ALL issues relating to the bond issue and club finances

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There is always the possibility that the deal includes a large chunk of the money up front (£30-50m). The Glazers have form in this department.
 
finneh said:
There is always the possibility that the deal includes a large chunk of the money up front (£30-50m). The Glazers have form in this department.
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Coupled with Ferguson's longevity. Glazers cannot guarantee he will be around for 5-8 years, whether at Utd or on planet Earth. Sponsors aren't stupid and will bid lower as a result. Ferguson = Man Utd.
 
Dumbstar said:
Coupled with Ferguson's longevity. Glazers cannot guarantee he will be around for 5-8 years, whether at Utd or on planet Earth. Sponsors aren't stupid and will bid lower as a result. Ferguson = Man Utd.
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:lol:

Somebody forgot to sent a memo to Chevrolet.
 
Dumbstar said:
Coupled with Ferguson's longevity. Glazers cannot guarantee he will be around for 5-8 years, whether at Utd or on planet Earth. Sponsors aren't stupid and will bid lower as a result. Ferguson = Man Utd.
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I disagree. Liverpool have proven that success on the field isn't even close to the be all and end all when it comes to commercial sponsorships. It's the following of the club that is more important (Liverpool have the second highest commercial revenue in the league, despite for the last few years being the 8th best team).

Regardless of Ferguson I expect us to be in line with Madrid and Barcelona (strength of the pound permitting) for the foreseeable future.
 
If the Sponsors want to tie in on the pitch success into their deals, they will do it like Emirates have done at Arsenal.

Success on the pitch has a significant impact, but it's not the be all and end all as Finneh said above.
 
Brightonian said:
Well then I highly doubt it. Took me a second to even get what you meant, and I have degree level Latin.

Only joshing though, I always appreciate that sort of effort. :D
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If you were clever enough you could get a whole collegiate sketch out of it...

Quo vadis?
Qatar.
Qantas?
I told you, Qatar.

Hmm, I appear not to be clever enough.
 
Plechazunga said:
If you were clever enough you could get a whole collegiate sketch out of it...

Quo vadis?
Qatar.
Qantas?
I told you, Qatar.

Hmm, I appear not to be clever enough.
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Perhaps too clever.

peterstorey said:
I've only got an O-level and I don't get it.
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Quattuor is four. It looks and sounds vaguely like Qatar. :nervous:

Anyway, we're talking about Latin on a football forum. This is not good.
 
finneh said:
I disagree. Liverpool have proven that success on the field isn't even close to the be all and end all when it comes to commercial sponsorships. It's the following of the club that is more important (Liverpool have the second highest commercial revenue in the league, despite for the last few years being the 8th best team).

Regardless of Ferguson I expect us to be in line with Madrid and Barcelona (strength of the pound permitting) for the foreseeable future.
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Fair points, specially about us. I guess we don't have any sizeable debts (manageable or otherwise), neither do state sponsored Barca/Real.

And may I wish Chevrolet good luck in all their business dealings. They obviously know what they're doing. :)
 
Brightonian said:
Perhaps too clever.

Quattuor is four. It looks and sounds vaguely like Qatar. :nervous:

Anyway, we're talking about Latin on a football forum. This is not good.
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You could also have used the Irish "Ceathar" (or equiavalents in French or Spanish or Sanksrit...). All cognates for "4" in Indo-European languages.
 
charleysurf said:
You could also have used the Irish "Ceathar" (or equiavalents in French or Spanish or Sanksrit...). All cognates for "4" in Indo-European languages.
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Well once you get to Sanskrit it's a mile off Qatar, and the Irish is no better... well, in the look of the word, if not the sound.

The original PIE was probably quite close though, I think Latin is the most conservative as far as '4' is concerned.
 
Do you ever listen to yourself, Cocknose, and just think 'oh for feck's sake, I'm coming over all Feeding Seagulls again?'
 
You're right, it is.

Don't start asterisks as bullet points like Glaston or I might have to kill you until you die from it.
 
Plechazunga said:
Well once you get to Sanskrit it's a mile off Qatar, and the Irish is no better... well, in the look of the word, if not the sound.

The original PIE was probably quite close though, I think Latin is the most conservative as far as '4' is concerned.
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Well, there's no letter "Q" in Irish. But the sound is quite similar.
 
charleysurf said:
Well, there's no letter "Q" in Irish.
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Orly?

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Who needs Latin jokes when you've got Irish people queuing under a To Let sign...
 
john reynolds ‏@johnreynolds10

Man Utd's new training kit sponsor is either Qatar Airways or AON- announcement next week
 
So, how many of you have bought any shares? I just bought 3 shares for a laugh.. Now I'll feel even more entitled to have a go at the players! :lol:
 
SirAF said:
So, how many of you have bought any shares? I just bought 3 shares for a laugh.. Now I'll feel even more entitled to have a go at the players! :lol:
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:lol:
Get yourself in the Valencia thread and let loose!
 
Didn't really feel this deserves its own thread and seeing as it's mainly about Glazers and money I figured this would be the best place for it.

Anyway, here's one of the most factually wrong pieces of "journalism" you'll probably ever see:
http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-13/manchester-united-s-yank-hating-fans.html
Manchester United’s Yank-Hating Fans
By Jonathan Mahler


Things are going pretty well for Manchester United right now. Sure, the team was knocked out of the UEFA Champions League last week, but it has a comfortable lead in England’s Premier League heading into this season’s final weeks. The club is also still in the running for the third leg of English soccer’s triple crown, the FA Cup.

In the hypercompetitive world of European soccer, winning one title is huge. Winning two is almost unheard of.

Not that any of this is going to placate United’s English fans. They insist that Man Utd’s majority owners, the Glazer family of Palm Beach, Florida, are greedy Yankees -- unfit custodians for their storied club, which was founded by a British railway company in 1878.

Here’s a thought: Instead of complaining about their team’s ownership, maybe United’s English fans should start enjoying their team’s success.

Simply by buying a majority stake in Man Utd in 2005, the Glazers took a big step toward securing the club’s uncertain future. At the time, United’s Irish owners were on the brink of firing its longtime manager, Sir Alex Ferguson, over a dispute about the ownership of a prizewinning horse.

What sort of thanks did the Glazers get for keeping Ferguson, not to mention loading the club with high-priced talent from around the world? They have been called financial parasites, vandals and strip-miners. More specifically, United’s supporters accuse the Glazers of taking on too much debt and pocketing too much of the team’s profits.

That Man Utd’s supporters are focused on their club’s balance sheet might sound strange to U.S. sports fans. But it’s surprisingly easy to leverage yourself into bankruptcy in the Premier League, which doesn’t cap salaries. Your most talented players are always in danger of being lured to Spain, Germany, Italy or other countries with deep-pocketed soccer clubs.

Is Manchester United courting bankruptcy? No. It isn’t Leeds United, a three-time English champion that went bust and was relegated to the third tier of English soccer. At a market capitalization of about $2.7 billion, Man Utd is the world’s most valuable sports franchise by a comfortable margin, and it’s only just beginning to see the effects of its push into international markets, including Asia. Its lucrative sponsorship deals -- it will get $559 million over seven years to put “Chevrolet” on its jerseys starting in 2014 -- and global TV revenues make the Dallas Cowboys look like a cute regional business.

It’s true that the Glazers, who also own the National Football League’s Tampa Bay Buccaneers, borrowed some $800 million from hedge funds to buy the club. And the club is still carrying a staggering amount of debt. But in the context of its even more staggering growth, there’s no reason to engage in what Paul Krugman might call “fiscal fear-mongering.”

United’s finances are actually improving, which is reflected in its stock performance: The Glazers sold 10 percent of the company to the public in August at $14 per share, and its current share price is $16 and change -- a pretty good return over seven months.

Then there’s the team’s on-the-field performance. Since the Glazers bought Man Utd, it has earned four Premier League titles and reached the finals of the Champions League three times, winning it once. These are remarkable results, especially in a sport in which the better team often loses.

There are also intriguing rumors circulating about United’s future. After losing to Real Madrid, the world’s second-biggest sports franchise, following a controversial red card in last week’s Champions League match, Madrid’s manager, Jose Mourinho, told reporters Man Utd was the better team -- fueling speculation that he might be in line to succeed the 71-year-old Ferguson as early as next year. Reading even further between the lines, Cristiano Ronaldo, who used to play for Man Utd, conspicuously opted not to celebrate after scoring for Real Madrid during the game. A sign that he may follow Mourinho to United?

As for the Glazers, they’re doing pretty well, too, helping themselves to half of the $233 million that Man Utd raised in last summer’s IPO. (The rest was used to reduce the club’s debt.) Does this make them rapacious Yankees? Maybe. But wouldn’t a better question be: As long as the team keeps winning, why should fans care what its owners do with the club’s money?

If Man Utd’s supporters are really so unhappy, they can do what any dissatisfied customer does: Stop buying the product. For United’s hometown supporters, that’s an admittedly complicated proposition. They could stop showing up at Old Trafford, but even considering their antipathy toward the Glazers, that seems masochistic. They could boycott Red Devil merchandise, but with every jersey the club sells in China, it grows further insulated from the wrath of its English fans.

Of course, those jerseys only sell if the club is successful. And isn’t that what every fan wants?
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Twitter handle is @jonathanmahler - already quite a few tweets going his way, so I'd assume that he'll answer some of them eventually.
 
senorgregster said:
oneshare.com

if you want the certificate, other places too.

I imagine any trading regular site as well?
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SirAF said:
http://www.giveashare.com/stock.asp?buy=manchester-united-stock

Here is another one.
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Why is it that oneshare is so much cheaper than giveashare.com or the google alternative?

It seems to cost around $40 for 1 share and a certificate, if you wanted to increase that, say by 4 shares, what would the price be? As I assume a lot of it is in the certificate...

(So say, cert is $20 and the share is a $20, so for 4 shares and cert it would be $100) rather than 1 share and cert for $40?

Anyone know enough?
 
No idea mate, but if you want more than one share then I'd just go with a stock broker. However, I think those sites are your only option if you want the actual certificate to hang on your wall as companies not normally do those anymore (from what I gather).

I paid about 50 USD for three shares (bought at 16,67).
 
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