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can i ask are all the comments based on any credible evidence we are interested in Sanchez.....

This along with RVP would be our best signing since....hmmmm.....Tevez? Vidic? Evra?
 
buckooo1978 said:
can i ask are all the comments based on any credible evidence we are interested in Sanchez.....

This along with RVP would be our best signing since....hmmmm.....Tevez? Vidic? Evra?
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A lot of speculation but with United that generally means f*ck all is happening but we can dream I guess.

As for previous posts I rate Reus and Sanchez equally myself although since Kagawa and then Gotze left Dortmund his game last season was sensational at times.
Saying that Sanchez was not too shabby considering he is not a guaranteed starter at Barca whereas Reus is the main man along with Lewandowski at Dortmund.

If we could sign either I'd be in muppet heaven!
 
NK86 said:
An Arsenal supporting mate of mine would not stop about how Hazard was always a done deal.
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What could have been.

(See pictures of Zlatan holding up and Arsenal Jersey with his name on it, and the Yaya Toure passport-gate)
 
cesc's_mullet said:
What could have been.

(See pictures of Zlatan holding up and Arsenal Jersey with his name on it, and the Yaya Toure passport-gate)
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I am sure every club has players like that who they could have got.
 
Manucho the boss said:
The liverpool board stopped Houllier signing Ronaldo too, thought it was too big an investment in a young player. :)
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Yes I remember Liverpool backing out. We made the same offer as Arsenal but then also offered Ronaldo 1 million extra as a joining bonus which he used for his family or something. I think that is what clinched it for us.
 
Brwned said:
At international level Sánchez has been much better and his last season at Udinese was every bit as good as Reus' last season at Monchengladbach. The only difference is Reus made the move to the right club whereas Sánchez made the more ambitious - and in retrospect more foolish - decision to move to the best team in the world. We have no idea how Reus would play in that Barcelona side but we know that he wouldn't be playing with the same freedom and authority, because as good as he is he would have to be a supporting player for Messi. You can't overlook what that does to a player's confidence and ability to express themselves. If you watch his most recent game for Chile you can see the difference, particularly in his passing:

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Cant comment about the internationals as I havent really followed them.

When it comes to Sanchez at Barca, I totally agree that the system revolving around Messi doesnt give him the freedom to be the player he can be as it holds him back. And Yes, coming here could unleash him and give us the Sanchez we thought Barca were getting when he moved from Udinese. But, the thing remains that Reus has been performing at a higher level the past few years, circumstances helping him ofcourse. That was my point.

As things stand regarding transfers, I dont see Reus going anywhere this season so if Sanchez is in the market, we'd be foolish not to be interested.
 
Varun said:
Cant comment about the internationals as I havent really followed them.

When it comes to Sanchez at Barca, I totally agree that the system revolving around Messi doesnt give him the freedom to be the player he can be as it holds him back. And Yes, coming here could unleash him and give us the Sanchez we thought Barca were getting when he moved from Udinese. But, the thing remains that Reus has been performing at a higher level the past few years, circumstances helping him ofcourse. That was my point.

As things stand regarding transfers, I dont see Reus going anywhere this season so if Sanchez is in the market, we'd be foolish not to be interested.
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I mostly agree with what you're saying I just think it's an exaggeration to say Reus is much better. He probably is better on the whole but I don't think there's a clear difference between the two. And I don't think Reus was that much better than Sánchez this year. WhoScored has him down as the best attacker in the league behind Messi/Ronaldo/Bale/Rakitic which is similar to Reus being ranked behind Ribéry/Lewandowski/Firmino. I don't think you should take those rankings at face value but I think they're not far off reality. In terms of productivity they were fairly similar as well - although Reus was obviously more effective in the CL. Sánchez managed this despite clearly not playing in a system that gets the best out of him so I don't think it's outrageous to suggest he's the better player.
 
Express saying all clubs will have to wait until after the world cup before Barca will listen to offers
 
That looks like the way it is going.Any business will be done after the world cup. Who knows someone may emerge during the competition .
 
Brwned said:
I mostly agree with what you're saying I just think it's an exaggeration to say Reus is much better. He probably is better on the whole but I don't think there's a clear difference between the two. And I don't think Reus was that much better than Sánchez this year. WhoScored has him down as the best attacker in the league behind Messi/Ronaldo/Bale/Rakitic which is similar to Reus being ranked behind Ribéry/Lewandowski/Firmino. I don't think you should take those rankings at face value but I think they're not far off reality. In terms of productivity they were fairly similar as well - although Reus was obviously more effective in the CL. Sánchez managed this despite clearly not playing in a system that gets the best out of him so I don't think it's outrageous to suggest he's the better player.
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I agree with you on this, I know Reus is a great player and enjoyable to watch but I think people on here rate him above what he actually is. For me he isn't even in the same category at Ronaldo, Neymar, Bale, Hazard, Ribery, Robben in terms of wing play.

As for your Sanchez vs Reus argument for 2013/14

Sanchez - 32 appearances coming off the bench 11 times = 19 goals 10 assists. (league and CL)
Reus - 35 appearances coming off the bench 5 times = 21 goals 15 asssists. (league and CL)

There's no much between them at all.
 
Trizy said:
I agree with you on this, I know Reus is a great player and enjoyable to watch but I think people on here rate him above what he actually is. For me he isn't even in the same category at Ronaldo, Neymar, Bale, Hazard, Ribery, Robben in terms of wing play.

As for your Sanchez vs Reus argument for 2013/14

Sanchez - 32 appearances coming off the bench 11 times = 19 goals 10 assists. (league and CL)
Reus - 35 appearances coming off the bench 5 times = 21 goals 15 asssists. (league and CL)

There's no much between them at all.
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Thats not a fair point. Reus has come on leaps and bounds these past 24 months. He is one of the best left wingers in the game. I think Reus offers more to the team than Sanchez does. Sanchez is quicker but Reus, in my opinion, is more talented. He is a terrific set piece taker as well. Im not saying Sanchez is a predictable player but when Reus runs at defenders, you don't know which direction he is going to go. He does those jerks so effectively that he wrong foots his opponent very often. Reus is also a better finisher than Sanchez is. Given a choice between Reus and Sanchez, I would pick Reus hands down every day of the week. And if you were to take Neymar into the equation this season, then Reus has been most effective given that Neymar has scored 15 and assisted 15 in 41 appearances.
 
Trizy said:
I agree with you on this, I know Reus is a great player and enjoyable to watch but I think people on here rate him above what he actually is. For me he isn't even in the same category at Ronaldo, Neymar, Bale, Hazard, Ribery, Robben in terms of wing play.

As for your Sanchez vs Reus argument for 2013/14

Sanchez - 32 appearances coming off the bench 11 times = 19 goals 10 assists. (league and CL)
Reus - 35 appearances coming off the bench 5 times = 21 goals 15 asssists. (league and CL)

There's no much between them at all.
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Right now he's definitely a better footballer than Neymar and Hazard, and has been better than Robben this season too, maybe even Ribery. People may be overrating him, but you're underrating him.
 
Cina said:
Right now he's definitely a better footballer than Neymar and Hazard, and has been better than Robben this season too, maybe even Ribery. People may be overrating him, but you're underrating him.
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He's not better then hazard or robben. He's probably had a better season then ribery but he isn't better then him either. That's just overrating him. Ronaldo, bale, reus, robben and hazard are all a level above but Sanchez has the potential if given the freedom to reach at least a few of those.
 
Brwned said:
I mostly agree with what you're saying I just think it's an exaggeration to say Reus is much better. He probably is better on the whole but I don't think there's a clear difference between the two. And I don't think Reus was that much better than Sánchez this year. WhoScored has him down as the best attacker in the league behind Messi/Ronaldo/Bale/Rakitic which is similar to Reus being ranked behind Ribéry/Lewandowski/Firmino. I don't think you should take those rankings at face value but I think they're not far off reality. In terms of productivity they were fairly similar as well - although Reus was obviously more effective in the CL. Sánchez managed this despite clearly not playing in a system that gets the best out of him so I don't think it's outrageous to suggest he's the better player.
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I see where you're coming from. Regarding the system, it does play a role but Sanchez moving to another team doesnt guarantee a better output automatically. Yes, he plays in a restrictive system but he also plays with perhaps the best collection of attackers in the world in a league where his team remains camped in the opposition half 90% of the game. Though he'd have more freedom at another club, he wont have the same quality to play alongside him and neither the same level of dominance team wise. Similarly, the same can be argued regarding Reus, that perhaps the very fact that Dortmund's style suits him so well has a huge role to play in how well he does and he might not replicate the same elsewhere even though he'd still be a top player. So even though I agree with your points, I'd rather just go on what I've seen the past few seasons and based on that, I'd rather Reus than Sanchez.

An interesting thing though, if we still had Moyes at the helm, I think I'd have wanted Sanchez over Reus. He seems to me as more suited in a system that'd encourage individualistic play than Reus who'd work superbly in a team that plays more as a unit.
 
bosnian_red said:
He's not better then hazard or robben. He's probably had a better season then ribery but he isn't better then him either. That's just overrating him. Ronaldo, bale, reus, robben and hazard are all a level above but Sanchez has the potential if given the freedom to reach at least a few of those.
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I was talking about Reus, not Sanchez.
 
Varun said:
I see where you're coming from. Regarding the system, it does play a role but Sanchez moving to another team doesnt guarantee a better output automatically. Yes, he plays in a restrictive system but he also plays with perhaps the best collection of attackers in the world in a league where his team remains camped in the opposition half 90% of the game. Though he'd have more freedom at another club, he wont have the same quality to play alongside him and neither the same level of dominance team wise. Similarly, the same can be argued regarding Reus, that perhaps the very fact that Dortmund's style suits him so well has a huge role to play in how well he does and he might not replicate the same elsewhere even though he'd still be a top player. So even though I agree with your points, I'd rather just go on what I've seen the past few seasons and based on that, I'd rather Reus than Sanchez.

An interesting thing though, if we still had Moyes at the helm, I think I'd have wanted Sanchez over Reus. He seems to me as more suited in a system that'd encourage individualistic play than Reus who'd work superbly in a team that plays more as a unit.
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That camped in the opposition half thing is actually something that works against Alexis, I reckon. In a more counter attacking team, against opponents who don't sit so deep, would make him more dangerous. He's good technically but in tight spaces he's nothing special really, and he can run out of ideas at times - if had more room to run in behind he'd be lethal, given how excellent his movement (and pace) is.

Though that said, I do generally agree with the point you make.
 
Varun said:
I see where you're coming from. Regarding the system, it does play a role but Sanchez moving to another team doesnt guarantee a better output automatically. Yes, he plays in a restrictive system but he also plays with perhaps the best collection of attackers in the world in a league where his team remains camped in the opposition half 90% of the game. Though he'd have more freedom at another club, he wont have the same quality to play alongside him and neither the same level of dominance team wise. Similarly, the same can be argued regarding Reus, that perhaps the very fact that Dortmund's style suits him so well has a huge role to play in how well he does and he might not replicate the same elsewhere even though he'd still be a top player. So even though I agree with your points, I'd rather just go on what I've seen the past few seasons and based on that, I'd rather Reus than Sanchez.

An interesting thing though, if we still had Moyes at the helm, I think I'd have wanted Sanchez over Reus. He seems to me as more suited in a system that'd encourage individualistic play than Reus who'd work superbly in a team that plays more as a unit.
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It's not about what he could do if he was playing in a different system though, it's about what he is already doing in a different system. 6 goals and 8 assists in his last 16 starts for Chile show that he's got so much more to offer creatively than he's been able to show for Barcelona.
 
buckooo1978 said:
Not sold on Mata... Yet

A lovely player but causing a headache really with Rooney, Kagawa and eventually Januzaj in his favoured position...

Be interesting to see what happens when LVG takes over
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Mata is better than Rooney or Kagawa in the CAM position.
IMO we should be building the team around Mata and RVP.
 
Cina said:
Right now he's definitely a better footballer than Neymar and Hazard, and has been better than Robben this season too, maybe even Ribery. People may be overrating him, but you're underrating him.
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Absolutely feckin not.
 
http://www.theguardian.com/football...ited-louis-van-gaal-alexis-sanchez?CMP=twt_gu

Alexis Sánchez has been identified by Louis van Gaal as a summer target for Manchester United, with the manager considering a move for the £20m-rated Barcelona forward.

Although United’s interest has yet to reach any advanced stage, the manager is a firm admirer of the Chile international, who will face Van Gaal’s Holland during the World Cup in Brazil.

United would want to sell one or two of their forward players to ensure Van Gaal’s squad remains uncluttered if Sánchez were to arrive. This would mean that Nani, Ashley Young, Antonio Valencia and Shinji Kagawa, plus possibly the strikers Javier Hernández and Danny Welbeck, could be under threat as the manager assesses his new squad and how he wants the side to play.

Van Gaal has often utilised a 4-3-3, meaning he requires only one dedicated striker, with his team placing emphasis on pacy widemen. When in charge of Bayern Munich he operated with Franck Ribéry and Arjen Robben on the flanks in this fashion.

However, Van Gaal has also proved flexible regarding team formation, usually deciding on the best shape to fit the players at his disposal.

Sánchez, at 25 and following an uneven three years at Barcelona, fits the profile of the young and hungry footballer Van Gaal often favours. The 2014 World Cup will Sánchez’s second, plus his experience in the Champions League as well as featuring in a La Liga-winning team with players of the quality of Lionel Messi, Andrés Iniesta and Xavi at Barcelona, the hope would be that he could help make Manchester United serious title contenders next season.

Sánchez played a single season for Cobreloa in Chile, 2005-06, before moving to Italy with Serie A’s Udinese. He was loaned out by the club to Colo-Colo in his home country and River Plate in Argentina, winning the countries’ respective championships.

After three years in Udinese’s first team he was signed by Pep Guardiola for Barcelona in summer 2011 for around £21m. He has won a La Liga title, the Copa del Rey, two Spanish Super Cups along with the Uefa Super Cup and the Club World Cup during his time at Camp Nou.

Wayne Rooney has been offered support from the former England manager Glenn Hoddle, following some suggestions that the United striker should be dropped for the opening World Cup game against Italy on Saturday.

Hoddle said: “Rooney can finally establish himself as a world class performer and take Brazil by storm over the next few weeks but only if he calms down. He simply must relax. I would tell him that in order to reach his peak on the biggest stage he needs to relax and play his normal game. He tries too hard to live up to his reputation as a world-class player and it shows.”
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Really starting to look like this rumour could have legs. No smoke without fire and all that...
 
I really hope we really persist for him. For £20-30m, you will not find many - if any - better options on the wing.
 
NK86 said:
An Arsenal supporting mate of mine would not stop about how Hazard was always a done deal.
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we must have a mutual friend, because I had a very similar type of friend. Kept on posting videos of the guy on facebook constantly.
 
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