Alarming statistics of David de Gea in our hammerings from this season so far, and last season

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Our hammerings last season (2021/2022):

Man Utd 0-5 Liverpool
8 attempts on target by Liverpool

Watford 4-1 Man Utd
7 attempts on target by Watford

Leicester 4-2 Man Utd
11 attempts on target by Leicester

Man City 4-1 Man Utd
10 attempts on target by City

Liverpool 4-0 Man Utd
5 attempts on target by Liverpool

Brighton 4-0 Man Utd
6 attempts on target by Brighton

47 attempts on target at David de Gea, 25 goals scored


Our hammerings so far this season (2022/2023):

Brentford 4-0 Man Utd
7 attempts on target by Brentford

Man City 6-3 Man Utd
10 attempts on target by City

Liverpool 7-0 Man Utd
8 attempts on target by Liverpool

25 attempts on target at David de Gea, 17 goals scored


Combined totals from last season’s hammerings, and this season’s hammerings:

72 attempts on target at David de Gea, 42 goals scored.
58.33% of the combined shots on target in the batterings have been goals, that is more than half!


Take out the hammering from Liverpool on Sunday, and the combined totals from the other hammerings read:

64 attempts on target at David de Gea, 35 goals scored
54.68% of the shots on target being goals. That is still more than half!


The supporters of David de Gea always say that his greatest attribute is his shot-stopping ability.


What shot-stopping ability?
 
I think a hammering is more to do with team play then one particular individual.

Not sure i get this constant need to scapegoat certain players.
 
Champ said:
I think a hammering is more to do with team play then one particular individual.

Not sure i get this constant need to scapegoat certain players.
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Best time for people to jump on their hated players
 
The Oracle said:
Our hammerings last season (2021/2022):

Man Utd 0-5 Liverpool
8 attempts on target by Liverpool

Watford 4-1 Man Utd
7 attempts on target by Watford

Leicester 4-2 Man Utd
11 attempts on target by Leicester

Man City 4-1 Man Utd
10 attempts on target by City

Liverpool 4-0 Man Utd
5 attempts on target by Liverpool

Brighton 4-0 Man Utd
6 attempts on target by Brighton

47 attempts on target at David de Gea, 25 goals scored


Our hammerings so far this season (2022/2023):

Brentford 4-0 Man Utd
7 attempts on target by Brentford

Man City 6-3 Man Utd
10 attempts on target by City

Liverpool 7-0 Man Utd
8 attempts on target by Liverpool

25 attempts on target at David de Gea, 17 goals scored


Combined totals from last season’s hammerings, and this season’s hammerings:

72 attempts on target at David de Gea, 42 goals scored.
58.33% of the combined shots on target in the batterings have been goals, that is more than half!


Take out the hammering from Liverpool on Sunday, and the combined totals from the other hammerings read:

64 attempts on target at David de Gea, 35 goals scored
54.68% of the shots on target being goals. That is still more than half!


The supporters of David de Gea always say that his greatest attribute is his shot-stopping ability.


What shot-stopping ability?
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What a silly thread.

Now look at all the matches where he’s won us the game. You don’t have to go far. West Ham and Leicester were both games we should have lost if it wasn’t for De Gea pulling off unbelievable saves.

The bigger concern is why is he being exposed to 10, 11, 12 shots on target in those games.
 
I don’t know if it’s really relevant if he’s faced x shots and let in y or z goals - most of Pool’s goals were either world class finishes or incredibly lucky.

I do think some stats sites have percentages for keepers saving shots and if they’re performing above or below expectations though and DDG is usually about the middle of the pack.
 
That's certainly a wild way to use statistics.

Nothing new in other words.
 
Put another keeper in goal and for a lot of those game the score lines aren’t going to be too different. He’s had some poor moments in those games but you can’t blame him for the hammerings.
 
Last season De Gea had 8 (in 38) clean sheets, this season he has 10 (in 25), that means he must have improved massively.

Stats can be fun.
 
Another thread that shows Darwin’s law doesn’t always work.
 
My pitchfork is worn out from the Bruno thread. Can someone lend me theirs please thanks
 
I can't be bothered to watch those match highlights again (hint for someone else to do it and post their findings ;) ) so I don't know how many genuine mistakes have been there from him specifically but sometimes i do feel that he gives up a bit easily in some of our drubbings down the years. People will disagree but i thought the Gakpo second goal and the Firminho one were bad goalkeeping but not much he could do with the rest.

He's also had a lot of games where he's produced wonder performances, let's not forget that.
 
Need to look at other teams pastings and see their GKs %age of shots stopped.

I don't feel like if a team loses 5-0, it happens because the other team has 30 shots on target.

The amount of times its happened is more of a worry, but that's not a blame I place on the goalkeeper. There are plenty of factors there.
 
Chief123 said:
What a silly thread.

Now look at all the matches where he’s won us the game. You don’t have to go far. West Ham and Leicester were both games we should have lost if it wasn’t for De Gea pulling off unbelievable saves.

The bigger concern is why is he being exposed to 10, 11, 12 shots on target in those games.
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Ey? I was at the West Ham game, baffled that anyone can have the opinion that we would have lost that game if not for De Gea. He made some really good saves which is what you expect. He didn't make any absolutely unbelievable saves from shots that you always expect to go in, if not for the goalkeepers goal defying heroics.
 
I mean, if he wasn't a great shot stopper then Leicester would have been 3-0 up at half time a couple of weeks ago. Most of the goals we conceded against Pool were unpreventable.
 
I think you need to use post-shot xG rather than attempts made. Attempts doesn’t tell you anything about how difficult a task De Gea faced in those games.
 
Goalkeepers concede chances where even your grandma will score. More at 11.

Edit: because you like stats and apparently are unable to think about context, Liverpool broke the record for the number of times they entered our box in that game. Think it was 77.

Now, here's your homework, try to tell me why that's significant
 
Champ said:
I think a hammering is more to do with team play then one particular individual.

Not sure i get this constant need to scapegoat certain players.
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We have seen this often in the past, we have always had players who become the target for continuous attacks. Sometimes justified, sometimes not.
 
redcucumber said:
Ey? I was at the West Ham game, baffled that anyone can have the opinion that we would have lost that game if not for De Gea. He made some really good saves which is what you expect. He didn't make any absolutely unbelievable saves from shots that you always expect to go in, if not for the goalkeepers goal defying heroics.
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The unbelievable saves were more in reference to the Leciester game where De Gea stopped us from being 0-2 down with some great saves.

However even the West Ham game he made a big save against Antonio at a crucial point in the game.

The point is it is such a nothing argument to now target De Gea as the problem.
 
I've picked a random sample of our games since the World Cup:

Newcastle Neutral - 2 attempts on target by Newcastle
Leicester Home - 3
Leeds Away - 6
Nottingham Forest Away - 4
Bournemouth Home - 4
Wolves Away - 3
Nottingham Forest Home - 3

That is 25 shots on target, and De Gea saved 100% of them (unless defenders got a block in, can't be arsed checking). His shot-stopping ability is obviously very very good.
 
This particular thread isn’t a good way of measuring it, but De Gea’s shot stopping has been nothing special for several seasons now. He consistently underperforms what an average goalkeeper would be expected to save analytically. There’s maybe some argument he’s faced some clinical finishing over the last year, but that’s it. His supporters fawn over every save and forget every goal conceded.

https://fbref.com/en/players/7ba6d84e/David-de-Gea

Pretty sure he will be shown the door in the summer. A new contract for being anything other than the reserve keeper would be astonishing, but really United ought to be buying a new number one, and a talented number two, both in ETH’s style.
 
I didn't come away from the game thinking de gea had a bad game. As with a lot of our batterings he's often totally exposed. Like when salah is through in the middle of the goal and the ball sits up for him to volley it in off the bar at a billion miles an hour what are we expecting de gea to do. Or when the ball is pinged in off nunez head from 2 yards or an unmarked player puts a header in the far corner. He's not saving them is he? No one is.

I can't remember all the goals, I've blocked them from my mind, so I won't go on.
 
quadrant said:
I think you need to use post-shot xG rather than attempts made. Attempts doesn’t tell you anything about how difficult a task De Gea faced in those games.
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As per FBref:

Man Utd 0-5 Liverpool =4.4

Watford 4-1 Man Utd =2.6

Leicester 4-2 Man Utd =3.7

Man City 4-1 Man Utd =2.9

Liverpool 4-0 Man Utd =2.0

Brighton 4-0 Man Utd = 2.4

Brentford 4-0 Man Utd =2.3

Man City 6-3 Man Utd =3.1

Liverpool 7-0 Man Utd =3.9
 
Rightnr said:
Goalkeepers concede chances where even your grandma will score. More at 11.

Edit: because you like stats and apparently are unable to think about context, Liverpool broke the record for the number of times they entered our box in that game. Think it was 77.

Now, here's your homework, try to tell me why that's significant
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I don't know how the stat is measured or what the average number is but 77 seems like an extreme number.
 
quadrant said:
I think you need to use post-shot xG rather than attempts made. Attempts doesn’t tell you anything about how difficult a task De Gea faced in those games.
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Any idea on the Liverpool game?
 
I've just checked - if you consider those 42 goals only, he's got a shocking 0% shot stopping ratio.

Data selection bias, I'd think.
 
TMDaines said:
This particular thread isn’t a good way of measuring it, but De Gea’s shot stopping has been nothing special for several seasons now. He consistently underperforms what an average goalkeeper would be expected to save analytically. There’s maybe some argument he’s faced some clinical finishing over the last year, but that’s it. His supporters fawn over every save and forget every goal conceded.

https://fbref.com/en/players/7ba6d84e/David-de-Gea

Pretty sure he will be shown the door in the summer. A new contract for being anything other than the reserve keeper would be astonishing, but really United ought to be buying a new number one, and a talented number two, both in ETH’s style.
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I think this is the defining factor on what style ETH wants. What I mean is if he continues with DDG that means he is happy to continue with a transition style football, rather than a more measure controlling approach
 
12OunceEpilogue said:
I've picked a random sample of our games since the World Cup:

Newcastle Neutral - 2 attempts on target by Newcastle
Leicester Home - 3
Leeds Away - 6
Nottingham Forest Away - 4
Bournemouth Home - 4
Wolves Away - 3
Nottingham Forest Home - 3

That is 25 shots on target, and De Gea saved 100% of them (unless defenders got a block in, can't be arsed checking). His shot-stopping ability is obviously very very good.
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And with this...the thread has ended. Perfect response
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I have no idea how to put those stats in context. What is a “normal” % of goals from SoT?
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Well it doesn't take into account the quality of the chances, or the shots themselves so it's not necessarily a great stat on it's own.

Still, you can see save percentages for all the teams here, and for individual goalkeepers here.

Average save percentage would be 69.38% this season so 30.62% of shots on target result in a goal.
 
I hate to give this thread even more attention, but de Gee was not even close to the reason we got destroyed
 
Chief123 said:
What a silly thread.

Now look at all the matches where he’s won us the game. You don’t have to go far. West Ham and Leicester were both games we should have lost if it wasn’t for De Gea pulling off unbelievable saves.

The bigger concern is why is he being exposed to 10, 11, 12 shots on target in those games.
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Keepers are paid to make saves. There isn't a keeper in the league who hasn't made some good saves this season.

Shot stopping is judged over a season, or multiple seasons. He's under-performing his xGA this season. His shot stopping has been average if we're being very kind, below average if you take the seasons stats at face value.

It's the same story every season since 18/19 - his shot stopping is not even good.

He's lifting off past reputation. His last good season was 17/18.
 
The Oracle said:
Our hammerings last season (2021/2022):

Man Utd 0-5 Liverpool
8 attempts on target by Liverpool

Watford 4-1 Man Utd
7 attempts on target by Watford

Leicester 4-2 Man Utd
11 attempts on target by Leicester

Man City 4-1 Man Utd
10 attempts on target by City

Liverpool 4-0 Man Utd
5 attempts on target by Liverpool

Brighton 4-0 Man Utd
6 attempts on target by Brighton

47 attempts on target at David de Gea, 25 goals scored


Our hammerings so far this season (2022/2023):

Brentford 4-0 Man Utd
7 attempts on target by Brentford

Man City 6-3 Man Utd
10 attempts on target by City

Liverpool 7-0 Man Utd
8 attempts on target by Liverpool

25 attempts on target at David de Gea, 17 goals scored


Combined totals from last season’s hammerings, and this season’s hammerings:

72 attempts on target at David de Gea, 42 goals scored.
58.33% of the combined shots on target in the batterings have been goals, that is more than half!


Take out the hammering from Liverpool on Sunday, and the combined totals from the other hammerings read:

64 attempts on target at David de Gea, 35 goals scored
54.68% of the shots on target being goals. That is still more than half!


The supporters of David de Gea always say that his greatest attribute is his shot-stopping ability.


What shot-stopping ability?
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We scored 7 goals in that entire sample size, I guess that is also DDGs fault?
 
Irwin99 said:
I can't be bothered to watch those match highlights again (hint for someone else to do it and post their findings ;) ) so I don't know how many genuine mistakes have been there from him specifically but sometimes i do feel that he gives up a bit easily in some of our drubbings down the years. People will disagree but i thought the Gakpo second goal and the Firminho one were bad goalkeeping but not much he could do with the rest.

He's also had a lot of games where he's produced wonder performances, let's not forget that.
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I'm not a fan of DDG, haven't been for a long time. But those two goals are the only ones you could really say he probably should have done better on.
 
I’m alarmed that in a game where we conceded 7,5,4,6,6,5,6 and 4 goals, our goalkeeper conceded 7,5,4,6,6,5,6 and 4 goals.
 
Not that he had a huge hand in the Liverpool defeat but I’m sick of him and have been for years.

He plays shit 90% of the time then pulls off a world class save from the goal kick he just kicked straight to the opposition player so you forget all about it.
 
redcucumber said:
Ey? I was at the West Ham game, baffled that anyone can have the opinion that we would have lost that game if not for De Gea. He made some really good saves which is what you expect. He didn't make any absolutely unbelievable saves from shots that you always expect to go in, if not for the goalkeepers goal defying heroics.
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People using saves like the one against West Ham is exactly the reason why it's difficult to discuss de Get with some of our fans. Those were good saves, but the kind of saves every decent goalkeeper would save, actually if he conceded any of those two shots against Antonio I think I would blame the keeper because the shots were quite shite, especially the first one for the one on one situation, he delayed and delayed and then fluffed the ball and shot straight at the keeper, đe Gea didn't even do anything except stood on his feet and made himself big.
 
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