Alisson Becker | Budding Target Man

B20 said:
Don't think that was anywhere stated or even implied
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Well it implies that making himself big was what made him a great goalkeeper.

Closing space and making yourself big is not great goalkeeping. It's literally the first thing you tell a child to do when they want a go in goal.

You guys can have a good goalkeeper without wetting yourselves every time they manage to do something straightforward. I know expectations might be low after Karius and Mignolet, but come the feck on.
 
Karius was also a great goal keeper once. But yeah, of course people are going to talk about this.

Definitely not a great save though.
 
Sort of understand how Liverpool feel, I still feel unreal after Auba/Laca score a goal after seeing years of Giroud and Welbeck mucking about in front of goal.
 
JohnSuarez said:
Proving himself to be the best keeper in the world with every game.
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Please go away and provoke people somewhere else. I can accept delusion of Liverpool fans but this is not that. Nobody can't be deluded that much to put him above or at the same page as De gea.
If i go on rawk and say that Rashford is better than Salah, i would be kicked out that second
 
:lol: This thread.

Yeah, he's a good keeper.
Yeah, we probably overrate him a tad as we've not had a good keeper for ten years.
Yeah, that save yesterday was something you'd expect most PL keepers to make, never mind CL keepers.
But yeah, he's also a pretty top keeper from what we've seen so far.

It was a huge moment, but it wasn't an absolute moment of class or ability. It was fundamentals. Goalkeeping 101. I'd actually back Mignolet to have saved it in a similar situation, never mind Leno/Ederson/DDG/Kepa/Lloris.

(Still buzzing, mind... That moment scared the shite out of me :D)
 
Tommy said:
:lol: This thread.

Yeah, he's a good keeper.
Yeah, we probably overrate him a tad as we've not had a good keeper for ten years.
Yeah, that save yesterday was something you'd expect most PL keepers to make, never mind CL keepers.

It was a huge moment, but it wasn't an absolute moment of class or ability. It was fundamentals. Goalkeeping 101. I'd actually back Mignolet to have saved it in a similar situation, never mind Leno/Ederson/DDG/Kepa/Lloris.

(Still buzzing, mind... That moment scared the shite out of me :D)
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I would have zero confidence in Mignolet or Karius making that save yesterday. The save in itself wasn't anything special, mind, and it was a poor finish from Milik, but that doesn't mean it didn't show Alisson's class. His awareness, positioning and anticipation is what I'm surprised about, all top notch and it means that a lot of stuff looks basic which could potentially have ended up a lot more dangerous with a different keeper in goal. There was a moment yesterday as well where someone wanted to put a Napoli striker through but Alisson was literally between the penalty spot and the edge of the area which meant he was able to easily sniff out the danger. Nothing special but it makes it so much easier for our defence.

His distribution going forward is also class, which helps us a lot in countering like we do. Being a goalkeeper is a lot more than just saving shots right now - we had a supposedly "great shot-stopper" in Mignolet who was poor or below average at almost every other aspect of the game. Alisson hasn't had a defining moment yet where he had to make a world save like De Gea has done a lot for United for example but still I'm mightily imprissed with him, in his first season in the PL nevertheless.
 
Literally makes 1 average save - "He's the best in the world, la"

Liverpool fans never cease to amaze me on how fast they jump the gun.
 
RobinLFC said:
I would have zero confidence in Mignolet or Karius making that save yesterday. The save in itself wasn't anything special, mind, and it was a poor finish from Milik, but that doesn't mean it didn't show Alisson's class. His awareness, positioning and anticipation is what I'm surprised about, all top notch and it means that a lot of stuff looks basic which could potentially have ended up a lot more dangerous with a different keeper in goal. There was a moment yesterday as well where someone wanted to put a Napoli striker through but Alisson was literally between the penalty spot and the edge of the area which meant he was able to easily sniff out the danger. Nothing special but it makes it so much easier for our defence.

His distribution going forward is also class, which helps us a lot in countering like we do. Being a goalkeeper is a lot more than just saving shots right now - we had a supposedly "great shot-stopper" in Mignolet who was poor or below average at almost every other aspect of the game. Alisson hasn't had a defining moment yet where he had to make a world save like De Gea has done a lot for United for example but still I'm mightily imprissed with him, in his first season in the PL nevertheless.
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I don't really disagree with anything you've said apart from the Mignolet not saving it point. Yeah he's quality, makes it easier for players around him, gets play started well, & I guess it'd be fair to give him credit for keeping a clear head given how big that one moment was... But at the same time, it was a pretty routine save that any of the top 6 teams keepers would've stopped.
 
Him and Ter Stegen have been the best around for about 18 months now. Hopefully it's only a freak spell but it's beginning to look like he's a freak goalkeeper.
 
Mick321 said:
Him and Ter Stegen have been the best around for about 18 months now. Hopefully it's only a freak spell but it's beginning to look like he's a freak goalkeeper.
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No they haven't.
 
SwedishFish said:
Literally makes 1 average save - "He's the best in the world, la"

Liverpool fans never cease to amaze me on how fast they jump the gun.
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Well it’s not just one save is it

You’ve got last nights point blank save

Point blank save against Everton

One on one with Eden Hazard

To name just a few this season, he’s having a really good season
 
It wasn't an incredible save or anything but a key for that save was positioning, he positioned himself good enough to close Milik's angle in time.
 
Ban said:
It wasn't an incredible save or anything but a key for that save was positioning, he positioned himself good enough to close Milik's angle in time.
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Yep. The save was more vital/important, as opposed to "jaw dropping/magical", if that makes sense.

It's one of those where I think the striker fluffed his lines more than the keeper doing something outstanding. Still though, kudos.
 
Alex99 said:
He's clearly exaggerating but the point he's making is that you've all shat the bed because your keeper did something he was supposed to.
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Oh come on, if De Gea makes a 1vs1 save in the dying moments of a game where you can't concede and you would go through after that, you'd all be praising him (rightfully) as well, doesn't matter whether he's supposed to save that or not.

If a striker scores a last-minute winner, you celebrate it instead of going "oh well he was supposed to finish that wasn't he".
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Please go away and provoke people somewhere else. I can accept delusion of Liverpool fans but this is not that. Nobody can't be deluded that much to put him above or at the same page as De gea.
If i go on rawk and say that Rashford is better than Salah, i would be kicked out that second
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You have a Juventus fan making the claim up thread.
 
RobinLFC said:
Oh come on, if De Gea makes a 1vs1 save in the dying moments of a game where you can't concede and you would go through after that, you'd all be praising him (rightfully) as well, doesn't matter whether he's supposed to save that or not.

If a striker scores a last-minute winner, you celebrate it instead of going "oh well he was supposed to finish that wasn't he".
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I've got no issue with celebrating the importance of the save, but all this shit trying to make out it was somehow a tremendous piece of goalkeeping is laughable. All this talk about his anticipation and positioning making it look really simple, and the psychoanalysis of Milik as he took the shot is bizarre. It was a routine bit of keeping where he did what he was supposed to and the striker fortunately fluffed his lines and hit it straight at him.

You've got a good keeper who's a vast improvement on the two clowns you had in the position before, but you don't need to go bonkers every time he isn't shit.
 
Ban said:
It wasn't an incredible save or anything but a key for that save was positioning, he positioned himself good enough to close Milik's angle in time.
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Yep. Also helps that he's a proper unit.
 
Alex99 said:
I've got no issue with celebrating the importance of the save, but all this shit trying to make out it was somehow a tremendous piece of goalkeeping is laughable. All this talk about his anticipation and positioning making it look really simple, and the psychoanalysis of Milik as he took the shot is bizarre. It was a routine bit of keeping where he did what he was supposed to and the striker fortunately fluffed his lines and hit it straight at him.

You've got a good keeper who's a vast improvement on the two clowns you had in the position before, but you don't need to go bonkers every time he isn't shit.
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You make it sound as if he saved a routine shot against Burnley in the 5th minute rather than making a vital save to get us to the KO stages of the fecking CL.

You must be fun to watch a football game with.
 
RobinLFC said:
You make it sound as if he saved a routine shot against Burnley in the 5th minute rather than making a vital save to get us to the KO stages of the fecking CL.

You must be fun to watch a football game with.
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It's cos you're used to the crap served up by your keepers up to now. Good saves are not the norm.

Whereas we are used to DDG doing that every game.

We on the other hand aren't used to great attacking play with fast transitions like Liverpool fans are, so when we see that from our players, we lose our shit over it just the same.

That is all.
 
When you see it in real time the crowd reaction, the commentators reaction you do think he’s just pulled off some miraculous miracle but when you see it slowed down it’s pretty tame and more poor finishing but still incredibly important save at that moment in time and he has to be in the right position and make himself big.

With the amount of chances Mane felt like wasting during the game it was even more important as the game should have been over and done with.

I have been impressed with Becker, looks a solid buy and a very good keeper which must be a relief given the pool fans recent issues there.
 
I think what this comes down to is Liverpool’s fans gloating about a keeper who’s having a massive season so far, on a Man Utd forum

Of course (generally) most Utd fans aren’t going to join in, understably so

To United fans last nights save was just a routine save that annoyingly for them Allowed Liverpool to continue in the CL

To us Liverpool’s fans, last nights save was heroic, doesn’t matter wether it was the save of the season or just a routine save, one you’d expect from a top keeper, what it does is pretty much just epitomise the season he’s having with us

Which is brilliant
 
RobinLFC said:
You make it sound as if he saved a routine shot against Burnley in the 5th minute rather than making a vital save to get us to the KO stages of the fecking CL.

You must be fun to watch a football game with.
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It was a routine shot, it just happened to be in the 92nd minute of your final CL group game and not conceding meant you progressed. By all means go fecking wild and celebrate the moment. I'd have been excited had it been United in that situation, but I certainly wouldn't have gone online and started talking about how great the save was, making up stuff about Milik's mental state as he struck the ball, or severely playing up the importance of not running away from the ball. Ultimately, it was far more down to Milik's lack of composure than it was to Alisson's goalkeeping ability, and that's the case with 99% of missed one on ones.

I don't know what else you want me to say. It was an important save, I've acknowledged that. As a moment in your season, it could potentially be huge. All of this is fair game. The actual save itself though was very routine, but you're so used to seeing Karius drop it in his own net or Mignolet flap at crosses that you've convinced yourselves that it was something special.
 
He's better than Reina for me. Maybe less spectacular but also less likely to make a complete twat of himself.
 
Renegade said:
You’d think some United fans have never seen the Great Dane play for us. Making yourself big and narrowing space is great goalkeeping.

It doesn’t make you less of United fan acknowledging good Liverpool players. It’s the same with united fans trying to convince themselves Virgil isn’t a top class defender or Salah isn’t one of the best forwards in the league/world.
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Fantastic post and agree 100%.

Being a liverpool fan i detest utd just as much as utd fans detest us but you cant let your feels cloud your judgements.
 
SwedishFish said:
Literally makes 1 average save - "He's the best in the world, la"

Liverpool fans never cease to amaze me on how fast they jump the gun.
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I have watched every Liverpool game and Alisson has been superb. Not only because of his saves but also his distribution. Like Ederson, he's a sweeper-keeper.
Klopp has been after him for several months but Roma wouldn't budge on their 90million valuation until the summer.
 
Skills said:
He's better than Reina for me. Maybe less spectacular but also less likely to make a complete twat of himself.
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I never thought Reina was that good. He was certainly better than Mignolet and Karius, but he also benefited greatly from a far more organised defensive unit in front of him, and looked amazing having replaced Dudek. Alisson is easily a better keeper than Reina, although I'm not sure he's any less likely to make a twat of himself given his propensity to dwell on the ball a bit too long.
 
Alisson is very good goalie but compare him with De Gea it’s just nonsense. Almost every match the last 5 years De Gea makes tons of saves like Alisson did. I can put Alisson in the same bracket with Szczesny, Ederson, Lloris and Pickford.
 
Why do Liverpool fans like to overrate everything? Last season Salah was the best player in the world. then he won the best goal of the year because of their fans, then they have the best trio in the attack and every media praised them like it was a replica of the MSN trio; then they have the best manager in the world, the best club,.... and today it's they have the best goalkeeper because he a routine save. This level of delusion is unbelievable.
 
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