite smile does not hide the fact he is trembling as he takes his seat. Bill Foulkes is straight-backed and dignified but only a couple of questions have been asked before the tears appear in his eyes and he reaches for a glass of water.

In an adjacent room Wayne Rooney has agreed to offer a modern-day perspective of that seminal day when 23 people, including eight members of Sir Matt Busby's team, were killed in the wreckage of the burnt-out BEA Elizabethan. It is not his specialist subject but he handles the occasion with dignity and more eloquence than some people might imagine. But then Cristiano Ronaldo comes through the double doors and the mood is broken.

He is wearing a white suit jacket and ripped jeans, looking every bit the boy-band hunk, but it is very obvious he is in a bad mood. He begins by berating Karen Shotbolt, the club's press officer, because he is waiting for Rooney and the event has over-run. He is banging his watch with his hand, flapping his arms and gesturing in the way that Portuguese footballers usually reserve for fussy referees and, at first, he is so animated it appears as if it might be a wind-up.

When he flounces back through the doors, cursing loudly, it is very obvious he is being deadly serious. Rooney is professional enough to carry on with his tribute but the attention is no longer exclusively on him. Thirty seconds later Ronaldo appears again, first rapping his forefinger against the glass in the door, then opening it by a fraction and starting to whistle at Rooney in the way that a farmer beckons his sheepdog.

It was such an unpleasant scene the journalists decided not to write about it because we had been invited to the training ground to cover a far more important subject and, when you have sat with men as noble as Charlton, Foulkes, Albert Scanlon, Harry Gregg and Kenny Morgans and seen the hurt in their eyes, it felt incongruous to veer off-track. But coming away from Carrington that day it was difficult not to wonder what had become of the pimply teenager with the braces on his teeth who had been photographed, in his first few weeks as a United player, holding hands with his mother, Dolores, as they crossed a busy Manchester street.

The answer, of course, is that Ronaldo has fallen in love with his own reflection and, as United are currently finding out, that ego is in danger of spiralling out of control. Nor, sadly, is this story a one-off. One member of staff at Old Trafford reports being shocked by his rudeness when sorting out his travel arrangements for a club trip last season. And then there was last season's Football Writers' Association's annual dinner when, with barely any notice, its player of the year demanded that space was made for five of his friends to attend and that he would like them all to be on the top table with him. He got his way, as superstars often do, but the organisers were unimpressed, to say the least.

This is not to say that Ronaldo is all bad. He won a court case against the Sun earlier this week after it was reported that he had been fined for breaking club rules by using his phone during training: a story that was obvious baloney to anyone who has followed the player's career. Ronaldo, in many ways, is the consummate professional when it comes to improving himself on the pitch. He is not a man for nightclubs or raucous evenings out among the Manchester glitterati and there is something deeply impressive about the way he has come from his humble beginnings, growing up in Madeira in a house so small the washing machine was on the roof, to become the most penetrative attacking footballer in the world.

And yet United's more loyal and thoughtful supporters would by now be entitled to think it would be better for Sir Alex Ferguson and the Glazer family to end this shabby saga and let the previously unthinkable happen. To them, his constant prevaricating about his future, his flirting with the Spanish media and his apparent disregard for Manchester United, must smack of a man who has started to think he is bigger than the club.

His sound bites have become increasingly strategic, as if he thinks we cannot see what he is doing, yet nobody will have been surprised that the sweat had barely dried on his brow after Portugal's defeat by Germany on Thursday before he had re-iterated his desire to leave Old Trafford - just as Real Madrid had requested. United insist they will not allow themselves to be bullied into a corner but, when a player is acting like this and would so obviously be resentful and unsettled if he is denied the transfer he craves, the question should be: what is the point in keeping him?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/jun/21/manchesterunited.premierleague1?gusrc=rss&feed=sport
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Not looking good for Ronnie. The knives are coming out.
:lol:

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For feck's sake.

GUILLEM BALAGUE is the source of these alleged quotes. It wouldn't be the first time a rumour mill journo tweaked a few transcripts.
 
M160RA said:
For feck's sake.

GUILLEM BALAGUE is the source of these alleged quotes. It wouldn't be the first time a rumour mill journo tweaked a few transcripts.
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Of course there's always a doubt but everyone seems to think it's pretty much right on. You're entitled to doubt it. You may be right. But its pretty compelling to say the least
 
Jacob said:
I don't want to comment on Ronnie until he officially declares he wants to go to Real this summer.
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Realluy, how woudl you like him to communicate his message?

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or maybe carve it into the chalk face of a hill?

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Not meaning to be harsh but it does seem pretty clear that if we opened the door for him, he'd walk right on through and be Madrid bound.
 
BahamaRed said:
Of course there's always a doubt but everyone seems to think it's pretty much right on. You're entitled to doubt it. You may be right. But its pretty compelling to say the least
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I think there's enough doubt to say that most of the reactions both in the papers and on this forum are way over the top.
 
Julian Denny said:
You have added "up his wage and keep him happy". If we are prepared to match what Madrid are prepared to pay (and that's a big if) it may keep him happy for now but we're almost certainly going to go through all this again next season. Further, he won't be happy when the fans turn on him as being purely a football mercenary who doesn't really want to play for us. If Madrid come up with the cash - sell him.
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I'm sorry, but I don't think it's about whether Ronaldo wants to play for us or not. It's about how much and how badly he wants to play for Madrid.

He's never lied about the fact that he wants to go there, so if we want to keep him, we're going to have to be prepared to make Ronaldo happier at United somehow. In this day and age, what other option is there except to throw money on their face?

Sure, if we're not prepared to do that and the fans would rather see him go, then sell him at the highest price. Either way we move on and we will keep enjoying our football. Of that I have no doubt.
 
Rossi99 said:
Hope Ronaldo stays, but...
Manchester United < Cristiano Ronaldo
Let us NEVER forget this.
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I think you've got Gerstmann's Syndrome - difficulty with math, calculation dysfunction (dyscalculia), inability to distinguish right from left, inability to calculate (acalculia)
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
Realluy, how woudl you like him to communicate his message?

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or maybe carve it into the chalk face of a hill?

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Not meaning to be harsh but it does seem pretty clear that if we opened the door for him, he'd walk right on through and be Madrid bound.
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:lol::lol:

It's not about Ronnie any more.
This is now the United chapter
 
RUnited said:
I'm sorry, but I don't think it's about whether Ronaldo wants to play for us or not. It's about how much and how badly he wants to play for Madrid.

He's never lied about the fact that he wants to go there, so if we want to keep him, we're going to have to be prepared to make Ronaldo happier at United somehow. In this day and age, what other option is there except to throw money on their face?

Sure, if we're not prepared to do that and the fans would rather see him go, then sell him at the highest price. Either way we move on and we will keep enjoying our football. Of that I have no doubt.
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give him more money now and he'll want more and play the same game this time next year. Not easy for the club. Even if we take at least $60m from Madrid, (which is a big "if") which wouldn't be bad business afterall, it still sends out the wrong kind of message to any player on the books or any club who may think they can entice our players away. I suppose in the vetting process of players in the future we could sound out their preferences and background but that'll probably mean don't bother with any Spanish or Portuguee players.
 
The reason I brought that up is because its translation coincides with a lot of what Ballague was supposed to have got him say. I don't know if they're the same interview, but it's worrying enough either way.
 
BahamaRed said:
:lol::lol:

It's not about Ronnie any more.
This is now the United chapter
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Quite so, i think we know well enough what our Ronnie woudl like to happen.

However are we to expecting Madrid to continue to make soundings and put theoretical bids in through back channels all summer, or will they show some intent and test the reaction of the board by making a an official bid in the near future?


Shotgun raisin said:
It's the interview I'm worried about more than the Guardian article.

Diva Ronaldo isn't really that unusual amongst the top sports stars in the world.
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Diva Ronaldo? I like it.

Wait a sec...


Diva Ronaldo
Diva Ronaldo
Running to a Madrid ka-ching,
Thinks he is king,
Diva Ronaldo

Not the best but this isnt' my department you know. ;)
 
Latest Guardian take...

Ronaldo ready for war with Ferguson in bid to join Real

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Cristiano Ronaldo is greeted by a media scrum on his return to Portugal after his team's Euro 2008 came to an end. Photograph: Paulo Amorim/AP

Cristiano Ronaldo has boldly declared that he will not mind upsetting Sir Alex Ferguson if it helps him to get the transfer he desperately craves from Manchester United to Real Madrid. Ronaldo plans to release a public statement this weekend in which he will detail his plans and, in an admission that will incense Ferguson, he revealed last night that Luiz Felipe Scolari, the new Chelsea manager, had advised him to leave Old Trafford.
"It is a dream, a step forward, you can call it what you want," Ronaldo replied when asked directly what it would be like to play at the Bernabéu. "For me it is a great opportunity and, as Scolari says, that train passes by only once and we have to take advantage of it."
The comments followed on from his statement immediately after Portugal had been put out of the European Championship on Thursday night, when he said the chances of him leaving United were "great". Ronaldo still has four years of his contract to run at United though Real are believed to be ready to test the European champions' resolve to keep him with a bid approaching £75m. Real are waiting for Ronaldo to make an unequivocal public declaration of his desire to join them, thus forcing United to the negotiating table, though they are thought to have reached the basis of an agreement with Ronaldo and his agent, Jorge Mendes.
Just over a month ago Real's president, Ramón Calderón, told his board the club had "done our bit" in their pursuit of Ronaldo. All Madrid could do now, Calderón said, was wait. Even with Portugal knocked out of the European Championship, the situation remains much the same as far as Madrid are concerned.
Ronaldo, who is due to have surgery on his right foot, responded honestly when he was asked how he planned to persuade United to cooperate. "It is always difficult. It is not only one person deciding, it is many people, but it can be a very good thing for everybody. Let's see in a couple of days. You will soon know what I want. You know what I want [already] and that is why I don't want to say anything else. Let's wait. I want to give more details. I am going to say what I want but things don't depend only on me, that is why we have to wait."
By that Ronaldo was making it clear United would have to budge from their previously immovable position that he is not for sale. The club issued a statement yesterday insisting this would not happen but Ronaldo is bracing himself for showdown talks with Ferguson. "I don't know what I have to say to him," he said. "I have to say what I want and what I think."
He was asked whether that would upset Ferguson and he replied: "It is my opinion. That is why I don't mind if people get upset. It is my decision. It is what I want."
Ronaldo revealed he had made up his mind "some time ago, before the Champions League final" but had kept relatively quiet because "we were competing and I didn't want to say anything because it was a very important decision". The same, he said, applied to his refusal to answer questions on the subject while Portugal were competing in Euro 2008. "I didn't want to say anything because I wanted to be focused on Portugal. But now it is finished I am going to talk. This is a personal thing, something I dream of."
It was put to him that his family dreamed of it, too. "That is true," he said. "I will do a public note and we will then see what will happen. After that I really hope my dream comes true."
Ronaldo also confirmed he had not heard from Ferguson, who is on holiday in France, during Euro 2008: "I was in a very important competition and we had nothing to say to each other."
He did, however, take advice from Scolari, Portugal's outgoing manager, who might be said to have a conflict of interest now he is taking charge of one of United's major rivals. "That is why [he told me to go]," said Ronaldo. "He took advantage of his chance, that opportunity, and other people have to take advantage of opportunities too."
Ronaldo is returning to Manchester to undergo minor surgery on a foot problem early next week. By then, his position will be clear and United could conceivably have had the first official contact from Madrid, although the Spanish champions are unlikely to get a favourable response.
"Further to press speculation about where Cristiano Ronaldo's future lies, the club has moved to reiterate its stance on the matter: United are not listening to offers," the statement from Old Trafford read. "The club reaffirm that the 23-year-old United star is not for sale."
 
If he made the decision before the final, why did he say "I'm staying" in the post-match interviews. Unless he actually is staying, but with everything else he's said it's unlikely.
 
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