ALL Ronaldo's future/comments/speculation

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crappycraperson said:
That's shit. Should Robbo have left as well for more successful clubs?

Rooney in leaving Everton made a bigger cnut of himself than Ronaldo right now. He went on with once a blue, always a blue crap and said he would stay forever. While Ronaldo has always maintained he would like to play in Spain. If he had stayed like Torres stayed at Atletico for a good amount of time, then it would have been understandable to leave for more success.
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Ronaldo's twice said 'I stay'. So if he decides to leave, it'll mean he's a cnut.
 
Spoonov said:
According to that Instant Karma bloke, Real have got a great side. Clearly a step up from the European Champions and double winners.
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They must be good if they got knocked out in the quarters by Roma, a team we tend to beat a couple of times a season. They also have two players we deemed not to be good enough for our first team. And Javier Saviola.
 
Spoonov said:
According to that Instant Karma bloke, Real have got a great side. Clearly a step up from the European Champions and double winners.
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Real have also won their league twice and Ronaldo's goals have been a huge factor in our European success. If he had played for Real, they could have arguably won the CL too.

I doubt Ronnie is looking at it as a step up or down in terms of trophy winning aspirations as both clubs are on par. Its about -
1. Playing for the club he has always wanted to play
2. Needing a new challenge
3. More money (perhaps thrice as much including commission from merchandise sales)
 
brophs said:
They must be good if they got knocked out in the quarters by Roma, a team we tend to beat a couple of times a season. They also have two players we deemed not to be good enough for our first team. And Javier Saviola.
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They're miles away from having a great side. Ronaldo would be crazy to move. We've got a chance to dominate Europe. There's no other place to be right now, other than the PL.
 
Instant Karma said:
Real have also won their league twice and Ronaldo's goals have been a huge factor in our European success. If he had played for Real, they could have won the CL too.

I doubt Ronnie is looking at it as a step up or down in terms of trophy winning aspirations as both clubs are on par. Its about -
1. Playing for the club he has always wanted to play
2. Needing a new challenge
3. More money (perhaps thrice as much including commission from merchandise sales)
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As I said, still way off from having a great side. It all comes down to money, nothing more. I doubt he was a Real fan as a kid, I think that's something the press have got hold of lately. But there isn't a bigger stage than Manchester United and the PL. He'll regret it, if he moves. Certainly at his age.
 
Instant Karma said:
Ronnie wants to leave for a less successful club ? Real are less successful than United ? If Villareal win the CL next season and we are trophyless, would they become a more successful than us ?
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Yes, Real are currenlty less succesful than United, as are every other team in Europe. Unfortunately for Ronnie, if he goes there, he won't be joining the 50s team with Di Stefano adn Puskas, or even Roberto Carlos, Ronaldo and Zidane.

Instant Karma said:
You are a fecking retard.
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Well that's very nice of you, good to see you can debate in a pleasant and adult mannor. Is it school holidays already?
 
Instant Karma said:
They have a core of fantastic players - Ruud, Sneijder, Robben, Ramos, Cannavaro, Casillas. Adding Ronaldo to that team for Robinho would make them even better.

To claim that they are way off from a great side is an exaggeration.
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Ruud and Cannavaro are hardly young. And the latter hasn't be that great for Real. As I said way off from having a great side. He'd be crazzzzeee, not unlike you.
 
A1Dan said:
Yes, Real are currenlty less succesful than United, as are every other team in Europe. Unfortunately for Ronnie, if he goes there, he won't be joining the 50s team with Di Stefano adn Puskas, or even Roberto Carlos, Ronaldo and Zidane.



Well that's very nice of you, good to see you can debate in a pleasant and adult mannor. Is it school holidays already?
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It's makes me chuckle, but these kids don;t remember the 80's and even 90's. Real were no where as a club. Not a patch on Barca. But the galactico policy changed all that. No one gave a stuff about their great teams from the 50's.
 
Spoonov said:
It's makes me chuckle, but these kids don;t remember the 80's and even 90's. Real were no where as a club. Not a patch on Barca. But the galactico policy changed all that. No one gave a stuff about their great teams from the 50's.
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Indeed - you wouldn't know they went 32 years without winning it, would you?
 
A1Dan said:
Indeed - you wouldn't know they went 32 years without winning it, would you?
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Barca had the glamour, money, the big stadium and crowds to got with it. Real were getting beat by Fergie's Aberdeen, yes little Aberdeen in CWC final in the early 80's.
 
Spoonov said:
They're miles away from having a great side. Ronaldo would be crazy to move. We've got a chance to dominate Europe. There's no other place to be right now, other than the PL.
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Indeed. Sometimes you couldn't make this stuff up. The vast majority of our players are at the right age to get better over the next few years. Can the same be said of Madrid? Not for me. Our purchases of late have been, by and large, excellent. Again, I would suggest the same can't be said of Madrid. We have the best manager in the world. Madrid don't come close. But most importantly of all, is the team spirit better at Madrid? :lol:

Ronaldo is a mug if he leaves, IMHO. He has a chance to become a special special player with us. I believe this team is on the verge of being truly great, with or without him. With them he will become another jaded performer in the Madrid circus. No former player tells his grandkids about all the money he earned, he'll talk about trophies, and the great teams and games he was involved in. If he is a genuine Madrid fan, then fair enough. But I'm yet to be convinced he held the same affection for them as many of us on here hold for United.
 
Spoonov said:
It's makes me chuckle, but these kids don;t remember the 80's and even 90's. Real were no where as a club. Not a patch on Barca. But the galactico policy changed all that. No one gave a stuff about their great teams from the 50's.
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Good post
 
Instant Karma said:
Real have also won their league twice and Ronaldo's goals have been a huge factor in our European success. If he had played for Real, they could have arguably won the CL too.

I doubt Ronnie is looking at it as a step up or down in terms of trophy winning aspirations as both clubs are on par. Its about -
1. Playing for the club he has always wanted to play
2. Needing a new challenge
3. More money (perhaps thrice as much including commission from merchandise sales)
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I agree. Simply ask yourself what Ronaldo's weighing up. The areas where Madrid offer him something better than United are;
1) Make more money is salary. Clearly Madrid will offer more than United.
2) Make more money in endorsements. Frankly I think Ronaldo will make more endorsement money globally by playing in Europe than he currently does here.
3) Be closer to his homeland and family. Seems like a minor point but I'm sure it's part of his concerns.
4) Better weather. The lad's constantly at the beach on his day off...again, it just suits him better.
5) Bang more hot European women. Since being at United he hasn't been associated in the press with a single British woman (other than prostitutes). All the alleged girlfriends have been from elsewhere in Europe.
6) Fulfil a childhood dream. His stated as much since he got here.

So what can we do to keep him beyond appeal to his sense of loyalty? I'll be surprised if he stays. A player doesn't keep hushed about his plans while at a tournament if he has no desire to leave, he simply says he's staying and that's that. Contract or no contract if he wants to go United will grudgingly accept that and move on. Doesn't mean I like it but...you can't really make a strong enough case for him to stay that refutes all the strong reasons to go.
 
Instant Karma said:
Real have also won their league twice and Ronaldo's goals have been a huge factor in our European success. If he had played for Real, they could have arguably won the CL too.

I doubt Ronnie is looking at it as a step up or down in terms of trophy winning aspirations as both clubs are on par. Its about -
1. Playing for the club he has always wanted to play
2. Needing a new challenge
3. More money (perhaps thrice as much including commission from merchandise sales)
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4. ( Not sure if anyone has really said or thought about this)
He's sick of being kicked and is worried about getting a serious injury. He says he doesn't get enough protection from Refs in the PL.- this could be a major reason for him wanting to move.

I'm not sure tactics would change much for players who play against him, where ever he plays.

Discuss......
 
Instant Karma said:
If anything its SAF and United who are taking Ronaldo for granted. He is the best player in the world but he isnt the best paid player either at the club or even among the top 5 wage earners in Europe.

There are far more dignified ways of making Ronaldo stay than announcing to the press that he will be made to "rot in the reserves". Ridiculous comment from Fergie.
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SAF didn't say that - he got spun in three different languages. I agree though that United have taken it for granted that Ron's desire to win trophies and stay in a place where he knows he can succeed, outweighs his desire for anything else (Spain, money, novelty, making his family happy, "saving" the legendary Real Madrid from slipping down the global poularity charts and the European rankings, and finding out if he can survive in a different environment, etc) and that Madrid have played the propoganda game better than United.

Madrid may have played the negotiating game better as well. I'm still of the opinion that Ron was expecting a deal from United (and didn't get it) and that he wasn't expecting the deal Madrid came up with. Did Mendes misjudge United (there's been speculation about a new contract for months) or did somebody at United offer something they couldn't deliver - either way the door was ajar when Madrid barged in.

I'm also of the opinion that if we let Ron go, it fits in with why we never considered ourselves as contenders for those other guys - maybe we just aren't that kind of club. Ronaldo Mk1 (5 years at Inter, 5 at Madrid), Zidane (5 years with Juventus, 5 with Madrid), Figo (5 years with Barca, 5 with Madrid) Kaka (5 years with Milan and signed a new contract to keep the Madrid wolf away even though he'd only signed one a year before). We nearly got Ronaldinho of course - and he's just completed the magic 5 at Barcelona.
 
Shrek said:
4. ( Not sure if anyone has really said or thought about this)
He's sick of being kicked and is worried about getting a serious injury. He says he doesn't get enough protection from Refs in the PL.- this could be a major reason for him wanting to move.

I'm not sure tactics would change much for players who play against him, where ever he plays.

Discuss......
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5. Queiroz is leaving to coach the national side
6. Fergie will retire in 2 years and the chance to move to Real may still not be an option then
7. Master plan from Scolari to move him to Madrid, play shite for a year and then sign for Chelsea for a record transfer fee :eek:
 
Spoonov said:
It's makes me chuckle, but these kids don;t remember the 80's and even 90's. Real were no where as a club. Not a patch on Barca. But the galactico policy changed all that. No one gave a stuff about their great teams from the 50's.
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You make it sounds like they didn't win shit in the 80's and 90's...

Here's Real Madrid La Liga haul:

La Liga
Winners (31 - record): 1931–32, 1932–33, 1953–54, 1954–55, 1956–57, 1957–58, 1960–61, 1961–62, 1962–63, 1963–64, 1964–65, 1966–67, 1967–68, 1968–69, 1971–72, 1974–75, 1975–76, 1977–78, 1978–79, 1979–80, 1985–86, 1986–87, 1987–88, 1988–89, 1989–90, 1994–95, 1996–97, 2000–01, 2002–03, 2006–07, 2007–08.

They won five times in a row in the late 80's under Beenhakker and Tochack.

Barcelona:

La Liga
Winners (18):1929, 1945, 1948, 1949, 1952, 1953, 1959, 1960, 1974, 1985, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1998, 1999, 2005, 2006.

I do hate Real Madrid, but they've won a lot, that can't be denied.
 
Floyd said:
You make it sounds like they didn't win shit in the 80's and 90's...

Here's Real Madrid La Liga haul:

La Liga
Winners (31 - record): 1931–32, 1932–33, 1953–54, 1954–55, 1956–57, 1957–58, 1960–61, 1961–62, 1962–63, 1963–64, 1964–65, 1966–67, 1967–68, 1968–69, 1971–72, 1974–75, 1975–76, 1977–78, 1978–79, 1979–80, 1985–86, 1986–87, 1987–88, 1988–89, 1989–90, 1994–95, 1996–97, 2000–01, 2002–03, 2006–07, 2007–08.

They won five times in a row in the late 80's under Beenhakker and Tochack.

Barcelona:

La Liga
Winners (18):1929, 1945, 1948, 1949, 1952, 1953, 1959, 1960, 1974, 1985, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1998, 1999, 2005, 2006.

I do hate Real Madrid, but they've won a lot, that can't be denied.
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Yeah but were they that good in all that time or were the rest of the league shite for large periods.....in england it's been more competitive. Oh and Nottingham forest have the same total 'European cups' as Barcelona. Funny old game.
 
To be honest, I'm fed up to the back teeth with all this speculation.

He's had his chance on numerous occasions to say that he wants to stay or go.

If he wants to go, fcuk him, let him go, well sell him for top dollar and replace him.

Personally I want to see players at United that really want to be there, purely because its United.
 
Instant Karma is comfortably the most pointless poster on this site.
 
once again, putting things into perspective a little:

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If I were growing up like a Portugal kid, I'd probably dream playing for Real Madrid too.
 
Instant Karma said:
The point is most players would move to a bigger club + lot more money unless they are playing with their local/dream club or they have been brought through the youth system.

Ronaldo is no different to Rooney or Rio or Carrick or any of the other players we buy.
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They have won more trophies than us(helps when you have the support of the Spanish govt, they won the first 5 European Cups when there was far less competition). But we're clearly the better team right now, have some great young players, more stability with manager, better supporters (less likely to boo if things go wrong)

There are several English clubs who could be considered bigger than Chelsea (eg Everton), but you won't see players choosing them over Chelsea.
 
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