Alexandre Lacazette

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BBRBB said:
You are indeed very funny.

Lyon will stay a top French team and medium European force long after Leicester finds its way back to championship. Talk about being relevant.
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If Dugarry can play for Birmingham city. This one season wonder can play for Leicester. Who do you think Lyon are compared to The premier league lol. He'd go to Swansea if they was in Leicester's position right now.
 
Mainoldo said:
If Dugarry can play for Birmingham city. This one season wonder can play for Leicester. Who do you think Lyon are compared to The premier league lol. He'd go to Swansea if they was in Leicester's position right now.
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Are you calling Lacazette a one season wonder?
 
Mainoldo said:
That's what I said.
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He is more of a three season wonder. He will score 20 or more goals this season which means he would have scored over 20 goals in each of the last three seasons. He scored 31 last season btw. I am sure he will score more goals if he moves to a better team as well. I am not saying he is a £50m player but he is up there with the best young strikers in Europe currently.
 
BBRBB said:
Lyon is a club, Premier League is a league.
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I think he meant which team Lyon are similar to in the Premier League, in terms of stature they'd probably have the pulling power of a top six club in the PL in terms of history and current quality, they've been massively unlucky with injuries this year which has held them back a little bit too, Fekir has been a huge loss.
 
Mainoldo said:
Any mid table club up in the EPL is more attractive than playing for Lyon to someone of the quality of Lacazette.
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In France Lyon is considered a way bigger club than Tottenham for example, of course that may not be the same for foreigners.

People are deluded if they think players join midtable EPL clubs rather than the likes of Lyon, Marseille, Leverkusen, Sevilla or Fiorentina for anything but money.

They take the first plane to China as easily if you double their wages.
 
BBRBB said:
In France Lyon is considered a way bigger club than Tottenham for example, of course that may not be the same for foreigners.

People are deluded if they think players join midtable EPL clubs rather than the likes of Lyon, Marseille, Leverkusen, Sevilla or Fiorentina for anything but money.

They take the first plane to China as easily if you double their wages.
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No not questioning that at all. You've named some big clubs. Even though name wise the prem has a lot of big mid table clubs too. Just the current climate, but our league has been like this for a decade now.
 
RDCR07 said:
He is more of a three season wonder. He will score 20 or more goals this season which means he would have scored over 20 goals in each of the last three seasons. He scored 31 last season btw. I am sure he will score more goals if he moves to a better team as well. I am not saying he is a £50m player but he is up there with the best young strikers in Europe currently.
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Is he though? Could probably name 6 strikers under 25 I'd rather have.
 
RDCR07 said:
He is more of a three season wonder. He will score 20 or more goals this season which means he would have scored over 20 goals in each of the last three seasons. He scored 31 last season btw. I am sure he will score more goals if he moves to a better team as well. I am not saying he is a £50m player but he is up there with the best young strikers in Europe currently.
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He is good but not good enough for the top clubs in Europe to really go for him. His best bet is a top 6 club or a smaller club overachieving like Leicester have this season.
 
Mainoldo said:
Is he though? Could probably name 6 strikers under 25 I'd rather have.
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Go on...

I think he's outscored all but Lukaku and Kane among the U25 strikers in Spain/Germany/England/France/Italy this season (and has more goals than either of them across the last three years as a whole).
 
Infra-red said:
Go on...

I think he's outscored all but Lukaku and Kane among the U25 strikers in Spain/Germany/England/France/Italy this season (and has more goals than either of them across the last three years as a whole).
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Martial, Lukaku, Kane, Dybala, icardi. That's 5 and there's probably a few undeveloped youngsters I would have over him to. I just don't think he's that good. He's doing well in an okay league. But to think he can be good enough for the level we need to be and other clubs around that level. Not having it.
 
Mainoldo said:
Martial, Lukaku, Kane, Dybala, icardi. That's 5 and there's probably a few undeveloped youngsters I would have over him to. I just don't think he's that good. He's doing well in an okay league. But to think he can be good enough for the level we need to be and other clubs around that level. Not having it.
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I think that he is "only" a good player but Lukaku or Icardi are not better even Martial today isn't better.

PS: Did you forgot Griezmann or you don't think that he is a striker?
 
Mainoldo said:
Martial, Lukaku, Kane, Dybala, icardi. That's 5 and there's probably a few undeveloped youngsters I would have over him to. I just don't think he's that good. He's doing well in an okay league. But to think he can be good enough for the level we need to be and other clubs around that level. Not having it.
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I think we can leave Martial out of this since we are yet to decide if he is an out and out striker or left winger. Secondly Dybala has 18 goals this year. If Lacazette is a one season wonder, then so is he for now! I know how talented Dybala is and that he has bags of potential but Im just going by your logic.

Also Icardi? He is good but the stats say he isn't better than Lacazette. Icardi has 13, 27 and 9 goals in the last three years while Lacazette has 18, 31 and 22 goals in the same three year period. The difference between Lukaku and Lacazette comes down to just preference for different people. Lukaku has 25, 20 and 16 goals again in the same three year period. Although I admit he will be scoring close to 30 goals consistently from here on in especially if he moves to a bigger team. And again over the last 3 years Lacazette has outscored every single player you have mentioned.
 
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RDCR07 said:
I think we can leave Martial out of this since we are yet to decide if he is an out and out striker or left winger. Secondly Dybala has 18 goals this year. If Lacazette is a one season wonder, then so is he for now! I know how talented Dybala is and that he has bags of potential but Im just going by your logic.

Also Icardi? He is good but the stats say he isn't better than Lacazette. Icardi has 13, 27 and 9 goals in the last three years while Lacazette has 18, 31 and 22 goals in the same three year period. The difference between Lukaku and Lacazette comes down to just preference for different people. Lukaku has 25, 20 and 16 goals again in the same three year period. Although I admit he will be scoring close to 30 goals consistently from here on in especially if he moves to a bigger team. And again over the last 3 years Lacazette has outscored every single player you have mentioned.
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I can't argue with his stats. It was wrong to say he is a one season wonder. But I would still prefer the names I chose over him as I think he is average. He wouldn't come here and score them type of goals (well no one would under LVG) however the others i have named I can see having better careers at the top and are more talented.

To me he is as good as a Loca Remy. I might check his stats at Marseille.
 
Mainoldo said:
I can't argue with his stats. It was wrong to say he is a one season wonder. But I would still prefer the names I chose over him as I think he is average. He wouldn't come here and score them type of goals (well no one would under LVG) however the others i have named I can see having better careers at the top and are more talented.

To me he is as good as a Loca Remy. I might check his stats at Marseille.
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Funnily enough his stats are the last thing that he developed, Lacazette has been a good footballer from day one but for some reason he wasn't really prolific, a bit like Aubameyang.
 
JPRouve said:
Funnily enough his stats are the last thing that he developed, Lacazette has been a good footballer from day one but for some reason he wasn't really prolific, a bit like Aubameyang.
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He was playing on the wing until 2 years ago. That explains the stats.
 
RDCR07 said:
He is more of a three season wonder. He will score 20 or more goals this season which means he would have scored over 20 goals in each of the last three seasons. He scored 31 last season btw.
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I just want to clarify his league goal scoring record:

this season (6 games remaining): 16 (Ibra is currently on 30)
last season: 27
season before: 15

RDCR07 said:
I am sure he will score more goals if he moves to a better team as well. I am not saying he is a £50m player but he is up there with the best young strikers in Europe currently.
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And with regards to moving to a better team: he may score a decent number of goals, but under LVG he will likely score less.
Is he worth £50M? No way. £30M is fair value, for a decent (not great) striker with no EPL experience. Lukaku would be worth £50M as he is a similar age, with a proven goal scoring record in the EPL.
 
RDCR07 said:
I think we can leave Martial out of this since we are yet to decide if he is an out and out striker or left winger. Secondly Dybala has 18 goals this year. If Lacazette is a one season wonder, then so is he for now! I know how talented Dybala is and that he has bags of potential but Im just going by your logic.

Also Icardi? He is good but the stats say he isn't better than Lacazette. Icardi has 13, 27 and 9 goals in the last three years while Lacazette has 18, 31 and 22 goals in the same three year period. The difference between Lukaku and Lacazette comes down to just preference for different people. Lukaku has 25, 20 and 16 goals again in the same three year period. Although I admit he will be scoring close to 30 goals consistently from here on in especially if he moves to a bigger team. And again over the last 3 years Lacazette has outscored every single player you have mentioned.
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Would I be wrong to say that Serie A is much better defensively than Ligue 1? And that Premier League is just generally a lot stronger all round. I don't think you can compare those stats like for like tbh. But I also don't really care either.
 
simonhch said:
Would I be wrong to say that Serie A is much better defensively than Ligue 1? And that Premier League is just generally a lot stronger all round. I don't think you can compare those stats like for like tbh. But I also don't really care either.
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Well you can also argue Spanish league is not as competitive as Premier League except for three good teams so what Ronaldo and Messi are doing arent exceptional? What Lewandowski is doing in the German League doesnt really count because its practically a one team league? You can only score against who are playing.
 
simonhch said:
Would I be wrong to say that Serie A is much better defensively than Ligue 1? And that Premier League is just generally a lot stronger all round. I don't think you can compare those stats like for like tbh. But I also don't really care either.
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Yes. Serie A is nothing special when it comes to defending. I don't think there's much between the two Leagues honestly. In fact a lot of players who leave Ligue 1 end up doing really well in England, Germany or Italy. Lacazette would score similar amounts of goals anywhere else outside of France, I'm sure.
 
simonhch said:
Would I be wrong to say that Serie A is much better defensively than Ligue 1? And that Premier League is just generally a lot stronger all round. I don't think you can compare those stats like for like tbh. But I also don't really care either.
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It's difficult to score in Ligue 1, generally when a player is able to score goals in Ligue 1 he replicates it everywhere.
 
BBRBB said:
In France Lyon is considered a way bigger club than Tottenham for example, of course that may not be the same for foreigners.

People are deluded if they think players join midtable EPL clubs rather than the likes of Lyon, Marseille, Leverkusen, Sevilla or Fiorentina for anything but money.

They take the first plane to China as easily if you double their wages.
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Lots have haven't they? It's not just about the money I guess but playing for mid table or lower table clubs in England seems to be more attractive than playing for other clubs. Marseille were in Europa but lost Andre ayew Dimitri payet and florian thauvin to mid table clubs (based on last year - Newcastle mind you finished 17th so not even a mid table side). The previous year season gomis iirc went from Lyon to Swansea on a free. This is not even counting those guys Aston villa (who barely escaped relegation themselves) bought from Lille nice and all. Mind you I don't know if a lot of players transfer to similar clubs elsewhere too.
 
prath92 said:
Lots have haven't they? It's not just about the money I guess but playing for mid table or lower table clubs in England seems to be more attractive than playing for other clubs. Marseille were in Europa but lost Andre ayew Dimitri payet and florian thauvin to mid table clubs (based on last year - Newcastle mind you finished 17th so not even a mid table side). The previous year season gomis iirc went from Lyon to Swansea on a free. This is not even counting those guys Aston villa (who barely escaped relegation themselves) bought from Lille nice and all. Mind you I don't know if a lot of players transfer to similar clubs elsewhere too.
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Andre Ayew and Payet wanted to stay but Marseille "couldn't afford" them, the current owner wants to sell and they are trying to make the club as cheap as possible. As for Gomis, Lyon has spent 2 years trying to get rid of him and he refused.
Nice wanted to rebuild their academy and the money was great, Nantes are a mid to low table club, Lille don't have any money.
 
JPRouve said:
It's difficult to score in Ligue 1, generally when a player is able to score goals in Ligue 1 he replicates it everywhere.
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I think generally the physicality in Ligue 1 is higher than most, you have a lot of quick and strong defenders who may not always be positionally smart but are tough to play against. If you have the ability to match that as a striker you can score lots of goals. I think it's why it translates well to England too, we like similar styles of players, more about individual ability than the shape/structure of a team to defend.
 
Let's get him! He won't stay at Lyon for another season. Quality player who could probably solve striker and winger problem in one go. Although him and Griezmann would be brilliant
 
Adisa said:
I don't think we have to get rid of anybody to make room. We are short of numbers in attack.
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Would cost a bundle though surely and be a default starter? I'd like to bring someone in to ease the pressure on Rashford, but not permanently bench him.
 
Im not sure his profile is high enough to warrant a guaranteed starting place, but he could play 60% of the games upfront, leaving Rashford with 40% which I think is a decent amount for his age.

Potentially Lacazette could also play on the right, playing a similar game to Martial.

I've only watched his highlights on youtube, but his game looks similar to Tevez, a lot of hussle. I think he'd do well in the premier league - looks like he can mix it and is direct.
 
It seems he's back again to inform. He's not world class but he will be a good and realistic choice depend on how much Lyon is going to sell him. I rate him as good as Bony at the moment and he can share games with Rashford 50:50. It's not like we have the power to sign world class striker like Griezmann and Harry Kane this summer and even if we do, Rashford will not be able to get enough chance and we are just wasting his talent.
 
Mike09 said:
It seems he's back again to inform. He's not world class but he will be a good and realistic choice depend on how much Lyon is going to sell him. I rate him as good as Bony at the moment and he can share games with Rashford 50:50. It's not like we have the power to sign world class striker like Griezmann and Harry Kane this summer and even if we do, Rashford will not be able to get enough chance and we are just wasting his talent.
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As good as Bony!? Jesus Christ I hope he will be a little better than that!
 
Ubik said:
Would cost a bundle though surely and be a default starter? I'd like to bring someone in to ease the pressure on Rashford, but not permanently bench him.
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Don't think he'll permanently bench him.
 
Devil may care said:
An older striker would be better for us I think.
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Lacazette is 24/25. Right age imo. The fact he's also comfortable on the wing is a plus. Don't think he will shut Rashford out. If Zlatan came here, he'd expect to play all the time. Zlatan doesn't do bench roles.
 
Adisa said:
Lacazette is 24/25. Right age imo. The fact he's also comfortable on the wing is a plus. Don't think he will shut Rashford out. If Zlatan came here, he'd expect to play all the time. Zlatan doesn't do bench roles.
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At that age he'll want to be a regular for the long term and I don't think he's very good out wide, his two best seasons have come as a #9. I'd just rather we bought a stop gap striker and a proper wide forward.
 
Geordopolous said:
As good as Bony!? Jesus Christ I hope he will be a little better than that!
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Like who? Bony was a top scorer at Eredivisie before he moved to Swansea. He scored 17 league goals in his first season at Swansea. Can you name me any non world class striker who is better than that?
 
As much as I like him, I'd prefer Tolisso or Umtiti from Lyon. When things weren't going well during the first part of their season, they were Lyon's better players. Lacazette was nowhere to be seen during that period and conveniently picked up form again, when the whole team did.
 
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