Michael Carrick is a RED
Alas poor Carrick...WTF has happened?
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To see him make tackles was so good.
Thought he had a decent game, and was going to throw it all away with that penalty on Murphy.
Did pretty well, Dembele is a poor finisher, but a tricky bastard, and he didn't do a lot last night, though the ease with which he sped past Carrick at one stage was a bit upsetting.
Did pretty well, Dembele is a poor finisher, but a tricky bastard, and he didn't do a lot last night, though the ease with which he sped past Carrick at one stage was a bit upsetting.
He was decent. I don't think Giggs really compliments him well anymore in midfield. Has to be Scholes beside him.
Carrick. England. Period.
Hope not. Because I expect England to get steamrolled at some point and it's just going to not only be a summer without a break but, also a hit on his confidence.
Although with his current form and type of player he is - he should be starting for England.
His been on a break from England for years. Nothing better than seeing a United player represent the country, can't agree.
I think it would be good for him, he's got to feel a touch aggrieved that he's never been able to break into the England team, even when he and Scholes formed one of the best 2 man midfields the league has ever seen in 2006-7.
should be starting for his country but i don't think he will be selected. parker and barry will get the nod unfortunately.
nice summer rest for michael then. come back for us fresh for pre season which will be a good thing for us.
nice summer rest for michael then. come back for us fresh for pre season which will be a good thing for us.
parker and carrick could be decent.
Carrick should be in the England team playing as the anchor man in a 433.
Stylistically, given a decent opportunity and used in the right way I think that Carrick is very suited to international football. Imagine at 2014, him sitting with Wilshere and Cleverley pushing forwards.
Stylistically, given a decent opportunity and used in the right way I think that Carrick is very suited to international football. Imagine at 2014, him sitting with Wilshere and Cleverley pushing forwards.
I have a feeling he would have a good shout in getting the Euro call up.
Not if that nutjob Pearce is in charge.
Carrick can walk into Spain's side and easily slot in for Xabi Alonso or Busquets. Why can't he get into England's?
Same reason there are people saying grant holt should have a shout at the squad. People in england still haven't grasped the level of technique required to succeed internationally.
Carrick should be one of the first names on the team sheet for England, instead its likely he might end up behind Parker, Barry & Milner and thats before you even think about Wilshere being ready.
Carrick would get into most european sides but i can only assume the reason he can't get into the england line up is that he is too technical or continental for us..
I know, shame we never saw the likes of Rio and Rooney play for England
Michael Carrick, too technical.Well, I can't speak too much for the good old days, but 2006-7 is one of the best United teams of all time certainly. Some would probably say there were 20 midfield combinations before the 70s that are better than anything we've seen since. I'm sure there are several better, including Scholes and Keane, but I think those two were fantastic that year and the next, winning the double. Not many midfield pairs in England can say the won a league and European double.
Well you have to wonder how Barry and fat Frank, who are both been shiite this season, get in ahead of Carrick.
Sure you can wonder and based on this season even be bewildered. But Michael Carrick most certainly isn't too technical for England. Scholes dwarfs him in a football sense and even more so in a technical sense for one. Not to mention the likes of Rooney, Rio etc.
He's a good player, is Michael Carrick, and is having a good season. But he's not too technical for the better teams. And neither would he walk into the Spanish national side as someone above mentioned, laughably.
That's right up there with people thinking Fletcher would have been the catalyst for us beating Barcelona.
Yeah, I'd agree with this. He's a very good player and he's far better in the technical sense than players like Barry and Lampard, but we do need to be careful to avoid overrating him at all.
I suggested that he could slot in for Xabi Alonso or Sergio Busquets because he's so similar to both of them!
'The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.'
Darren Fletcher individually is not an amazing player, but he played a crucial role for us, and that too in midfield. Precisely the place where Barca completely dismantled us...so it is NOT that far fetched for people to say, a United that season, with a fit and in form Fletcher would have had a much better chance of stopping the Barca juggernaut than one without.
Also what is wrong with Carrick technically? He passes well with both feet, can play the short to middle range passes as well as the ball over the top. Doesn't score enough goals(doesn't shoot enough), but has a decent strike on him. The only thing he lacks 'technically' is the ability to beat his man off the dribble.
It's very very far fetched. We got destroyed by Barca, we were absolutely toyed with. There is no way Fletcher would have changed the result given other things remained the same.
Also, another reason why it is far fetched is because we employed the wrong tactics. Fletcher would just have been another one chasing shadows. If we sat back and parked the bus we would have had some sort of chance. And then of course Fletcher could have further helped our cause.
^Maybe the fact that we didn't have Fletcher changed our tactics. Without him, we just didn't have the midfield harrier in place to try and condense the pitch and attempt to park the bus.
In the end, none of it probably would have mattered, and Barca would still won, but to say United losing Fletcher for a big game(and remember he used to play all the big games, Chelsea, Arsenal etc etc) wouldn't have made a significant difference to our shape and play is strange.
In the end, none of it probably would have mattered, and Barca would still won, but to say United losing Fletcher for a big game(and remember he used to play all the big games, Chelsea, Arsenal etc etc) wouldn't have made a significant difference to our shape and play is strange.
That was the best season of Fletcher's career. He was oustanding in the previous leg. One of our best players. Ridiculous to imply his absence didn't weaken us against Barca.
Impossible to know if the result would have definitely been different but we'd have had a much better chance. The Barca side we played then was very beatable and we started the game all over them.
Impossible to know if the result would have definitely been different but we'd have had a much better chance. The Barca side we played then was very beatable and we started the game all over them.
Fletcher would have made a massive difference in the same way Hargreaves would have. There's more to it then chasing people. Fletcher knows how to defend properly in midfield, close of gaps etc, track your runners, which was exactly the thing that cost us in those games because we only had carrick who could properly defend there. I don't understand why people think you need to go like for like against barca, maybe formation wise but not in tactics. They'll always have more of the ball and so you need to make sure you're compact to with stand the pressure and then have the quality to counter. Without fletcher or Hargreaves for that matter, we lost the compactness and I think we also made some other bad choices player wise. We wouldn't be favourites with him but we'd have been a lot stronger if we did have him.
Against arsenal who he always does well against who are quite a bunch of wimps in comparison to barca. And noone suggested his absence didn't weaken us. You invented that one.
Also, I thought we were talking about last years final for some reason. The Fletcher absence was the difference thing was related to 09. My bad.
The Carrick walking into Spain's team comment is, however, silly. He'd have no chance of starting for them. Decent back-up, though. Be absolutely mental if he doesn't make the Euros squad for England.
Wondered what you were on about re: Barca walking all over us. They dominated the previous final yes but it was nowhere near as bad as last year. I definitely feel Fletcher could have helped in that game. He was firing on all cylinders and our midfield was brilliant with him in there. We were a poorer side without him.
Yeah that's fair enough. The midfield talent they have at their disposal atm is disgusting.
Xavi
Iniesta
Alonso
Fabregas
Just to name 4 from a long list of players, think they could put out 3-4 set of midfield pairings and they would still be better than the best England pairing.
Agreed. The Spanish team is far too technical for Carrick. He doesn't have the foot speed or dribbling ability to play the Busquets role. He could possibly do Alonso's job but then again the fact Alonso's technical skills are better trump him. With England though it's not that big of a problem and he deserves to be a starter much less part of the squad.
Busquets? He's one of their key midfielders, and the best in the world at what he does. Such jealousy I have for Barca and Spain.
Too many to list...so I just stopped at 4, but should have definitely listed Busquets too.
Carrick would walk in the Spanish side?
This is taking overrating your favourite player to a whole new level.
This is taking overrating your favourite player to a whole new level.
Learnings from this thread: we need a lot more spanish midfielders
You're all taking his statement the wrong way even after he's clarified it. He's saying he could slot into that Spain team instead of Alonso/Busquets, not necessarily ahead of them, because he plays a similar game and he wouldn't look out of place even if he doesn't do it quite as well.
Thank you, though I think he could do as good a job as them, at least based on this season's form.