[VP89]

Mason Mount has 1 goal and 0 assists in 37 appearances for us. What am I missing here? He's even more of a nothing player now than he was before his injuries. I don't dislike him but if he was any good he'd walk into this team right now. The fact he doesn't tells you everything you need to know.

What you're missing is that his appearances are broken up with riddled injuries and not representative of what he's very capable (and established in his career) to produce under a proper run of games.

I dont know why we are micro debating this, the point is that Garnacho is our weakest option in the 10. Mount shouldn't be qualified in the narrative because of injuries, but he's worse than Zirkzee, Bruno, Amad and Mainoo in these roles.

 

[TwoSheds]

What you're missing is that his appearances are broken up with riddled injuries and not representative of what he's very capable (and established in his career) to produce under a proper run of games.

I dont know why we are micro debating this, the point is that Garnacho is our weakest option in the 10. Mount shouldn't be qualified in the narrative because of injuries, but he's worse than Zirkzee, Bruno, Amad and Mainoo in these roles.

Go on then, what is he very capable of?

 

[VP89]

Go on then, what is he very capable of?

I've already explained in previous posts. You can look up what he did in his career too. This isn't rocket science.

 

[TwoSheds]

I've already explained in previous posts. You can look up what he did in his career too. This isn't rocket science.

You've explained that he's better than Garnacho because reasons but actually he's not better than Garnacho so pretend I never said that and let's talk about some other people that are arguably not really better than Garnacho but that I like more so that's nice I suppose.

 

[VP89]

You've explained that he's better than Garnacho because reasons but actually he's not better than Garnacho so pretend I never said that and let's talk about some other people that are arguably not really better than Garnacho but that I like more so that's nice I suppose.

No I haven't. Hes proven in his career under a good run of games to be better in those departments. You're now just arguing for the sake of arguing.

 

[Frank White]

His assists would be much higher if we had good finishers. In last game alone, he could've 3 assists but wasted by incompetent finishing.

Let's not pretend that's a normal Garnacho performance though. His assist would be much higher if he also learnt to pass instead of ignoring his team mates or taking pot shots from ridiculous positions. He did it last game and rightfully got the plaudits for it, hopefully it carries on and it wasn't just a one off.

 

[stretford ender58]

Garnacho needs to have the right influences at this time, and I believe he must look only to Bruno and maybe Casemiro for guidance. Bruno for what he has been doing week in week out for the past 5 years, and Casemiro for understanding what he needs to do to reach the levels of those like Ronaldo (whom he also idolises).

I really like the kid, and I want him to be a grand success here. Hopefully Amorim will sort out the attitude.

 

[TwoSheds]

No I haven't. Hes proven in his career under a good run of games to be better in those departments. You're now just arguing for the sake of arguing.

His best season he had 12 goals and 11 assists in 46 games. Something like that anyway. Once it happened. James Beattie had a better season than that. He's been fecked over by injuries ever since pretty much, there's absolutely no evidence to say he's better than Garnacho or even ever was.

 

[Quagmaguire]

Let's not pretend that's a normal Garnacho performance though. His assist would be much higher if he also learnt to pass instead of ignoring his team mates or taking pot shots from ridiculous positions. He did it last game and rightfully got the plaudits for it, hopefully it carries on and it wasn't just a one off.

Nearly every one of Garnacho's assists have been cut back crosses.

He has been doing them ever since he got back in to the first team after being dropped alongside with Rashford. I've literally counted them because they are my favourite action of any United player except Bruno and Amad who have much more variety to their play.

Garnacho has been doing these crosses nearly every game.

Sometimes the cross doesn't reach the centre of penalty area not because Garnacho lacks the accuracy but he lacks the timing so crosses in to the oppositions leg.

However, the cut back cross can be reliant on him getting in behind the defence in the first place so actually requires a good pass itself to get himself In behind. He then makes a very good rolling ball across the penalty area for someone to smash in.

Garnacho is not creative as an attacking midfielder but he is more an old school winger in how he creates chances and is why many people are wondering why Amorim hasn't used him as a wingback. For such a defensive system consistent of 8 defensive players, having one attacking wingback shouldn't technically be an issue.

 

[VP89]

His best season he had 12 goals and 11 assists in 46 games. Something like that anyway. Once it happened. James Beattie had a better season than that. He's been fecked over by injuries ever since pretty much, there's absolutely no evidence to say he's better than Garnacho or even ever was.

Its quite tiresome to see posters only post goals and assists and assume everything.

Also correct me of I'm wrong but it's actually 30 goal contributions in 50 games (12 goals, 17 assists). Which is better than any season garnacho has shown. He was Chelseas player of the year for two seasons running and I think he was 22 when he hit those heights.

So when I say Garnacho is not a better finisher, or better at linkup play or better technically than mount it's based on what Mount was capable of at the same age with a proper run of games.

As I said, he should be disqualified from any current comparison because of his injuries, it's just not a fair test to assume garnacho would be better than a fully fit mount. The poster however was clutching at straws so they must have thrown Mounts name in for effect.

 

[TwoSheds]

Its quite tiresome to see posters only post goals and assists and assume everything.

Also correct me of I'm wrong but it's actually 30 goal contributions in 50 games (12 goals, 17 assists). Which is better than any season garnacho has shown. He was Chelseas player of the year for two seasons running and I think he was 22 when he hit those heights.

So when I say Garnacho is not a better finisher, or better at linkup play or better technically than mount it's based on what Mount was capable of at the same age with a proper run of games.

As I said, he should be disqualified from any current comparison because of his injuries, it's just not a fair test to assume garnacho would be better than a fully fit mount. The poster however was clutching at straws so they must have thrown Mounts name in for effect.

I won't correct you because I don't think it matters but Garnacho isn't 22. Mount was on loan at Derby at 20 I think. And Mount was great at free kicks but take set pieces out of his tally and they're very average stats. He wasn't a bad player but he really wasn't that good. He's now even less good which is why he can't displace fairly average players like Garnacho from the team.

 

[Quagmaguire]

Its quite tiresome to see posters only post goals and assists and assume everything.

Also correct me of I'm wrong but it's actually 30 goal contributions in 50 games (12 goals, 17 assists). Which is better than any season garnacho has shown. He was Chelseas player of the year for two seasons running and I think he was 22 when he hit those heights.

So when I say Garnacho is not a better finisher, or better at linkup play or better technically than mount it's based on what Mount was capable of at the same age with a proper run of games.

As I said, he should be disqualified from any current comparison because of his injuries, it's just not a fair test to assume garnacho would be better than a fully fit mount. The poster however was clutching at straws so they must have thrown Mounts name in for effect.

If Mount is recovering we should sell him quicker than Garnacho.

Interestingly Mount has a season with 5 G&A, a season with 11G&A, a 12G&A season.

Garnacho at the age of 20 has beat or matched 2 seasons of Mount, has matched Mounts number in another season minus one assist. Mount has trumped Garnacho's stats in only one season.

Garnacho is 20 & has matching numbers to a 250,000 k weekly player that cost us 60mil pounds.

The guy is Phil Jones and we need to get him out of our books ASAP.

Mount is worse for us than Garnacho & the only reason Garnacho is valuable to our pocket is because he is actually worth something unlike Mason Mount.

We are the only club in the world willing to pay 60 million for Mason Mount. On the other hand we have a club financially weaker willing to spend 60 million on Garnacho.

I mean sure it's okay to talk about selling him because he as actually worth & would get us alot of money, but people or fans that act like he has no ability or value to be or grow to a good top player are just delusional to back their feeling of wanting him out.

 

[VP89]

I won't correct you because I don't think it matters but Garnacho isn't 22. Mount was on loan at Derby at 20 I think. And Mount was great at free kicks but take set pieces out of his tally and they're very average stats. He wasn't a bad player but he really wasn't that good. He's now even less good which is why he can't displace fairly average players like Garnacho from the team.

Im not saying Garnacho is 22. I know he's 20.

My point is both Mount and Garnacho were / are quite young and the former went on to be back to back player of the season with a better peak.

Mount was actually more polished than Garnacho in so many areas. He was multiples better in decision making, very good in tight areas, he wasn't selfish and he was a better finisher. Garnacho is a trier and he's direct but that skews the sentiment massively.

I'm not going to ignore free kicks and set pieces because that's a huge asset to a player. Mount was just better than Garnacho is, and if he had a run of games with us he'd probably have better stats than him too. It's a low bar to be honest.

 

[VP89]

If Mount is recovering we should sell him quicker than Garnacho.

Interestingly Mount has a season with 5 G&A, a season with 11G&A, a 12G&A season.

Garnacho at the age of 20 has beat or matched 2 seasons of Mount, has matched Mounts number in another season minus one assist. Mount has trumped Garnacho's stats in only one season.

Garnacho is 20 & has matching numbers to a 250,000 k weekly player that cost us 60mil pounds.

The guy is Phil Jones and we need to get him out of our books ASAP.

Mount is worse for us than Garnacho & the only reason Garnacho is valuable to our pocket is because he is actually worth it unlike Mason Mount.

You're making no sense. I'm not talking about Mount for United. He's always injured and can't get a run of games together. If the point is garnacho is better than a chronically injured player then great have at it. It's really not saying anything though.

 

[Quagmaguire]

You're making no sense. I'm not talking about Mount for United. He's always injured and can't get a run of games together. If the point is garnacho is better than a chronically injured player then great have at it. It's really not saying anything though.

I'm talking about Mount for Chelsea. Garnacho matches or beats Mounts 3 out of 4 Chelsea seasons at the age of 20.

 

[Rasmus_9]

The simple truth is that without Garnacho in our team we are extremely one dimensional, have no ball carriers and never look like scoring a goal. Hopefully when Amad is back we will have another such player but at the minute he is the first player on the team sheet for me

 

[VP89]

I'm talking about Mount for Chelsea. Garnacho matches or beats Mounts 3 out of 4 Chelsea seasons at the age of 20.

I ran the stats through chatgpt because this debate is tiresome - but Mount has better goal and assist contribution per 90 for Chelsea than Garna has for United, and that includes Mounts injury season for Chelsea where he couldn't really get momentum going.

But even though Mount has superior stats, that's not my point. He was a more polished player and had much better football IQ, which is a huge deal. As a 10 he's much more of a natural fit than Garnacho, under a big assumption of fitness.

 

[Quagmaguire]

I ran the stats through chatgpt because this debate is tiresome - but Mount has better goal and assist contribution per 90 for Chelsea than Garna has for United, and that includes Mounts injury season for Chelsea where he couldn't really get momentum going.

But even though Mount has superior stats, that's not my point. He was a more polished player and had much better football IQ, which is a huge deal. As a 10 he's much more of a natural fit than Garnacho, under a big assumption of fitness.

So? What makes me look at your stats I have stats also?

Garnacho still has matching and/or better stats throughout Mount's 3 out of 4 Chelsea seasons whilst :

A) playing with a striker like Hojlund
B) a manager like Ten Hag compared to Tuchel who took them to win the CL
C) is 20 years old
D) is not an attacking midfielder playing centrally as the main creator (Bruno's job pre Amorim)
E) Doesn't take Freekicks or Corners
F) Plays as an inverted forward but still matching 3/4 seasons of Mount in goal/assist output.

The way people try to tramp Garnacho is really weird.

He is very inconsistent but people act like he is useless when Mount is 26 and on a downward trajectory whilst Garnacho is 20 and has matched 3/4 Mounts best career seasons.

 

[VP89]

So? What makes me look at your stats I have stats also?

Garnacho still has matching and/or better stats throughout Mount's 3 out of 4 Chelsea seasons whilst :

A) playing with a striker like Hojlund
B) a manager like Ten Hag compared to Tuchel who took them to win the CL
C) is 20 years old
D) is not an attacking midfielder playing centrally as the main creator (Bruno's job pre Amorim)
E) Doesn't take Freekicks or Corners
F) Plays as an inverted forward but still matching 3/4 seasons of Mount in goal/assist output.

The way people try to tramp Garnacho is really weird.

He is very inconsistent but people act like he is useless when Mount is 26 and on a downward trajectory whilst Garnacho is 20 and has matched 3/4 Mounts best career seasons.

Im not even the one who brought up goals and asissts! You don't have any useful stats. You're taking out seasons to cherry pick a narrative.

If you want to look at goals and assists just be complete and look at Garnacho for United and Mount for Chelsea. Don't conveniently exclude a big season for Mount to paint a misleading picture - it's obvious what you're doing and adds zero value.

Also saying weird points like "doesn't take free kicks or corners", which is a funny one. You're punishing Mount for having a great delivery . The reason he took set pieces was because he was superb at them, another reason he was better than what Garnacho showed.

Mounts best season was off the right if I'm not mistaken by the way, I don't know what relevance point D has. Or point A considering garnacho constantly ignores strikers anyway.

Literally nothing you're saying makes sense. It's so clear Mount was a better player in general buildup, decision making, creativity and finishing. This is feck all to do with final goals and assists as that comes down to many variables (even then mount contributed more in his Chelsea career).

When someone claims Garna is a better 10 than a fully fit Mount it's clearly a steaming pile of bollocks.

Finally, no one is tramping on Garnacho. I'm just not going to make things up and pretend he's better than Mount was at Chelsea.

 

[Frank White]

The simple truth is that without Garnacho in our team we are extremely one dimensional, have no ball carriers and never look like scoring a goal. Hopefully when Amad is back we will have another such player but at the minute he is the first player on the team sheet for me

We never look like scoring with him either, our attack is awful and he's been a big part of the attack this season.

 

[Doracle]

So? What makes me look at your stats I have stats also?

Garnacho still has matching and/or better stats throughout Mount's 3 out of 4 Chelsea seasons whilst :

A) playing with a striker like Hojlund
B) a manager like Ten Hag compared to Tuchel who took them to win the CL
C) is 20 years old
D) is not an attacking midfielder playing centrally as the main creator (Bruno's job pre Amorim)
E) Doesn't take Freekicks or Corners
F) Plays as an inverted forward but still matching 3/4 seasons of Mount in goal/assist output.

The way people try to tramp Garnacho is really weird.

He is very inconsistent but people act like he is useless when Mount is 26 and on a downward trajectory whilst Garnacho is 20 and has matched 3/4 Mounts best career seasons.

Mount’s stats for Chelsea also start when he was 20, which is the age Garnacho is now, so it’s a bit of a pointless comparison. If his stats for a strong Chelsea team from 20-24 weren’t better than a 17-20 year old playing in this awful United team, it would be truly bizarre.

 

[fps]

Garnacho has the character and flair of a United player. He's very young and playing without a decent centre forward to play off. Of all United's attackers, apart from Fernandes, he's a United style attacker.

 

[AjaxCunian]

Mount’s stats for Chelsea also start when he was 20, which is the age Garnacho is now, so it’s a bit of a pointless comparison. If his stats for a strong Chelsea team from 20-24 weren’t better than a 17-20 year old playing in this awful United team, it would be truly bizarre.

Quite a few of Mounts output comes from set pieces, which aren't relevant here at United at all. We rarely score from corners and free kicks. Mount has basically no future here, not good enough and can't stay fit either.

 

[Ollie Derbyshire]

Quite a few of Mounts output comes from set pieces, which aren't relevant here at United at all. We rarely score from corners and free kicks. Mount has basically no future here, not good enough and can't stay fit either.

Not wanting to get into this Mount v Garnacho debate but you can’t say the highlighted. If he started regularly and created goals from these same situations, you’d tell the ref not to give them?? Let’s just take all set piece stats from the record books.

 

[Apokalips]

Garnacho is one of the last players that should be sold. He and Mainoo are players we need to nurture and build into the players we want to carry us forward in the future. Right now, both need to have minutes and responsibility reduced because they are young and inconsistent but they are amongst the best out there in their positions at their ages.

 

[AjaxCunian]

Not wanting to get into this Mount v Garnacho debate but you can’t say the highlighted. If he started regularly and created goals from these same situations, you’d tell the ref not to give them?? Let’s just take all set piece stats from the record books.

No it's more that Chelsea were good at it, and we are total crap at it and Bruno is our taker anyways.

He had a lot of output from set pieces there that he will not have here. It's no wonder he has about 2 goals/assists in 2 years here.

 

[honirelandboy]

Garnacho has better stats than Ronaldo im his first three seasons. Garnacho 41 goals or assists, Ronaldo 34 goals or assists.

 

[Hammondo]

Got onto the end of a lot of balls, but lacks the quality, worked hard though.

 

[Quagmaguire]

Played more overlapping balls with the wingback.

Shots were a bit better and not too drastically off target.

Not sure he has the ability to play through balls, but I really like his cut back crosses.

 

[criticalanalysis]

I've criticised him a lot but the last couple of games, he's at least tried to play with his head up.

Still frustrating as feck but it is what it is. We're relying far too much on a 20 year old. Arguably our MOTM simply because of his movement and willingness to do things.

 

[Idxomer]

I'm not a huge fan and wouldn't be against selling him. However, he's the best and most threatening attacker United have with Amad out and the stats back that up. People go overboard when they say he's rubbish or that players like Mount or Mainoo are better attackers without much evidence.

Today was another example of that. Even with an extra man, he was still the only player able to stretch Bournemouth's defence consistently.

 

[Bobski]

Think he has been a lot better recently with his awareness of others, that cut back has led to quite a few chances, still a long way to go but it is an improvement on just relentlessly spamming shots.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

He’s a squad player right now. We’d enjoy him more if he was coming off the bench against tired legs but circumstances has forced him to start

 

[Hammondo]

Played more overlapping balls with the wingback.

Shots were a bit better and not too drastically off target.

Not sure he has the ability to play through balls, but I really like his cut back crosses.

His touch let him down more than anything today. He made some good runs today and when the ball got to him, he just could not get it under control.

 

[Irwin99]

Thought he was our most dangerous player (very faint praise but still). Couple of decent shots and some good pull backs.

 

[Sylar]

He looked completely knackered. Surprised he played as much as he did today in a nothing game when midweek is much more important. He's a constant threat but lacks composure in front of goal. He gets into the right position and if he had that composure he would easily have tenplus more goals to his name

 

[Cassidy]

Overplayed

 

[lex talionis]

Better, but still lacking quality on the final ball.

 

[Danny]

Still the most dangerous player we have to get on the end of things or create from wide.

 

[talking robot]

Our chances in the semi finals will depend a lot on whether him and bruno are on their game are not.