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It's infuriating how easily Liverpool have fixed their midfield. Around £140 million for Mac Alister, Szoboszlai and Gravenberch is incredible business.
Indeed I am
I showed the source that had led to what I thought to be correct. My decision for not engaging with smug Liverpool fans is more widespread.
I'm sure that poster would be all over the forum if United and Liverpool's league positions were reversed....
It's not backtracking if I admit to an error though is it?
Backtracking would be where you claim that it wasn't what you originally said.
Player is still a horrible cheating cnut though in my opinion, and I'm entitled to that at least.
Indeed, that was refreshing on any forum or social media enviroment, kudos...
...yet that also makes a bit weird the opinion on Macca, feels like a way over the top statement regarding him, maybe mostly because he is a Pool player?, dunno.
Yet I can bet you wouldn't be singing that song if he was playing for your team either.
PD: BTW he didn't fake his black eye, the City player fell on him hard, he even hit the ground, it's silly to think that he faked that black eyed.
He is a player that more recently that he is asked to do lots of defensive and equilibirum taks knows how to get under the skin of rivals, feisty, cunning, but the biggest faking injury player around? most of times he is just up to the fight and does not stop the play to instantly take advantage of some steal. Dunno a bit over the top, even entitle to any sort of opinion of course.
Yes, it is absolutely because he's a Liverpool player
Sorry, I'm a really old skool fan who allows himself to be bitter, irrational and downright horrible when it comes to our most hated rivals. In the old days on this forum we used to allow lots of mud slinging between united and rival fans and it was also allowed to be mindless, herperbolic and daft. I am not talking here about hate speech - but good old fashioned football rivallry stuff which didn't require any fact checking. Back when United were good, the liverpool fans on here used to claim Ferguson and Gill sent brown envelopes of cash to the FA / Referees etc in order to get favourable decisions.
Not forgetting Endo. He's been used sparingly to close shop. Slot realized late. He would had used him to close down the midfield in games to relieve pressure off his team. The recent match that comes to mind is Everton. See how he used him against Man City and Newcastle. All in all, good business getting those midfield and each one brings something unique to the team.
Yes, it is absolutely because he's a Liverpool player
Sorry, I'm a really old skool fan who allows himself to be bitter, irrational and downright horrible when it comes to our most hated rivals. In the old days on this forum we used to allow lots of mud slinging between united and rival fans and it was also allowed to be mindless, herperbolic and daft. I am not talking here about hate speech - but good old fashioned football rivallry stuff which didn't require any fact checking. Back when United were good, the liverpool fans on here used to claim Ferguson and Gill sent brown envelopes of cash to the FA / Referees etc in order to get favourable decisions.
hahahaha
PD: he also is a ginger, argie with long scottish roots...that's too much I must agree.
Endo and the kids too, thought the kids are still too rusty.
BTW Endo it's such a likeable player and he is like a pac man with some very good feet too. They have completely overload their mid and if by any chance they recover Chiesa, they had add a classic offensive mid to the mix and they are not in a hurry to do so.
Indeed. Weird as it is, Jorg Schmadtke actually turned out to do an incredible job for the year he was with us.
Don’t think anyone saw that coming.
I don’t rate Szoboszlai - but agree on the other two. Would have been interesting to see if Gravenberch would have recovered from a poor season like he did - but in terms of MacAllister - he would have definitely improved us an awful lot
Szoboszlai is great. His pace, power and stamina are great assets. Has a great shot and good technical ability too.
He's not "great" or you have a low bar. He's a competent, good midfielder.
Of course the fee was higher that reported. It's the usual spin from the their friends and supporters in the media.
It's also the same spin when it comes to wages. It's always player X at United is on 300k a week and player Y is on 80k at Liverpool.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/crewwx4rjvjo
United official accounts.
It's also the same spin when it comes to wages. It's always player X at United is on 300k a week and player Y is on 80k at Liverpool.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/crewwx4rjvjo
United official accounts.
Competent or good?
All of them would have improved Man Utd.
YET, you don't really capitalize on a player like Alexis if he ONLY went to United and at least the other mids (and players in general) don't somehow get what he brings, meaning: a leader regarding when to go, when to hold, where to stand and respect him.
I dunno if Bruno would, logically because Alexis it's not Messi (him it's the reason that he instantly clik in the NT, Lio recognized his intelligence at first glance and gave him the nod of aprovall to all the other more rock and roll fellas like De Paul to take note and not only accept, but constantly integrate him). He is not a huge name and Bruno already has a very big name and his style, like it or leave it, it's pretty much on the other side of the road of Macca's one, if they can compliment? it can be great, having both styles it's always great.
Casemiro would dig Macca? absolutely, yet this current Case it's not former all timer Case. If Case was fit like when he arrived, yes that could work better with him and Bruno.
Alexis is a very unsellfish player, regarding everything, from doing various tasks during matches, to whatever the coach asks him, yet with quite a character. He won't look to the bench to ask for permission to attack and maybe leaving his initial task of mostly take the ball from the back.
He won't ask, nor questioned if he makes tactical fouls, or complains to his mates. This is because he was correctly made fun by his mates by calling him Jurgen's son, well know he is also Slot's son and it's because of that.
It's rare to have such a clever, allrounder that completes the task assigned but at the same time it's not a robot, has blood in his veins, reads the game himself and does what it's not planned initianlly to try to save the moment.
Grav at first, Slobo too, due to their physical prowess, the Rock n Roll characteristic aspect of Pool and their talent, tried too much to improvise, to get loose. That lead to be less tidy, know both kids know that Macca it's not there to take the spotlight of anyone, on contrair, he is going to help you to get that spotlight, he'll shout at you when thinks you are being silly, he'll let you know what the game needs at a certain point, yet like coaches with him, he'll let you be and provide: clean balls, a lifeboat to rest, etc...
That is what makes the three (plus Endo) so complete right now, in current form they all know now their place. Does Macca want more return balls like this last goal when he goes? yes, but it's not a huge issue as long the team wins and others score.
Liverpool it's still too much rock n roll: Trent, Henderson, Curtis, Bradley, Lucho, Darwin, etc...all of them are more prone to react, to go, than be more patient. If Virgil, Grav and Macca does not slow down (like Slobo it's also currently doing too, being all over, yet with more patience) the team looses its form. Virgil and Macca call the shots regarding form and control, so Macca alone in this current Man Utd? with Harry instead of Virgil, with Bruno rapid fire, with Garnacho/ Amad alike players (thought he is used to that with Lucho, Darwin, Jota) constantly taking risks but without the maturity of current Mo? dunno if he'll instanly fix everything. Ugarte certainly would love him for sure. It would depend too much of the ones already in Man Utd to actually understand him and take note of what he asks and do, like thsi amtes in Pool do.
PD: BTW If Pool at some point adds a more light, rapid dribbler off mid, a la Aimar, maybe the expect to find it with Chiesa, they can hit even new heights given the polivalency of their current mid.
PD2: sorry for the long post
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Clearly the guy who hired him did
Yeah that's fecking annoying especially when we were linked with two of those three.
Do you have a premier league team you follow? Just asking as I’ve seen lots of your posts and I’m trying to work out where your allegiances lie!
Not really, but I do sympathyse more with Man Utd than any other Club.
Overall yes. Been great since Christmas though. If he keeps it up, he's potentially the best of the three.
This it's in no way not getting questioning Solobo or your taste and I do think that Slobo is younger, more powerful, great stamina, technique and a great shot, probably more appealing for the typical box to box style from EPL that will end scoring more goals in the future, yet better than Mac Allister as a player?, yet I totally get that specially for Pool fans someone closer to a Gerrard can be more appealing.
At the same time I trully believe many Pool fans don't get what you have in your hands with the Ginger one.
I think all pool fans recognise that he's our best midfielder.
It's not sacrilege to suggest someone else could have a higher ceiling.
I dunno man about the first and I didn't say that it's sacriledge, not at all, because everyone has its own taste and predilections.
Yet I've noticed that some characteristics are more appealing, specially in the context of the EPL and also in Pool in particular to think in the line of what you've said.
Sthg. similar happened to him in Brighton, with some people even saying prior to his transfer to Pool that Caicedo (I'm really fond of Caicedo BTW, just in case) was 10 times the player and such. Also since he has been deployed further from the rival's area, that prevents him for scoring and assist more, that helps quite a lot in terms of praise. Numbers always makes any player shine brighter.
I have the sensation that in Barca, City and to some extent Madrid a player like Macca would be more praised, apreciatted? dunno what word fits better.
It's not a sacriledge at all your opinion, yet Alexis is already a WC winner, a Copa America one, he managed to excel and control games while playing with lesser teams like Brighton (specially against the big boys), while he already had a great prior season in Pool where he played great on every change of role/task Jurgen asigned to him and basicly he makes everyone around better.
From Caicedo, to Enzo, to Slobo, Grav and even release from some burden a fella like Messi. And to add, he is quite clutch in big situations.
So his ceiling it's right now pretty high in terms of achievements, atributes and form since quite some time, he is a 7/ 8 points perfomance player time and again, no matter the particular role or task assigned.
That is very fecking rare, even if he is not a Messi, a Lothar or a Rikjaard alike freak.
Above I was questioning that him alone can fix Man Utd, I don't think so, given how United is now and the type of players around, but I have very little doubt that Pep would have loved to have him right now, that is a team that even in disarray he would have fixed tons of their issues in a minute.
I didn't fancy him that much when in Boca, yet everyday after his departure he added a new layer to his game and he has become one of those players that are rare. That has a level of understanding of the game and all around atributes that makes him more special than many seem to grab. For me it's not a mistery why he was De Zerbi's, Jurgen's, Slot's boy and Scaloni tried him and never looked back since. He is fecking really special, I hope that he wins more titles in his carreer that helps to gain him the apreciation he deserves.
PD: Guess today it's my rant day, maybe it's because I'm avoiding work, sorry for that man.
Yeah, no fanboying at all.
I like a lot the dude, I think that he is mostly underappreciated for many of the reasons I gave, you can share them, or clearly not.
Yet when I've said that I'm not a fanboy, it was in the sense that I'm not Speed, or that I like to trash players in order to give merit to others I like more or that I don't need for a player to even be from my Club to really dig him and such type of stuff.
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Dude, the "I see why Liverpool fans might appreciate someone more physical " was not only tremendously patronising,but basically the rant of a spurned fanboi.
I love Alexis, I think he's world class and except for rodri probably the most well rounded midfielder in the game. I like him more than szoboszlai.
Szoboszlai is not better than him but he could be, simply because he's more technically gifted, covers more ground, is himself a very tactically savvy midfielder, and he's faster and physically stronger.
He's justified his place in the squad over the past year with his work off the ball and tactical value, whilst his technical ability has suffered a prolonged dip of confidence. That looks to be coming back to him, which gives him an incredibly high ceiling.
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Well man, I didn't intended to be patronizing, so trust me, you can leave the dude aside.
It was just an observation (that's not even truth in itself, it's a sensation I have) given what I've seen in social media, forums and such of how more dinamic, powerful and with more physical presence players tend to be more easily liked in the EPL and also maybe a bit more in Pool that has such an Icon in Stevie G and Jurgen's rock n Roll.
Sthg. that BTW even in your very own post it's pretty clear: "covers more ground, is himself a very tactically savvy midfielder, and he's faster and physically stronger". It's just that, a question of prefference, of finding certain atributes or aspects more appealing, wasn't that bad of an observation given what you've just wrote, so come on, why getting annoyed by that and thinking it's patronizing?.
And from the point of view I was talking and the observation I've mentioned above, It doesn't matter if you like Alexis more right now, if you like him more in current form, it still seems that you (and many) preffer a player of the characteristics you find in Slobo and look more keen to find those more attractive. And this is leaving aside if Slobo it's actually more technically gifted or even stronger in certain aspects (he certainly is more powerful and faster), those are aspects that we might agree to disagree to some extent.
I'm more fond of other type of mid Alexis is, when comes to be in charge of the tactical disposition and shape of a team. I find him to be quite special in such regard, even rare (also because of how he covers for his physical deficiencies, more than anything pace).
I found his intelligence, reading, retention, passing, positioning and even timing and spatial awarness to attack or defend, more appealing than Slobo's best atributes that you've mentioned before, while of course agreeing that this doesn't make Slobo a headless chicken player and he is quite savvy tactically.
Finally when I talked about Alexis past, it was due to actually put in the table that he already achieved quite a high ceiling for any player no matter how great Slobo it's right now or even showed glimpses in the past when he lack a bit of confidence like you've said.
The future looks bright right now for him, yet it's already quite a task ahead given Alexis CV and regularity in pulling out good to great perfomances.
This is where I feel sometimes Alexis still doesn't get the credit I think he deserves as a player since quite a time, even before Pool in Brighton, so that might get the appearence that his ceiling, that what he already achieved, it's not that much. Also he is older and he won't find pace in his future, yet it seems that there is some notion that he can't even improve.
It happens a lot with the Ginger, his mates tend to have it easier to get praise and I feel it's more due to his more subtle appraach, his lack of pace/size and sometimes less fancy tasks than anything else. It happened to him in the NT, in Brighton, in Pool, it's just my sensation. You can agree or not, yet it's not patronizing at all.
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Szoboszlai is not more technically gifted than Mac Allister, he’s the least technically gifted out of him Macallister and Gravenberch.
I think it’s fine lines. They’re all very gifted, it’s just taken Szoboszlai and Gravenberch a season to find their way. Mac Allister is obviously a more fully-formed player having arrived at the club an established international with a huge reputation.
He's an argie and they just went Copa-WC-Copa with MacAllister being one of their best players
If england won the Euros you'd have showed up at the bernabeu offering Jude free bjs for life let's be honest here
Think as a Dutchman this is my cue to chime in and say Gravenberch is clearly the best of the 3...
But as he played for Ajax, I won't. Overrated Ajax scouse cnut.
Nah.
He's had a very prolonged dip of confidence in his technical ability for over a year but the player that arrived had a better shot and was a better passer. Gravenberch touch is immaculate so that part I'll give to him.
No problem saying that he's not shown more technical ability than either for the majority of their Liverpool career.
It's honestly been a bit weird. He arrived as a 10, dead ball specialist and creator and then morphed into a water carrier whose main assets were his off the ball work who was really timid and ponderous in the final third. Lately he's begun tying it all together into a really complete player.
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Really think we have three midfielders in the process of building themselves into world class players (Mac Allister already is).
Someone complained a while back that this team shouldn't be as good as it is. I think in a few years, when they have a more established body of work, it'll look a lot less strange in hindsight how slot was able to cruise to a title in his first season.
We got the midfield recruitment really really right that summer. Even if Gravenberch looked like a busted flush in his first season and szoboszlai has taken a strange path of progression into a complete midfielder.
I would say he's the second best midfielder in the pl after rodri.
More into Southgate as long as he kept his waistcoat on. Though I'd probably be queuing behind you!He's an argie and they just went Copa-WC-Copa with MacAllister being one of their best players
If england won the Euros you'd have showed up at the bernabeu offering Jude free bjs for life let's be honest here