Truth is he has seen better days,he is the elephant in the room here,time to move on in the summer and give Chong a chance.
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Ole's United is about power and pace. Sadly that train had long gone for Alexis even during his waning days at the arsenal.
Disagree there!
Lingard might not show the statistics of someone who looks like a glamorous player.
Can Lingard be upgraded? Yes.
Has Sanchez shown more on paper than Lingard throughout his career? Yes
Has Sanchez shown more than Lingard since being at United? No
Lingard, improves players around him. Almost like a water carrier. We are more effective as unit with Lingard in the team. He helps everyone around him. He presses more. Contributes more to the team.
It's always about being better, it's more about who is better for the other players. It's Lingard > Sanchez in that sense.
Not everything is about scoring and assists.
I didn’t say everything is about scoring and assisting. You said what it should be about, and I have said my opinion on who I think the answer is.
I think Sanchez has been better than Lingard for the most part (excluding two months around this time last season) since he’s been here. Both need to be upgraded, but Sanchez of today is still the better I think. He has still managed to provide some regular class by way of creating chances and goals, and I also think he ‘runs around’ enough to negate the need for Lingard.
Again, let this not be seen as mitigation for his form. He hasn’t played well enough by a long stretch, but I still feel he’s a better option than Lingard. Our attack has been dysfunctional for a long time, with Lingard a regular part of it, I’m not buying this theory that our front line requires Jesse Lingard for it to have any cohesion or whatever. I do like Jesse Lingard for what it’s worth, but I think that he is what he is too. He has some great qualities but he also lacks great quality. I no way want him to be sold, and I’d actually sell Sanchez before him if given the choice, but that’s because Lingard is the only one of the two of them that is performing well enough for the role I think he should have. I don’t think he’s performing well enough for the role I think Sanchez should have though.
For what it's worth I do think he's looked better his two appearances under Ole.
That said if he doesn't really kick on quick both sides are going to have one hell of a problem.
That said if he doesn't really kick on quick both sides are going to have one hell of a problem.
In his time here, Lingard shits all over Sanchez. Some people refuse to see the positives Jesse brings to the team.
He is on his last chance saloon for me.
But we'll find it tough to offload him regardless if he doesn't pick up his game.
But we'll find it tough to offload him regardless if he doesn't pick up his game.
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He looks done at the top sadly. We will be lucky if we get even half of what we got out of the other world class player we got from arsenal. His game was never one that was based around Intelligence to begin with so he may probably end up a lb or a rb like valencia who was a similar sort of player to him after he loses most of his speed. For our own sake I hope I'm wrong and he does shine under a United that have gotten a second wind post Mourinho as the only thing his signing has done since A year is destabilise an attack that was functioning well .
Disagree with the bolded.
Sanchez contributes to us being a static side easy to defend against whereas Lingard does a LOT of running in behind and freeing up space for Rashford, Martial etc.
Sanchez on the other hand is wanting the same space as Pogba, Mata to try and create instead of been an option in behind like the other attacking players.
I like Sanchez but he is on a rapid decline and either needs to adjust his play style or move on.
Dont like this idea.
Fergie always had atleast 3 strikers in the team.
90s,Cole,Yorke,Sheringham and Ole.
00s Rooney,Berbatov and Hernandez.
Since Tottenham in the semi final of the Fa Cup and against Manchester City last year where he assisted two goals.
Dont get me wrong i echo the sentiment that hes been our worst signing ever but he has the quality.
I mean even the past two games hes got two assists in two.
Up untill recent didnt Lingard go like 10 months without a goal for us?
Well as far as I can see, we have been a static side over the last year with Lingard in the team too. I think it’s clear that the former manager is the one who made us static. For all of Sanchez’ criticisms, I don’t think him standing still is one of them.
People writing this guy off far too quickly. He's looked good at times for us but then has suffered with injuries and having to play under Jose which hasn't helped clearly. If he can stay injury free we could get a couple of good seasons out of him but he is 30 now so time is becoming limited really!
I want Sanchez to do well but these days he does a lot without doing a lot. It appears as though barring the assist, he didn't produce much last night. I hope Ole doesn't fall into the same trap as Mourinho and push him ahead of Martial due to stature. We cannot afford to make this mistake twice.
We should try him out on the right rotating with Lingard. It's the one thing we haven't tried.
We should try him out on the right rotating with Lingard. It's the one thing we haven't tried.
Agree he probably needs to go but Chong is nowhere near ready, if he ever will be.
One thing Sanchez does still have in his locker is the ability to pick a clever pass. He did it for the Lukaku goal yesterday and the Rashford one against Newcastle.
That aside he has been a bit disappointing in those games. Ole puts it down to match sharpness which could be true but I still would've expected him to go all out for a goal against Reading which never really happened.
That aside he has been a bit disappointing in those games. Ole puts it down to match sharpness which could be true but I still would've expected him to go all out for a goal against Reading which never really happened.
Hence my second point.
Lingard is a willing runner in behind where I don't see that with Sanchez.
He is wanting to drift into the same space as Mata and Pogba and try those floated balls over the top.
We need the front 3 interchanging and running in behind giving Pogba options.
Yep he wants to pick the ball in front of the opponents defensive line to create but without Martial's dribbling or Pogba's passing he settles for a low percentage lob. Same problem Rooney had where the player hasn't figured out how to play around his limitations to keep it from hindering the team
Perhaps. Lingard does have good movement. Not sure if his movement is more valuable than having more quality in the final third, but it’s an argument.
I think if you are more movement than quality, then you need to be a regular scorer. You can make runs for Pogba to play in all day, but didn’t he not score for 20 games or something? I mean, Vardy is all movement and finishing. That’s fine. Pedro is/was a bit similar, he’s an excellent finisher.
Anyway, I think the real answer is that neither are up to it, for different reasons. Jesse’s excellent movement perhaps gets him the ball in good moments regularly, but he almost always fails to deliver the pass he should and often fluffs the easier chances. Sanchez doesn’t run as much, although he’s still a runner, but has more final third quality. He needs to up his own goal output massively too.
You mention him occupying the same space as Mata, but Mata wouldn’t be playing if he plays. Mata wouldn’t play if Jesse plays. And when Mata does play, Pogba is also playing, and they don’t get in each other’s way. Playing Sanchez on the left and Pogba LM is likely to see them occupy similar spaces, but play Sanchez from the right, I think that could be solved. He’d be similar to Mata in style in fact, but with a bit more dynamism.
Back when we played with two strikers. In the modern game you need two. A starter and his back up.
Pretty sure was still better than Sanchez
How many has Sanchez been banging in?
Just checked.
3 goals and 6 assists since he signed for us.
About 9 mil per goal in wages.
3 goals and 6 assists since he signed for us.
About 9 mil per goal in wages.
Sacking Mourinho has bought him (and some others) 6 more months to prove he's a top tier player. He'll be gone in the summer about as fast as he was moved out of Solskjaer's seat on Saturday if his form doesn't drastically improve.
He's not paid Lionel Messi wages to put in Marc Albrighton performances.
He's not paid Lionel Messi wages to put in Marc Albrighton performances.
If only it was that easy; he seems to be the type that's more than happy to reject any moves and see out his contract even if it means sitting on a bench.
I'd like to think he seriously kicks on with us and lives up to his ability; and failing that he settles to move to a cash-cow country like China or the USA. I don't see another big club wanting to take him on especially with the money he'd expect.
We'd shift him easily. No transfer fee needed, just take him and payout his current contract. Sanchez walks off with a cool £30m and a new contract and we get our wage budget back.
There's any number of clubs that would take him for that price in the current market.
No where near ready for the first team yet.
He wasn't free. He'd cost us on Mikhitaryan. 37mil ?
And then another 30 mil to get rid of?
I'd have him meet n greet in the Europa suite before writing that off.
I didn't say he was free, I said we should get him out on a free.
For £450k a week or whatever it is, I'd have him gone before he cost us another penny. We'd save money releasing him.
He looked tired in the second half. Plus the midfield was crap too.
I see many posters go on about how he has lost pace, but I never thought he had much. He had good acceleration and amazing stopping ability coupled with great balance and agility, but never much speed. So, I looked through some compilations on Youtube that even bragged about "speed and skills" - and even in his physical prime did he not often actually get away from his defenders due to superior speed - maybe in a 5-10 yard race, but not more.
People have to stop thinking that he was ever fast. What does surprise me is how his acceleration seems to have gone to pieces, however, and that his play in tight spaces has become so poor. He was once great at finding space and getting past people by putting them off balance, but now he just steps on the ball, fumbles and seems incapable of moving with the ball.
Football is very much dominated by the mental aspect, and to me it looks like his confidence is shot. If he can get that back, I think he can start becoming a valuable player. He was never a Giggs or Ronaldo that could run past players for fun, nor did he have the dribbling of Hazard - but at his best his output was much better than Hazard, so hopefully he can get back to that.
People have to stop thinking that he was ever fast. What does surprise me is how his acceleration seems to have gone to pieces, however, and that his play in tight spaces has become so poor. He was once great at finding space and getting past people by putting them off balance, but now he just steps on the ball, fumbles and seems incapable of moving with the ball.
Football is very much dominated by the mental aspect, and to me it looks like his confidence is shot. If he can get that back, I think he can start becoming a valuable player. He was never a Giggs or Ronaldo that could run past players for fun, nor did he have the dribbling of Hazard - but at his best his output was much better than Hazard, so hopefully he can get back to that.
I never said you said he was free.
I was just including his real cost in your valuation for writing off purposes.
Fecking hell. That's shocking!
But come to think of it, not really surprised.
So instead of having him here, while paying him, you'd rather us just pay him the entirety of his contract to release him? Either way it costs us the same.
And not many clubs would take him for £300,000 a week; regardless if it was a 'free transfer' - even then him and his agent would get a hefty signing-on fee.
Edit: Even if I'm misreading your post and you want the 'buying club' to pay out the equivalent cost of his contract - you're talking at least £50m right? He's got a contract until 2022.
Only 3 goals for us since he signed? That can't be right. I'm sure it's more than that
He has trained today 
I want him to start against Spurs.
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