Martial has also been given no consistent playing time. literally lil dribs and drabs hear and there where as Sanchez and Lukaku start every single match regardless if they have been wank for many games
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Movement and passing? He has been running around in circles. He has lost his burst of pace and eventually this forum will accept this. Right now no one will admit to it but it's best we move on.
That's garbage from Liam Brady then. Losing the ball is not the issue, all attacking players lose the ball a lot. It's about his total aimlessness/loss of burst pace in and around the box. He even looks old and frustrated nowadays.
He was the perfect signing few years back. But just like Schweinsteiger, Zlatan (although he did alright) and Falcao we signed them too little too late.
But of course we have the whole "31 is old?? Medical science is amazing nowadays look at Zlatan. Look at Ronaldo. Look at Giggs" crowd that will tell us how he isn't old because a few genetic freaks made it.
I checked out his stats and made the below. What it tells us is the following:
- He's currently touching the ball the most in his career. Deeply involved during the game.
- He's not shooting as much as he did at Arsenal.
- He's also getting worse at shooting on target. Statistically the worse he's been since Season 2 at Barcelona.
- His Goal rate is concerning, it's a constant upward trend right now at United.
- However, he's actually making more key passes than at any point in his career.
- But his conversion rate is almost at the lowest it's ever been. I'm guessing this is partly because he's out of practice not taking as many shots as he did before.
- Finally his accuracy is also at the lowest it's ever been. Further reinforcing the above point.
TLDR: He's changed his game since joining United becoming less of a goal threat but more of a creative drive to the team.
I checked out his stats and made the below. What it tells us is the following:
- He's currently touching the ball the most in his career. Deeply involved during the game.
- He's not shooting as much as he did at Arsenal.
- He's also getting worse at shooting on target. Statistically the worse he's been since Season 2 at Barcelona.
- His Goal rate is concerning, it's a constant upward trend right now at United.
- However, he's actually making more key passes than at any point in his career.
- But his conversion rate is almost at the lowest it's ever been. I'm guessing this is partly because he's out of practice not taking as many shots as he did before.
- Finally his accuracy is also at the lowest it's ever been. Further reinforcing the above point.
TLDR: He's changed his game since joining United becoming less of a goal threat but more of a creative drive to the team.
Interesting stuff. Thanks!
Wonder why the change
he's been useless so far but I still reckon he has one great season left in him if he starts it off well. Sadly it doesn't look like it'll be this one.
Sanchez had a great game vs City away last season and also vs Spurs in the FA Cup. There's some hope.
Just nature taking its course. Like how Giggs adapted with age, Alexis is doing something similar. Hopefully he adjusts because he's been underwhelming and I say this as someone who rated him as the best player in the prem two seasons ago, and wholeheartedly wanted him here.
Though, even in his prime for Arsenal, he was still a very creative player who liked to come deep and playmake as he does for us now. It's why I had him and Ozil down as the best partnership in the prem a couple of seasons ago because, when he would drop deep, they'd link-up so well at times. It's just he doesn't seemingly have the ability to do both (create and be a goal threat) now. Especially as he isn't as good a dribbler anymore with his loss of pace which was a huge asset in being able to do both.
Needs a spell out of the team. Some people say players can play through bad form, but jesus christ we are talking more than 12 months of bad form here.
Drop him. Let him have 10 minute cameos and see what impact he makes. After all we expect Martial at the age of 22 to produce magic in 10 minutes when he comes on, so someone as talented as Sanchez can surely deliver right?
The only other possibility is playing him on the right, because I still dont think Lingard/Rashford/Mata are great in that position.
The only other possibility is playing him on the right, because I still dont think Lingard/Rashford/Mata are great in that position.
He should play on the RW and Martial on the left, with Shaw and Dalot as FBs. Dunno why Jose has not even considered this option.
Yep, pretty much agree with this. I think he's also dropping deeper to get the ball more often and therefore he's naturally further away from goal than he was at Arsenal. But his loss of pace has hampered his game imo.
Barcelona:
Total Mins - 4960
Shots Every - 36.7mins
Shot OT Every - 65.3mins
Goal Every - 155.0mins
Key Pass Every - 54.5mins
Arsenal:
Total Mins - 7176
Shots Every - 23.9mins
Shot OT Every - 65.8mins
Goal Every - 163.1mins
Key Pass Every - 36.8mins
United:
Total Mins - 1319
Shots Every - 48.9mins
Shot OT Every - 109.9mins
Goal Every - 659.5mins
Key Pass Every - 37.7mins
His shooting stats across the board are significantly worse here, yet his key pass is pretty much the same than at Arsenal. So he's still got the vision and technique to put through his teammates but he's struggling to get shots off. He's only has 12 shots on target so far for United.
Agree with this. His "Big chances created" is very good compared to other top players in the league. Shame no one judges him with respect to how he contributes to the team as a whole.
Oh dear oh dear
He needs to rest,for a few games, let's see what martial can do.Martial has scored more goal than Sanchez has scored since he arrived despite playing significantly lesser minutes.
Alternatively, he can start from the right,I don't think he can be worse than Mata on the right, my fear is that Mourinho may continue to play him despite his shocking loss of form(or decline) because of his huge wages. Coaches do this sometimes.
Alternatively, he can start from the right,I don't think he can be worse than Mata on the right, my fear is that Mourinho may continue to play him despite his shocking loss of form(or decline) because of his huge wages. Coaches do this sometimes.
Think we should cut our loses on Sanchez and just sell him in the summer or January if possible. His salary and lack of end product is causing us more issues than it solves.
No he hasn’t. Last night was Martial’s first goal since Sanchez signed.
Who is buying?
It’s weird, I don’t really recall him getting any clear cut chances and missing them either. Just a lot of blocked shots. I really think it comes down to an imbalance.
This would be the best option for us as a club, but I very much doubt we’re gonna find a willing buyer for him, especially if his United career continues the way it’s started.
There has to be a contract stipulation that says he won't play on the right wing or something, otherwise it's unthinkable that Mourinho wouldn't have already thought of trying it out.
That would be beyond stupid from the club, and frankly I can't see neither Woodward nor Jose accepting such a clause. It would be interfering into team selection and tactics, and I can't see Jose allowing that.
I think he needs to play more centrally. I'd prefer to see a 3-5-2 with Alexis partnering Lukaku, as I think it'd help both players. We also have a number of options that seem better centrally to play as the second striker - rashford, martial, Mata and lingard.
We would still get the best out of Pogba in a three, give wingbacks even more license to attack and offers better cover at the back. I honestly think this was the plan until we failed to sign a ball playing centre half
We would still get the best out of Pogba in a three, give wingbacks even more license to attack and offers better cover at the back. I honestly think this was the plan until we failed to sign a ball playing centre half
Let's be realistic - the upside to him playing his way into form is massive, so he has to play. We would gain a top 3 player in the league
Agreed. We're moving towards that anyway with Fellaini though.
Think people expect martial to bother his hope for 10.mins
We found a buyer for Di Maria. Someone out there will pay his wages, especially if we use the transfer fee to buy out his contract.
He hasn't been a top 3 player in the league for over one year now. In 2015/16 and 16/17 he was the outstanding player in the PL but last season there were already signs even at Arsenal that he was struggling. People put that down to him wanting to leave but when he got his move the bad form continued. Then people said he needs a full pre season to get upto speed. Again no difference. How long do we have to wait before accepting he is on the decline? I want him to succeed too but the whole situation is reminding me of Rooney's last days. It's even more frustrating because I think that 20 goal a season wide player is what we are missing currently to fight for the league and we thought Sanchez can be that player to elevate the attack and give us those numbers like he did at Arsenal. He isn't suited to play a creating role because he loses the ball too much. Either he plays upfront and starts scoring or he shouldn't play because he isn't a winger anymore.
Point is the upside is massive if he plays his way into form. Much higher upside than signing bale or whatever. It's not like he's playing miles worse than martial or rashford anyway. Martial can't be bothered and rashford has always struggles to make impact off the left.
Noone will buy him on those wages, unless it's a club in the US or China (which he won't accept at this stage). Hopefully he comes good because we're stuck with him!
Di Maria was 27 and his wages were nothing like the money Alexis is on. Plus he was still a top-class player.
I want him to succeed. He has so many things going for him. Come on Alexis!
We're not stuck with him, we can find a buyer if necessary but it will be at our loss.
After his good pre-season, I was confident he would hit the ground running for us this season and we'd get to see the devastating Sanchez at Arsenal.
It's just not working out for him at the moment. I don't think he has been dreadful, but certainly nowhere near as good as we need him to be, especially as our top earner.
I am still confident he will turn it around at some point this season.
It's just not working out for him at the moment. I don't think he has been dreadful, but certainly nowhere near as good as we need him to be, especially as our top earner.
I am still confident he will turn it around at some point this season.
We wouldn't make a loss on him, as he cost nothing.
The problem isn't the fee though, it's the wages. We can set the transfer fee, but we can't tell Sanchez to lower his wage demands.
We would make a loss on him because nobody would pay a large fee and then pay large wages if we're shipping him out. It would be different if we were selling against our will and he had been amazing.
If we used a hypothetical £30m transfer fee we receive for him to then buy out his contract, it would in effect cost us nothing to release him and the buying club would be able to agree a deal that stated he was currently paid £0 a week as he would be a free agent. Wages would not be an issue at all.
He'd be sitting pretty with £30m in his back pocket and free to negotiate a new deal for whatever both parties felt were reasonable.
We could flog him easily.
And he could still ask for ridiculous wages.
He could ask for £1b a week in all fairness but why would he when he's just got paid out on his current contract and his new club would happily offer him something inline with their wage structure, around £180k to £200k a week. He's not going to say no is he? Especially if he's told he's no longer wanted at Old Trafford and he won't play from now on.
I would still try to play him closer to Lukaku but that likely coincides with a change of formation and tactics.
Other than that,unfortunately,he's been all rather bobbins since the start of the campaign.Shame as his form in pre-season was looking promising.
Other than that,unfortunately,he's been all rather bobbins since the start of the campaign.Shame as his form in pre-season was looking promising.
Apart from the Goals he's scored, I can't even remember him shooting. Just look at the belter he scored against us when Arsenal demolished us. Nothing like that...he's too far from goal and he's always crowded.
I think he will benefit .ore from playing in the right side. There is more space there cause of how we play.
I think he will benefit .ore from playing in the right side. There is more space there cause of how we play.
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