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saaypundit said:
At the end of the day, my point is that Martial is average. If Wenger is willing to take Martial for Sanchez, I would do that all day without any hesitation.

I don't understand why people are so protective of an average player. What does he do that is so spectacular?

In a couple of years, Martial will be just another guy who could have been this or that.

This is just my opinion. People don't have to lose their shit.

The question you need to ask is who would you have in your team now? Martial or Sanchez?
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I know its just your opinion but Martial is actually having a better season than Sanchez. Hes scored and assisted more whilst playing 200 minutes less than Sanchez. So right now I'd take Martial. I'd also take him for the future too, fair enough he may not be as good a player as Sanchez, maybe not ever. But hes young, what you and other people are forgetting is that he's only 22, he's almost certainly going to improve. He has a goal or assist basically every other game for Manchester United. Sanchez on the other hand is 30 by the end of the year, he will only have a few seasons left, and if he's anything like Rooney, will already be in a decline. Also, I mentioned Martial scoring or assisting every other game, Sanchez at Barcelona was practically the same - scoring or assisting just over every other game.

Here is their comparison for this current season:
Martial has scored / assisted every 91.7 minutes in the premier league. 89.8 minutes in all competitions
Sanchez has scored / assisted every 150.7 minutes in the premier league. 142.6 in all competitions.
Fair enough you might say it's because he's unsettled and doesn't want to play for Arsenal, but who wants a player like that? Coutinho was professional enough for Liverpool even though he wanted to leave.

People may be overrating Martial and predicting he'll win the Ballon D'or one day, but your underrating him saying he's just average, when in fact he is actually a brilliant player who has been a good asset this season. Would you still take Sanchez over Martial now?
 
7even said:
I will come back to the economical aspects of an eventual deal.

From my understanding Sanchez wants a sign on bonus that gives him a total salary in the region of £350k/w. I expects his agent to only accept a minimum of 3 year so a 3+1 contract seems reasonable.

If we compare us buying, let’s say, Dybala we probably have to fork out a transfer fee north of £130m and a salary of at least £225k/w plus. 5+1 year contract.

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Total cost Dybala per year (6) incl wages £31,7m.
(120m + 70,2m (225k x 52 + 5) = 190,2m/6 = 31,7m)

Total cost Sanchez per year (4) incl wages £24,5m.
(30m (fee) + 20m (sign bonus) + 47,8m (230k x 52 x 3) = 97,8m/4 = 24,5m)

I expects both of them to receive a loyalty bonus if they stay 3/5 years and similar personal performance incentives.

So in this scenario who’s most value for money and who will suit our overall situation (Martial/Rashford) best?
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Dybala will be significantly more expensive than that, both in wages and transfer fee.
 
saaypundit said:
At the end of the day, my point is that Martial is average. If Wenger is willing to take Martial for Sanchez, I would do that all day without any hesitation.

I don't understand why people are so protective of an average player. What does he do that is so spectacular?

In a couple of years, Martial will be just another guy who could have been this or that.

This is just my opinion. People don't have to lose their shit.

The question you need to ask is who would you have in your team now? Martial or Sanchez?
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Triple facepalm.
 
RepardReece said:
I know its just your opinion but Martial is actually having a better season than Sanchez. Hes scored and assisted more whilst playing 200 minutes less than Sanchez. So right now I'd take Martial. I'd also take him for the future too, fair enough he may not be as good a player as Sanchez, maybe not ever. But hes young, what you and other people are forgetting is that he's only 22, he's almost certainly going to improve. He has a goal or assist basically every other game for Manchester United. Sanchez on the other hand is 30 by the end of the year, he will only have a few seasons left, and if he's anything like Rooney, will already be in a decline. Also, I mentioned Martial scoring or assisting every other game, Sanchez at Barcelona was practically the same - scoring or assisting just over every other game.

Here is their comparison for this current season:
Martial has scored / assisted every 91.7 minutes in the premier league. 89.8 minutes in all competitions
Sanchez has scored / assisted every 150.7 minutes in the premier league. 142.6 in all competitions.
Fair enough you might say it's because he's unsettled and doesn't want to play for Arsenal, but who wants a player like that? Coutinho was professional enough for Liverpool even though he wanted to leave.

People may be overrating Martial and predicting he'll win the Ballon D'or one day, but your underrating him saying he's just average, when in fact he is actually a brilliant player who has been a good asset this season. Would you still take Sanchez over Martial now?
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Given that Sanchez is a proven world class player and Martial isn't, I'm guessing yes.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Martial is overrated by the ‘future Ballon D’Or’ crowd on here. He ain’t ever winning that award. Top 10-20 maybe.
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In that scenario,we'd still have one hell of a player. Although I think it's academic having the conversation, I think it's silly saying he's never going compete for it.
 
I think we will soon hear chelsea's name mentioned in this deal. Conte clearly wants him, Chelsea are struggling and might start to sink towards fourth and lower, Its a good deal financially and also Sanchez might want to stay in London, if he goes to chelsea he doesnt change home, also just like us, they will be ready to pay the fees involved as both of us need him more than city.
 
Maradona10 said:
I think we will soon hear chelsea's name mentioned in this deal. Conte clearly wants him, Chelsea are struggling and might start to sink towards fourth and lower, Its a good deal financially and also Sanchez might want to stay in London, if he goes to chelsea he doesnt change home, also just like us, they will be ready to pay the fees involved as both of us need him more than city.
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Thankfully, it seems like the Chelsea board are reluctant to give Conte what he wants.
 
Maradona10 said:
I think we will soon hear chelsea's name mentioned in this deal. Conte clearly wants him, Chelsea are struggling and might start to sink towards fourth and lower, Its a good deal financially and also Sanchez might want to stay in London, if he goes to chelsea he doesnt change home, also just like us, they will be ready to pay the fees involved as both of us need him more than city.
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I don't see Roman sanctioning a deal for that kind of money, agents fees and wages included. They've changed a lot since the Hazard deal.
 
Although a minority, the few united fans that don't like Martial absolutely abhor him. Might actually believe he's been sliding into their gf's DMs. Our Number 11s really need to stop shagging other people's birds
 
I know it's the done thing now and €10 million is "peanuts" and Chelsea paid €7 million in agent fees for Barkley, but does that not sicken anyone else. €10million o the Agent. 10 million. Of course it's a job of high influence and you're one of only a few people who has the players ear, but €10 million to an agent is disgusting.
 
Greck said:
Although a minority, the few united fans that don't like Martial absolutely abhor him. Might actually believe he's been sliding into their gf's DMs. Our Number 11s really need to stop shagging other people's birds
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Who are these fans? Posters here? Can you name them?
 
RexHamilton said:
I know it's the done thing now and €10 million is "peanuts" and Chelsea paid €7 million in agent fees for Barkley, but does that not sicken anyone else. €10million o the Agent. 10 million. Of course it's a job of high influence and you're one of only a few people who has the players ear, but €10 million to an agent is disgusting.
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Losing out on Hazard because of agent fees was one of the worst transfer decisions on our part in recent years, I'm all for paying the as long as we get the player.
 
Sanchez is playing in a dysfunctional team; that he does not want to play for.

Last season Sanchez got 49 goals and assists in 51 games. That is an astonishing rate for the PL, those are numbers that you get playing for PSG or Bayern in a one team league, and he got it for a 5th placed Arsenal.
 
RexHamilton said:
I know it's the done thing now and €10 million is "peanuts" and Chelsea paid €7 million in agent fees for Barkley, but does that not sicken anyone else. €10million o the Agent. 10 million. Of course it's a job of high influence and you're one of only a few people who has the players ear, but €10 million to an agent is disgusting.
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Money everywhere in football is disgusting, the agents aren't going to miss out on that.
 
westmeath said:
Bookies odds are the single worst indicator of the likely outcome. If I've learnt nothing else from the likes of Vidal and Griezeman in the past, I have learnt this
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Fridge chutney said:
Not true. Griezmann was once 1/6 or lower to join us.
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Griezmann and Vidal were an exception to the rule, not the rule. they were an anomaly. If anyone thinks that Sanchez will be joining City, go ahead and put your money on it. You will get 4 bucks on every buck you put down. Pretty good return and easy money if he is favorite to join City.

Hanky panky said:
Bookies are one of the best indicators what we can have. Better than random tweets... Of course even 99% sure transfers doesn't happen every time, like in DDG case shows. I guess in Griezmann case odds werent badly wrong actually. It just didn't happen because of Atletico transfer ban. And if you don't remember, Pogba, Zlatan and Mkhi and many others all were in odds 1/5, 1/10, 1/20 etc before we signed them. It doesn't guarantee anything but it's a good sign if odds collapse.
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That's exactly what I mean. For a single Griezmann there are tens of transfer where the odds were in that exact range moments before the transfer actually took place.

Macern said:
So, odds that go up and down according to how much and how many people that place bets are more reliable than 'random tweets' when in fact the mentioned people use those random tweets to dictate their betting? Makes no sense
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Yes. People are not "just placing" bets usually. People place bets because of information they receive, and not only from random tweets. When bookies slash odds to 1/3 they usually have more reliable inside information than random tweets.
 
Apologies if we are not allowed to post media here, but the whole talk of us yet to formalise the bid or agent package just reminds me of this :lol:

 
RexHamilton said:
I know it's the done thing now and €10 million is "peanuts" and Chelsea paid €7 million in agent fees for Barkley, but does that not sicken anyone else. €10million o the Agent. 10 million. Of course it's a job of high influence and you're one of only a few people who has the players ear, but €10 million to an agent is disgusting.
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Chelsea paid £7 million to Barkley's agent...
 
Looks like they are already setting up a narrative.

United get Sanchez because he prefers money over winning and his agent got overpaid.
 
The Bloody-Nine said:
Given that Sanchez is a proven world class player and Martial isn't, I'm guessing yes.
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So right now based on form you'd take Sanchez over Martial? Fair enough hes proved world-class but @saaypundit 's argument was he'd have sanchez over Martial RIGHT NOW. Sanchez clearly hasn't proved himself this year has he? You can make the excuse all you want that it's because he wants to leave, but that's the complete wrong attitude, Coutinho is the attitude you want at a club, he was professional over his situation. Last season he was sensational, but either he's in a decline this season, or he's playing poorly because they wouldn't let him leave last summer. And who's not to say Mou will ruin Sanchez at United like the other players he's done the same to... Mhki etc.
 
apotheosis said:
Yes i was aware of that. I was just wondering why you felt that was important enough to mention over other considerations? Probably due to age, and personally, i see that as less important than what he still has to offer. So i was simply asking you whether you felt the same?
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I just like posting about details sometimes, rather than follow someone else's understanding of what the "most important considerations" are. :)
 
Ubik said:
Money everywhere in football is disgusting, the agents aren't going to miss out on that.
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I understand that. But there's not missing out and then there is getting €10 million. A third of the reported fee on top of the fee for someone to broker the deal. I have no problem with money in football. High wages and signing on fees, fine. You're paying for talent. I just think that's an obscene amount. And agent is an employee of the player. Yet the club could be paying him €10 million.
 
RepardReece said:
So right now based on form you'd take Sanchez over Martial? Fair enough hes proved world-class but @saaypundit 's argument was he'd have sanchez over Martial RIGHT NOW. Sanchez clearly hasn't proved himself this year has he? You can make the excuse all you want that it's because he wants to leave, but that's the complete wrong attitude, Coutinho is the attitude you want at a club, he was professional over his situation. Last season he was sensational, but either he's in a decline this season, or he's playing poorly because they wouldn't let him leave last summer. And who's not to say Mou will ruin Sanchez at United like the other players he's done the same to... Mhki etc.
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That's a lot of what ifs regarding Sanchez. He could be like Rooney, he could play until he's 40 like Giggs. Regardless, I wouldn't get rid of Martial. He could be sensational.

That said, given the choice between the two right now, it's Sanchez all the way.
 
If you watch him often and think that Martial is average then there is not really much conversation to be had. Luckily it is highly unlikely we would include Martial in any deal so we might end up with both.
 
breakout67 said:
Sanchez is playing in a dysfunctional team; that he does not want to play for.

Last season Sanchez got 49 goals and assists in 51 games. That is an astonishing rate for the PL, those are numbers that you get playing for PSG or Bayern in a one team league, and he got it for a 5th placed Arsenal.
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One team league? The difference between city and the rest is more than the first and second in the French and German league. Those leagues are a lot more competitive than England.
 
saaypundit said:
At the end of the day, my point is that Martial is average. If Wenger is willing to take Martial for Sanchez, I would do that all day without any hesitation.

I don't understand why people are so protective of an average player. What does he do that is so spectacular?

In a couple of years, Martial will be just another guy who could have been this or that.

This is just my opinion. People don't have to lose their shit.

The question you need to ask is who would you have in your team now? Martial or Sanchez?
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Hahahaha. :lol:
You're simply clueless if you actually think Martial is average.
You and Jaybomb should hook up, he would do anything to get rid of Martial.
 
Giggs86 said:
Griezmann and Vidal were an exception to the rule, not the rule. they were an anomaly. If anyone thinks that Sanchez will be joining City, go ahead and put your money on it. You will get 4 bucks on every buck you put down. Pretty good return and easy money if he is favorite to join City.
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My argument wasn't that he will go to City. I now think he'll join us. My argument is that you can't always treat bookies as gospel. And I'm right! This has been proven beyond just the examples you quoted.

Another example is Lukaku to Chelsea this summer. And Morata to United were very short. At one point both were shorter than 1/3. Neither happened.
 
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