Still surprised he rejected us.
He was begging to join us in 09 and 10.
He was begging to join us in 09 and 10.
Alexis Sanchez
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The thing about Alexis is he relies on a tremendous work ethic. He'll still have that next year. But if he runs down his contract to a free will he have it at the age of 28?
I don't see Juventus outbidding Arsenal in wages, which is what it boils down to. Juve were in for Alexis when we bought him, they couldn't compete on wages/fee. Bayern won't be offering a 200k plus deal either.
If Alexis agent is getting offers of 250k or 300k from United, City, Real or PSG I suppose I could see them pushing for that presuming there's no loyalty in football. I don't see the modern Chelsea outbidding us on wages either.
I don't see Juventus outbidding Arsenal in wages, which is what it boils down to. Juve were in for Alexis when we bought him, they couldn't compete on wages/fee. Bayern won't be offering a 200k plus deal either.
If Alexis agent is getting offers of 250k or 300k from United, City, Real or PSG I suppose I could see them pushing for that presuming there's no loyalty in football. I don't see the modern Chelsea outbidding us on wages either.
That's very true. If they can manage to get him to run down the contract entirely, they could get him I guess, in the way they managed to get Khedira. Though as you say, he'll probably try and get an even better deal from one of the other richer clubs.
And on his workrate, I think Alexis might be too 'honest' a player in that he seems to want to play all the fecking time. He played for Chile just the last night or so against Uruguay, despite the injury concern; once again running his bollocks off (or so I assume). So much gametime can probably hurt his body, but he really does seem like a machine. Maybe he can withstand it until his early 30s?
Even with a run down contract, it'll be his last big deal. Any top English club will be outbidding Juve on wages.
Alexis does have immense stamina and work ethic. Like you say he could damage himself long term. Or he could maybe be much fitter than most 30 years olds. The problem with Alexis though is while he is has great technique, first touch and is a great dribbler that he is not an intelligent player. His decision making can be poor and frustrating.
In my opinion he's too patchy to be in the world class bracket but he's definitely in the next bracket and a top player in England.
If it were him or Ozil I'd prefer to take the latter but Alexis is fine
If it were him or Ozil I'd prefer to take the latter but Alexis is fine
We need Alexis more than we need Ozil/another 10, IMO.In my opinion he's too patchy to be in the world class bracket but he's definitely in the next bracket and a top player in England.
If it were him or Ozil I'd prefer to take the latter but Alexis is fine
I don't think he preferred Arsenal for CL football, I think he preferred them for their playing style, having the team built to his strengths and London.
The first two are excellent reasons, the last one understandable. I don't hold it against him, just don't see why he would be particularly enamoured with the notion of playing for us.
I'm being realistic about fit rather than passing judgement on Alexis Sanchez the player being good enough, of course he is.
In my opinion he's too patchy to be in the world class bracket but he's definitely in the next bracket and a top player in England.
If it were him or Ozil I'd prefer to take the latter but Alexis is fine
He is patchy because he always tries to make a difference in the last third. He is exactly the kind of proactive player that United lacks. He will constantly look to play between the lines. Neymar plays like that as well. He also is patchy in the sense that he can take the best decision now and 10 seconds later he messes up a pass, or dives or just gives away the ball. In the end it pays off because in those moments of inspiration games are won.
I think his best season for Arsenal was 14/15. He's doing well this season but he was more menacing in 14/15.
This is a guy that does push-ups in between drills at training.
You wanna bring up vs records? 3 wins in the last 14. Lost last season to a LvG team that had a right flank of Lingard and Varela, a left flank of Depay and Rojo, Carrick and Blind together in CB and a kid up top playing his first ever match.
Not sure what United has to do with this? Last season it was one all between Arsenal and United.
I'd have him at Chelsea in a heartbeat. Him and Hazard running at defenses..
Embarrassing.
He will sign a new deal with Arsenal, although I cant help but feel he would be perfect within Simeone's setup at Athletico Madrid. (After we somehow snatch griezmann in the summer)
I'm just sticking up for my Chelsea buddy whom I in no way misinterpreted as a United fan and I definitely thought it was always about Chelsea.
Oh, well that is understandable then. Glad we got to the bottom of it
How is that embarrassing exactly? Ibrahimovic is one of the worlds best. Any manager will tell you that. Sanchez is Overrated. Good player but never world class.
Was a bit shit today.
Quite decent for a one legged man.
Bar that turn where he sold Valencia and someone else, he wasn't that impressive today, no. I'd still have him here in a heartbeat as he's one of my favourite players in the league.
Started well, but faded as the game went on - particularly after his booking.
Not many wingers outside of Barce/Real have matched Alexis's end product in the last years. Hazard hasn't, Robben hasn't, probably only Reus is up there with him for goals/assists.
Ibrahimovic, Alexis and Fabregas are all elite players who were considered 'not good enough for Barce'. On that basis you can argue any aren't world class and much the same consider all world class. The case against Ibrahimovic is he's been doing it for the most part in significantly weaker leagues. At the moment many United fans aren't considering Ibrah good enough, whether that's right or wrong is another debate.
Certainly didn't look fit today.
Except Zlatan's prime was PSG.
In his 30s? And now he's come to a much better league he's suddenly past it? I think it's more a case of him looking incredible in a world class team in a pretty poor league. Gervinho and Giroud lit up Ligue 1 to in worse teams than PSG.
Is he too polite to turn us down?
Exactly the player we need.
Exactly the player we need.
The weaker league stuff is a stupid argument. How can you say the italian league between 2004-5 and 2008-9 was weaker than the current premier league?(it was weaker than the PL from 2006-7 to 2010-11, mind. But so is the current PL). I mean, what proof have got of that?
Btw? zlatan's considered the 3rd best player of the last decade by literally everyone outside of england. And no disrespect, but in my experience you brits aren't exactly the sharpest football minds around.....
Btw? zlatan's considered the 3rd best player of the last decade by literally everyone outside of england. And no disrespect, but in my experience you brits aren't exactly the sharpest football minds around.....
Absolutely top draw and only second up front to the lad at city. You could see he was fit yesterday but even then, everything good from them, he's was involved in.
No he isn't by anyone with a clue, is he better than Xavi, Iniesta, Henry, Bale, Pirlo, Neymar, Suarez, RVP, Fabregas, Etoo, David Villa, Ozil, Alonso, Gerrard, Lampard no he isn't. He's a distance behind a good few of them.
As for the Italian league, the money generally went to the PL in the 00s. Since then the PL has hovered up all the top talent and comparatively Serie A clubs have become less and less competitive. Since this has happened top Serie A players have come to the PL and failed, see Veron, Crespo, Schevchenko and more recently Lamela and so far Pogba playing worse here. Now in that time Milan and Juve have been top teams but they've never had the number of teams that the PL has in the CL semis. The depth in Serie A isn't nearly as strong if we compare the 4th/5th/6th best teams. It's essentially become a 1 team league over the last 5 years. The standard of homegrown Italian players has also dropped massively since the 90s compared to Germany and Spain.
Sorry but that's a laughable list. Bale and Fabregas don't even deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Zlatan.
Was the only Arsenal player up for it. He was the sole reason why they had us pinned back for the first 15 minutes or so.
Except they do, Fabregas was one of the most creative players in the world for a decade, neither flopped in La Liga as bad as Zlatan the king of the retirement league either.
They really don't. Using the one bad spell in Zlatan's career as justification for your point is total bullshit as well. Fabregas wasn't exactly stellar for Barca. He doesn't deserve to be named in the same sentence as most of those other players.
Also including Gerrard and Lampard but not Scholes? Riiiiight
Pay all the monies, if he would come.
Arsenal need to be very careful about the length of contract they offer, as one can bet the wages are going to be around 200k. In Sanchez they have a player who has the right temperament and desire to win the PL, but does he have the legs. He isn't technically great, and he is overly reliant on pace and stamina and physical attributes. All these attributes are going to fall as he ages and they may well have a Rooney type situation over there if they offer him a long contract
What's his obsession with putting his thighs on display? Should play in a mini skirt if he's so into it
But that was Ibrah's biggest test and he failed. His success has all come to fruit in easier leagues. Zlatan isn't a worse player than last year, he's just got less time and space and is up against quicker defenders.
It wasn't a definitive list and the only reason I didn't include him is that Scholes hasn't been prime in the last decade. Still a better midfield general in that time than either of those granted. Both are more highlights players but they do provide goals and assists from midfield that few including Scholes match
Anyway comparing strikers to midfielders is tricky. Compare him to other forwards like Suarez, Etoo, RVP, Neymar, Villa is more realisistic. Ibrah has never been at the level Suarez has been at for the last 3-4 years or near the level of a prime Henry or Neymar, not in the same stratasphere. He wasn't as good for Barce as Villa and Etoo was. I'd take the RVP who was pretty much on a goal per game for 2 1/2 years in the PL over him to. I'd consider all world class strikers, but to pretend Ibrah is ahead of those players is a joke, he isn't, he's behind a few of them.
Lots of south American players like to return to their continent for their retirement years though so doubt that would be much of a problem